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  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,681 Standard Supporter
    Don't illegally enter the country and all there problems are solved!
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,725 Founders Club
  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,839
    Yep it's terrible and they should be ashamed.

    Concentration camp label is a distraction from these real issues.
  • allpurpleallgold
    allpurpleallgold Member Posts: 8,771
    dnc said:

    Yep it's terrible and they should be ashamed.

    Concentration camp label is a distraction from these real issues.

    You’re the one distracting from the fact that we have textbook definition concentration camps.

    I understand that what they are doesn’t match in your head with the words concentration camp but you are wrong. Literally, by definition, you are wrong.

    Having shitty conditions for detainees is horrible. Accepting that we have concentration camps in America because we’re not gassing people is dangerous.

    Do one thing for me, really try and be honest with yourself about this, if AOC said “yes, that’s the definition but it’s not what I feel when I hear the words so it’s wrong” what would your reaction be?
  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,839

    dnc said:

    Yep it's terrible and they should be ashamed.

    Concentration camp label is a distraction from these real issues.

    You’re the one distracting from the fact that we have textbook definition concentration camps.

    I understand that what they are doesn’t match in your head with the words concentration camp but you are wrong. Literally, by definition, you are wrong.

    Having shitty conditions for detainees is horrible. Accepting that we have concentration camps in America because we’re not gassing people is dangerous.

    Do one thing for me, really try and be honest with yourself about this, if AOC said “yes, that’s the definition but it’s not what I feel when I hear the words so it’s wrong” what would your reaction be?
    If someone tried to apply a textbook definition to something she was saying when she was using what the whole country understands the phrase to mean I'd defend her. I've defended her more than once. I don't hate her like some do.
  • allpurpleallgold
    allpurpleallgold Member Posts: 8,771
    But it’s not the whole country. I’ll accept that you would defend that but, dude, it’s not the whole country. And the only way you make it “everyone” is by dismissing those, like me, that disagree.
  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,839

    But it’s not the whole country. I’ll accept that you would defend that but, dude, it’s not the whole country. And the only way you make it “everyone” is by dismissing those, like me, that disagree.

    But you only disagree because of what you've been taught in the last 48 hours, yes? Had this not been brought up did you honestly think differently?
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,681 Standard Supporter

    dnc said:

    Yep it's terrible and they should be ashamed.

    Concentration camp label is a distraction from these real issues.

    You’re the one distracting from the fact that we have textbook definition concentration camps.

    I understand that what they are doesn’t match in your head with the words concentration camp but you are wrong. Literally, by definition, you are wrong.

    Having shitty conditions for detainees is horrible. Accepting that we have concentration camps in America because we’re not gassing people is dangerous.

    Do one thing for me, really try and be honest with yourself about this, if AOC said “yes, that’s the definition but it’s not what I feel when I hear the words so it’s wrong” what would your reaction be?
    Occasional Cortex too much?
  • allpurpleallgold
    allpurpleallgold Member Posts: 8,771
    dnc said:

    But it’s not the whole country. I’ll accept that you would defend that but, dude, it’s not the whole country. And the only way you make it “everyone” is by dismissing those, like me, that disagree.

    But you only disagree because of what you've been taught in the last 48 hours, yes? Had this not been brought up did you honestly think differently?
    In high school I had a Japanese teacher that was in an internment camp. I remember him talking about it (worth noting, I mocked him after the class because I was a shitty Mercer Island kid). If you had asked me last weekend if Japanese internment camps were concentration camps, I would have said “basically, yeah”. If you had asked me about the border, I think I would have asked for the definition of concentration camps.

    I will say, I viewed it like a prison. You can be treated well in prison, treated poorly in prison, treated horribly in prison and executed in prison. In all of those scenarios you’re always in prison. What’s being argued now is a clear distinction between concentration camps and death camps so yes the argument would include something I learned in the last 48 hours. I think it works either way though.

    I can’t make you believe me on what I hypothetically would have said but this is an article from 2012. This isn’t an overnight rash decision because we are so desperate to attack Trump.

    https://www.npr.org/sections/publiceditor/2012/02/10/146691773/euphemisms-concentration-camps-and-the-japanese-internment

    That even has your argument in it, that saying concentration camps evokes images of Nazi atrocities. It’s been an argument, it didn’t become one when AOC said it. It’s not the whole country that agrees with you.
  • Pitchfork51
    Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,662
  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,017
    You are a little rhetoric machine aren't you?

    At least you fit in well in the Tug.
  • Pitchfork51
    Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,662
    We must round up all the venezuelan women. I will volunteer to be in the camp in protest
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183

    dnc said:

    Yep it's terrible and they should be ashamed.

    Concentration camp label is a distraction from these real issues.

    You’re the one distracting from the fact that we have textbook definition concentration camps.

    I understand that what they are doesn’t match in your head with the words concentration camp but you are wrong. Literally, by definition, you are wrong.

    Having shitty conditions for detainees is horrible. Accepting that we have concentration camps in America because we’re not gassing people is dangerous.

    Do one thing for me, really try and be honest with yourself about this, if AOC said “yes, that’s the definition but it’s not what I feel when I hear the words so it’s wrong” what would your reaction be?
    Can you show me the textbook that says a "concentration camp" is a place you can leave whenever you choose to leave? Where's that text book?
  • greenblood
    greenblood Member Posts: 14,559
    edited June 2019
    Where do they keep the gas chambers, I mean showers?

    Yeah they need to provide some basic stuff. But come on, concentration camps? APAG needs to read a history book.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,725 Founders Club
    What's the solution?

    We know AOC wants to abolish ICE

    She wants camp Obama closed

    Can we say she wants open borders yet?

  • Bendintheriver
    Bendintheriver Member Posts: 7,002
    SFGbob said:

    dnc said:

    Yep it's terrible and they should be ashamed.

    Concentration camp label is a distraction from these real issues.

    You’re the one distracting from the fact that we have textbook definition concentration camps.

    I understand that what they are doesn’t match in your head with the words concentration camp but you are wrong. Literally, by definition, you are wrong.

    Having shitty conditions for detainees is horrible. Accepting that we have concentration camps in America because we’re not gassing people is dangerous.

    Do one thing for me, really try and be honest with yourself about this, if AOC said “yes, that’s the definition but it’s not what I feel when I hear the words so it’s wrong” what would your reaction be?
    Can you show me the textbook that says a "concentration camp" is a place you can leave whenever you choose to leave? Where's that text book?
    They can't excuse that fact away without looking like idiots, so they will never respond to you.
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183

    SFGbob said:

    dnc said:

    Yep it's terrible and they should be ashamed.

    Concentration camp label is a distraction from these real issues.

    You’re the one distracting from the fact that we have textbook definition concentration camps.

    I understand that what they are doesn’t match in your head with the words concentration camp but you are wrong. Literally, by definition, you are wrong.

    Having shitty conditions for detainees is horrible. Accepting that we have concentration camps in America because we’re not gassing people is dangerous.

    Do one thing for me, really try and be honest with yourself about this, if AOC said “yes, that’s the definition but it’s not what I feel when I hear the words so it’s wrong” what would your reaction be?
    Can you show me the textbook that says a "concentration camp" is a place you can leave whenever you choose to leave? Where's that text book?
    They can't excuse that fact away without looking like idiots, so they will never respond to you.
    It's an affliction most liberals have.
  • pawz
    pawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 22,427 Founders Club
    Speaking of concentration camps & history books., I'm literally coming to the end of the book The Rise and the Fall of the Third Reich. I'm in the throes of reading about concentration camps.

    Concentration camps are designed to kill. Period. Whether it's by efficient means (gas chamber) or working people to death via slave labor, there is only one intent. Extermination.

    Maybe it's time to take a walk around Auchwitz or Dachau for some perspective.
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183
    pawz said:

    Speaking of concentration camps & history books., I'm literally coming to the end of the book The Rise and the Fall of the Third Reich. I'm in the throes of reading about concentration camps.

    Concentration camps are designed to kill. Period. Whether it's by efficient means (gas chamber) or working people to death via slave labor, there is only one intent. Extermination.

    Maybe it's time to take a walk around Auchwitz or Dachau for some perspective.

    Did you know the Jews chose to go to the "Concentration camps" and could have left any time they wanted?
  • MisterEm
    MisterEm Member Posts: 6,685
    pawz said:

    Speaking of concentration camps & history books., I'm literally coming to the end of the book The Rise and the Fall of the Third Reich. I'm in the throes of reading about concentration camps.

    Concentration camps are designed to kill. Period. Whether it's by efficient means (gas chamber) or working people to death via slave labor, there is only one intent. Extermination.

    Maybe it's time to take a walk around Auchwitz or Dachau for some perspective.

    Not enough chins to spread your way.

    Read it at 13 or 14 for the first time. Still pick it up and start reading from anywhere. Absolutely fascinating, even after 23 times.

    Top 3 book for me.
  • HardlyClothed
    HardlyClothed Member Posts: 937
    pawz said:

    Speaking of concentration camps & history books., I'm literally coming to the end of the book The Rise and the Fall of the Third Reich. I'm in the throes of reading about concentration camps.

    Concentration camps are designed to kill. Period. Whether it's by efficient means (gas chamber) or working people to death via slave labor, there is only one intent. Extermination.

    Maybe it's time to take a walk around Auchwitz or Dachau for some perspective.

    Death camps are designed to kill. Concentration camps are designed to hold indefinitely without due process. No one is saying ICE is running “death” or “extermination” camps, although people seem to be dying in their custody frequently.
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    What's the solution?

    We know AOC wants to abolish ICE

    She wants camp Obama closed

    Can we say she wants open borders yet?

    Literally no one (except CD) wants open borders race. HTH
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183

    pawz said:

    Speaking of concentration camps & history books., I'm literally coming to the end of the book The Rise and the Fall of the Third Reich. I'm in the throes of reading about concentration camps.

    Concentration camps are designed to kill. Period. Whether it's by efficient means (gas chamber) or working people to death via slave labor, there is only one intent. Extermination.

    Maybe it's time to take a walk around Auchwitz or Dachau for some perspective.

    Death camps are designed to kill. Concentration camps are designed to hold indefinitely without due process. No one is saying ICE is running “death” or “extermination” camps, although people seem to be dying in their custody frequently.
    Isn't the reason they are being held in these "concentration camps" so that they can receive due process on their asylum claims?

    What do you suggest we do with these people, just let them all in? Do you have any answers or are you just letting us all know that these "concentration camps" make your snatch hurt?
  • Kaepsknee
    Kaepsknee Member Posts: 14,913
    It's almost like we are giving incentives to not jump our border illegally.

    Democrats put the word out in Central America that everybody will get in if they come.

    Republicans are saying that isn't the case with actions.

    Now maybe they will think twice before trying to hop our fences.
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    SFGbob said:

    pawz said:

    Speaking of concentration camps & history books., I'm literally coming to the end of the book The Rise and the Fall of the Third Reich. I'm in the throes of reading about concentration camps.

    Concentration camps are designed to kill. Period. Whether it's by efficient means (gas chamber) or working people to death via slave labor, there is only one intent. Extermination.

    Maybe it's time to take a walk around Auchwitz or Dachau for some perspective.

    Death camps are designed to kill. Concentration camps are designed to hold indefinitely without due process. No one is saying ICE is running “death” or “extermination” camps, although people seem to be dying in their custody frequently.
    Isn't the reason they are being held in these "concentration camps" so that they can receive due process on their asylum claims?

    What do you suggest we do with these people, just let them all in? Do you have any answers or are you just letting us all know that these "concentration camps" make your snatch hurt?
    Or the simple idea of treating them in a humane way until due process is complete. Fuck Bob, it's not always black and white. Idiot.
  • Kaepsknee
    Kaepsknee Member Posts: 14,913

    pawz said:

    Speaking of concentration camps & history books., I'm literally coming to the end of the book The Rise and the Fall of the Third Reich. I'm in the throes of reading about concentration camps.

    Concentration camps are designed to kill. Period. Whether it's by efficient means (gas chamber) or working people to death via slave labor, there is only one intent. Extermination.

    Maybe it's time to take a walk around Auchwitz or Dachau for some perspective.

    Death camps are designed to kill. Concentration camps are designed to hold indefinitely without due process. No one is saying ICE is running “death” or “extermination” camps, although people seem to be dying in their custody frequently.


    Link?
  • dflea
    dflea Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 7,287 Swaye's Wigwam
    I don't care all that much what you call them, this is a bad fucking look for us.
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183
    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    pawz said:

    Speaking of concentration camps & history books., I'm literally coming to the end of the book The Rise and the Fall of the Third Reich. I'm in the throes of reading about concentration camps.

    Concentration camps are designed to kill. Period. Whether it's by efficient means (gas chamber) or working people to death via slave labor, there is only one intent. Extermination.

    Maybe it's time to take a walk around Auchwitz or Dachau for some perspective.

    Death camps are designed to kill. Concentration camps are designed to hold indefinitely without due process. No one is saying ICE is running “death” or “extermination” camps, although people seem to be dying in their custody frequently.
    Isn't the reason they are being held in these "concentration camps" so that they can receive due process on their asylum claims?

    What do you suggest we do with these people, just let them all in? Do you have any answers or are you just letting us all know that these "concentration camps" make your snatch hurt?
    Or the simple idea of treating them in a humane way until due process is complete. Fuck Bob, it's not always black and white. Idiot.
    I'll put you down as another person who has no answers but you do have a very, very sore snatch.