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Trump’s tax cuts barely boosted growth or wages and is not paying for itself

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  • Kaepsknee
    Kaepsknee Member Posts: 14,919

    SFGbob said:

    What the fuck happened to El Monte? I see him running that ignorant mouth of his in other threads why did he run away from this one?


    El Monte, how did I reduce myself to the level of Communist China? Come on Kunt, you made the claim back up that fucking big mouth of yours.

    It’s simple GayBob. Tariffs (taxes on US consumers) are the natural recourse for trumptards who are beaten like a drum by china. Since you can’t beat them you advocate joining them. You are no better than a chi com GayBob.
    It's quite easy for China to catch up, when they force an incoming business to share it's technology.

    China is trying to modernize from a manufacturing country to a tech country. Because of their enormous debt, they can't afford the A&D costs to do that, so they've had to steal it from foreign companies. You've completely jumped the shark when it comes to understanding what the trade war is actually about.
    Save the keystrokes.

    Trumptards! No skills! White Trash!!!! is all you are going to get from him on this and most subjects.
  • Kaepsknee
    Kaepsknee Member Posts: 14,919

    SFGbob said:

    What the fuck happened to El Monte? I see him running that ignorant mouth of his in other threads why did he run away from this one?


    El Monte, how did I reduce myself to the level of Communist China? Come on Kunt, you made the claim back up that fucking big mouth of yours.

    It’s simple GayBob. Tariffs (taxes on US consumers) are the natural recourse for trumptards who are beaten like a drum by china. Since you can’t beat them you advocate joining them. You are no better than a chi com GayBob.
    Sticking your head in the sand and refusing to acknowledge what is happening via state sponsored international corporate sabotage and market manipulation doesn't make it go away. I can't think of a major Economist that denies that it's a problem at this point. CDawg says so though so I guess that makes it all better.
    Do these same economists also advocate self-defeating, growth inhibiting tariffs?
    Some do, what are your preferred methods? More of the same that's been getting our lunch money stolen? That seems to be all you advocate for.

    I would have preferred that we revisited the TPP and created a vast free trade network with China's competitors.
    Some? Like leftist UC Irvine economist peter Navarro who currently advises trump?

    The US enjoys massive comparative economic advantages against China. Capitulating to domestic US populist-protectionist demagoguery will fail miserably, as is currently on display. Pulling out of tpp was another in a sequence of horribly botched trump policy changes. Ultimately the force of change will come from continued Innovative dominance, and commitment to leading a rules-based trading system. Reducing ourselves to chi com levels through tariffs in the name of supporting obsolescence, incompetence and uncompetitiveness is the trump’s road to ruin.
    We are the ones that are developing the innovative dominance and China steals it with no penalty. How is this sustainable? And how is this "rules based"?
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,188
    salemcoog said:

    SFGbob said:

    What the fuck happened to El Monte? I see him running that ignorant mouth of his in other threads why did he run away from this one?


    El Monte, how did I reduce myself to the level of Communist China? Come on Kunt, you made the claim back up that fucking big mouth of yours.

    It’s simple GayBob. Tariffs (taxes on US consumers) are the natural recourse for trumptards who are beaten like a drum by china. Since you can’t beat them you advocate joining them. You are no better than a chi com GayBob.
    Sticking your head in the sand and refusing to acknowledge what is happening via state sponsored international corporate sabotage and market manipulation doesn't make it go away. I can't think of a major Economist that denies that it's a problem at this point. CDawg says so though so I guess that makes it all better.
    Do these same economists also advocate self-defeating, growth inhibiting tariffs?
    Some do, what are your preferred methods? More of the same that's been getting our lunch money stolen? That seems to be all you advocate for.

    I would have preferred that we revisited the TPP and created a vast free trade network with China's competitors.
    Some? Like leftist UC Irvine economist peter Navarro who currently advises trump?

    The US enjoys massive comparative economic advantages against China. Capitulating to domestic US populist-protectionist demagoguery will fail miserably, as is currently on display. Pulling out of tpp was another in a sequence of horribly botched trump policy changes. Ultimately the force of change will come from continued Innovative dominance, and commitment to leading a rules-based trading system. Reducing ourselves to chi com levels through tariffs in the name of supporting obsolescence, incompetence and uncompetitiveness is the trump’s road to ruin.
    We are the ones that are developing the innovative dominance and China steals it with no penalty. How is this sustainable? And how is this "rules based"?
    The Free Market at work!!!
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 38,583 Standard Supporter
    salemcoog said:

    SFGbob said:

    What the fuck happened to El Monte? I see him running that ignorant mouth of his in other threads why did he run away from this one?


    El Monte, how did I reduce myself to the level of Communist China? Come on Kunt, you made the claim back up that fucking big mouth of yours.

    It’s simple GayBob. Tariffs (taxes on US consumers) are the natural recourse for trumptards who are beaten like a drum by china. Since you can’t beat them you advocate joining them. You are no better than a chi com GayBob.
    It's quite easy for China to catch up, when they force an incoming business to share it's technology.

    China is trying to modernize from a manufacturing country to a tech country. Because of their enormous debt, they can't afford the A&D costs to do that, so they've had to steal it from foreign companies. You've completely jumped the shark when it comes to understanding what the trade war is actually about.
    Save the keystrokes.

    Trumptards! No skills! White Trash!!!! is all you are going to get from him on this and most subjects.
    I see him writhing in pain screaming "Mom, meatloaf!"
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 115,495 Founders Club
    GDS said:

    SFGbob said:

    What the fuck happened to El Monte? I see him running that ignorant mouth of his in other threads why did he run away from this one?


    El Monte, how did I reduce myself to the level of Communist China? Come on Kunt, you made the claim back up that fucking big mouth of yours.

    It’s simple GayBob. Tariffs (taxes on US consumers) are the natural recourse for trumptards who are beaten like a drum by china. Since you can’t beat them you advocate joining them. You are no better than a chi com GayBob.
    Sticking your head in the sand and refusing to acknowledge what is happening via state sponsored international corporate sabotage and market manipulation doesn't make it go away. I can't think of a major Economist that denies that it's a problem at this point. CDawg says so though so I guess that makes it all better.
    Do these same economists also advocate self-defeating, growth inhibiting tariffs?
    Some do, what are your preferred methods? More of the same that's been getting our lunch money stolen? That seems to be all you advocate for.

    I would have preferred that we revisited the TPP and created a vast free trade network with China's competitors.
    Nailed it - TPP had the strictest IP protections ever negotiated in a trade deal. It was put together specifically to counter China's IP theft. When we left the remaining countries stripped most of those IP protections we had insisted on and ratified it. Heck - now China may end up joining since those IP protections were stripped.
    We're the big dog. The tail doesn't wag the dog

    Don't be afraid to walk away and come back for a better deal

    China has robbed us blind while the globalists fret over deals and treaties that would allow China to keep doing it

    The world survived the US walking away from the climate change agreement. Our emissions went down, the world's went up and China was exempt anyway

    Doing what is in our best interests is what every other country does.
  • RedRocket
    RedRocket Member Posts: 1,527
    Why is the private sector blameless in all of this? None of these companies were forced into JVs with China. They go in there knowing the risks but decide that cost savings or access to Chinese market is worth it. Hacking is a similar situation. Build better IT security infrastructure if you don't want China stealing your IP.

    You dipshits are quick to place the onus on the individual when poor finanical choices are made. Where is the outrage at the private sector for not showing more responsibility here. China won't make any substantial concessions in future trade deals because of tariffs. Enforcement in China will always be lax. Worthless ding to the economy.
  • CirrhosisDawg
    CirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390

    GDS said:

    SFGbob said:

    What the fuck happened to El Monte? I see him running that ignorant mouth of his in other threads why did he run away from this one?


    El Monte, how did I reduce myself to the level of Communist China? Come on Kunt, you made the claim back up that fucking big mouth of yours.

    It’s simple GayBob. Tariffs (taxes on US consumers) are the natural recourse for trumptards who are beaten like a drum by china. Since you can’t beat them you advocate joining them. You are no better than a chi com GayBob.
    Sticking your head in the sand and refusing to acknowledge what is happening via state sponsored international corporate sabotage and market manipulation doesn't make it go away. I can't think of a major Economist that denies that it's a problem at this point. CDawg says so though so I guess that makes it all better.
    Do these same economists also advocate self-defeating, growth inhibiting tariffs?
    Some do, what are your preferred methods? More of the same that's been getting our lunch money stolen? That seems to be all you advocate for.

    I would have preferred that we revisited the TPP and created a vast free trade network with China's competitors.
    Nailed it - TPP had the strictest IP protections ever negotiated in a trade deal. It was put together specifically to counter China's IP theft. When we left the remaining countries stripped most of those IP protections we had insisted on and ratified it. Heck - now China may end up joining since those IP protections were stripped.
    We're the big dog. The tail doesn't wag the dog

    Don't be afraid to walk away and come back for a better deal

    China has robbed us blind while the globalists fret over deals and treaties that would allow China to keep doing it

    The world survived the US walking away from the climate change agreement. Our emissions went down, the world's went up and China was exempt anyway

    Doing what is in our best interests is what every other country does.
    Pay up then sucker.
    Heads up for you and all the other “free market-free trade” advocates here. Time for you to dissemble and rationalize tariffs with Mexico starting June 10. There goes trump’s precious new nafta. Mexico has been Robbing us blind too? Canada? Germany? I’m sure you can explain why US consumers need to protect you from your own incompetence.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 115,495 Founders Club

    GDS said:

    SFGbob said:

    What the fuck happened to El Monte? I see him running that ignorant mouth of his in other threads why did he run away from this one?


    El Monte, how did I reduce myself to the level of Communist China? Come on Kunt, you made the claim back up that fucking big mouth of yours.

    It’s simple GayBob. Tariffs (taxes on US consumers) are the natural recourse for trumptards who are beaten like a drum by china. Since you can’t beat them you advocate joining them. You are no better than a chi com GayBob.
    Sticking your head in the sand and refusing to acknowledge what is happening via state sponsored international corporate sabotage and market manipulation doesn't make it go away. I can't think of a major Economist that denies that it's a problem at this point. CDawg says so though so I guess that makes it all better.
    Do these same economists also advocate self-defeating, growth inhibiting tariffs?
    Some do, what are your preferred methods? More of the same that's been getting our lunch money stolen? That seems to be all you advocate for.

    I would have preferred that we revisited the TPP and created a vast free trade network with China's competitors.
    Nailed it - TPP had the strictest IP protections ever negotiated in a trade deal. It was put together specifically to counter China's IP theft. When we left the remaining countries stripped most of those IP protections we had insisted on and ratified it. Heck - now China may end up joining since those IP protections were stripped.
    We're the big dog. The tail doesn't wag the dog

    Don't be afraid to walk away and come back for a better deal

    China has robbed us blind while the globalists fret over deals and treaties that would allow China to keep doing it

    The world survived the US walking away from the climate change agreement. Our emissions went down, the world's went up and China was exempt anyway

    Doing what is in our best interests is what every other country does.
    Pay up then sucker.
    Heads up for you and all the other “free market-free trade” advocates here. Time for you to dissemble and rationalize tariffs with Mexico starting June 10. There goes trump’s precious new nafta. Mexico has been Robbing us blind too? Canada? Germany? I’m sure you can explain why US consumers need to protect you from your own incompetence.
    Ok
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 115,495 Founders Club
    Isn't it glaringly obvious that @CirrhosisDawg is feeling pain from losing his China shit and is the one that needs an uneven and unfair playing field to survive in whatever sweat shop he is running in El Monte?

    I'm for America. I'm feeling no pain. My business is up and my taxes are down. That gets @CirrhosisDawg squealing like a pig. And I love it

    America First bitch
  • CirrhosisDawg
    CirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390

    Isn't it glaringly obvious that @CirrhosisDawg is feeling pain from losing his China shit and is the one that needs an uneven and unfair playing field to survive in whatever sweat shop he is running in El Monte?

    I'm for America. I'm feeling no pain. My business is up and my taxes are down. That gets @CirrhosisDawg squealing like a pig. And I love it

    America First bitch

    Sure you are.