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Trump’s tax cuts barely boosted growth or wages and is not paying for itself

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  • KaepskneeKaepsknee Member Posts: 14,885

    SFGbob said:

    What the fuck happened to El Monte? I see him running that ignorant mouth of his in other threads why did he run away from this one?


    El Monte, how did I reduce myself to the level of Communist China? Come on Kunt, you made the claim back up that fucking big mouth of yours.

    It’s simple GayBob. Tariffs (taxes on US consumers) are the natural recourse for trumptards who are beaten like a drum by china. Since you can’t beat them you advocate joining them. You are no better than a chi com GayBob.
    It's quite easy for China to catch up, when they force an incoming business to share it's technology.

    China is trying to modernize from a manufacturing country to a tech country. Because of their enormous debt, they can't afford the A&D costs to do that, so they've had to steal it from foreign companies. You've completely jumped the shark when it comes to understanding what the trade war is actually about.
    Save the keystrokes.

    Trumptards! No skills! White Trash!!!! is all you are going to get from him on this and most subjects.
  • KaepskneeKaepsknee Member Posts: 14,885

    SFGbob said:

    What the fuck happened to El Monte? I see him running that ignorant mouth of his in other threads why did he run away from this one?


    El Monte, how did I reduce myself to the level of Communist China? Come on Kunt, you made the claim back up that fucking big mouth of yours.

    It’s simple GayBob. Tariffs (taxes on US consumers) are the natural recourse for trumptards who are beaten like a drum by china. Since you can’t beat them you advocate joining them. You are no better than a chi com GayBob.
    Sticking your head in the sand and refusing to acknowledge what is happening via state sponsored international corporate sabotage and market manipulation doesn't make it go away. I can't think of a major Economist that denies that it's a problem at this point. CDawg says so though so I guess that makes it all better.
    Do these same economists also advocate self-defeating, growth inhibiting tariffs?
    Some do, what are your preferred methods? More of the same that's been getting our lunch money stolen? That seems to be all you advocate for.

    I would have preferred that we revisited the TPP and created a vast free trade network with China's competitors.
    Some? Like leftist UC Irvine economist peter Navarro who currently advises trump?

    The US enjoys massive comparative economic advantages against China. Capitulating to domestic US populist-protectionist demagoguery will fail miserably, as is currently on display. Pulling out of tpp was another in a sequence of horribly botched trump policy changes. Ultimately the force of change will come from continued Innovative dominance, and commitment to leading a rules-based trading system. Reducing ourselves to chi com levels through tariffs in the name of supporting obsolescence, incompetence and uncompetitiveness is the trump’s road to ruin.
    We are the ones that are developing the innovative dominance and China steals it with no penalty. How is this sustainable? And how is this "rules based"?
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 32,211
    salemcoog said:

    SFGbob said:

    What the fuck happened to El Monte? I see him running that ignorant mouth of his in other threads why did he run away from this one?


    El Monte, how did I reduce myself to the level of Communist China? Come on Kunt, you made the claim back up that fucking big mouth of yours.

    It’s simple GayBob. Tariffs (taxes on US consumers) are the natural recourse for trumptards who are beaten like a drum by china. Since you can’t beat them you advocate joining them. You are no better than a chi com GayBob.
    Sticking your head in the sand and refusing to acknowledge what is happening via state sponsored international corporate sabotage and market manipulation doesn't make it go away. I can't think of a major Economist that denies that it's a problem at this point. CDawg says so though so I guess that makes it all better.
    Do these same economists also advocate self-defeating, growth inhibiting tariffs?
    Some do, what are your preferred methods? More of the same that's been getting our lunch money stolen? That seems to be all you advocate for.

    I would have preferred that we revisited the TPP and created a vast free trade network with China's competitors.
    Some? Like leftist UC Irvine economist peter Navarro who currently advises trump?

    The US enjoys massive comparative economic advantages against China. Capitulating to domestic US populist-protectionist demagoguery will fail miserably, as is currently on display. Pulling out of tpp was another in a sequence of horribly botched trump policy changes. Ultimately the force of change will come from continued Innovative dominance, and commitment to leading a rules-based trading system. Reducing ourselves to chi com levels through tariffs in the name of supporting obsolescence, incompetence and uncompetitiveness is the trump’s road to ruin.
    We are the ones that are developing the innovative dominance and China steals it with no penalty. How is this sustainable? And how is this "rules based"?
    The Free Market at work!!!
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 33,850 Standard Supporter
    salemcoog said:

    SFGbob said:

    What the fuck happened to El Monte? I see him running that ignorant mouth of his in other threads why did he run away from this one?


    El Monte, how did I reduce myself to the level of Communist China? Come on Kunt, you made the claim back up that fucking big mouth of yours.

    It’s simple GayBob. Tariffs (taxes on US consumers) are the natural recourse for trumptards who are beaten like a drum by china. Since you can’t beat them you advocate joining them. You are no better than a chi com GayBob.
    It's quite easy for China to catch up, when they force an incoming business to share it's technology.

    China is trying to modernize from a manufacturing country to a tech country. Because of their enormous debt, they can't afford the A&D costs to do that, so they've had to steal it from foreign companies. You've completely jumped the shark when it comes to understanding what the trade war is actually about.
    Save the keystrokes.

    Trumptards! No skills! White Trash!!!! is all you are going to get from him on this and most subjects.
    I see him writhing in pain screaming "Mom, meatloaf!"
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 105,807 Founders Club
    GDS said:

    SFGbob said:

    What the fuck happened to El Monte? I see him running that ignorant mouth of his in other threads why did he run away from this one?


    El Monte, how did I reduce myself to the level of Communist China? Come on Kunt, you made the claim back up that fucking big mouth of yours.

    It’s simple GayBob. Tariffs (taxes on US consumers) are the natural recourse for trumptards who are beaten like a drum by china. Since you can’t beat them you advocate joining them. You are no better than a chi com GayBob.
    Sticking your head in the sand and refusing to acknowledge what is happening via state sponsored international corporate sabotage and market manipulation doesn't make it go away. I can't think of a major Economist that denies that it's a problem at this point. CDawg says so though so I guess that makes it all better.
    Do these same economists also advocate self-defeating, growth inhibiting tariffs?
    Some do, what are your preferred methods? More of the same that's been getting our lunch money stolen? That seems to be all you advocate for.

    I would have preferred that we revisited the TPP and created a vast free trade network with China's competitors.
    Nailed it - TPP had the strictest IP protections ever negotiated in a trade deal. It was put together specifically to counter China's IP theft. When we left the remaining countries stripped most of those IP protections we had insisted on and ratified it. Heck - now China may end up joining since those IP protections were stripped.
    We're the big dog. The tail doesn't wag the dog

    Don't be afraid to walk away and come back for a better deal

    China has robbed us blind while the globalists fret over deals and treaties that would allow China to keep doing it

    The world survived the US walking away from the climate change agreement. Our emissions went down, the world's went up and China was exempt anyway

    Doing what is in our best interests is what every other country does.
  • RedRocketRedRocket Member Posts: 1,527
    Why is the private sector blameless in all of this? None of these companies were forced into JVs with China. They go in there knowing the risks but decide that cost savings or access to Chinese market is worth it. Hacking is a similar situation. Build better IT security infrastructure if you don't want China stealing your IP.

    You dipshits are quick to place the onus on the individual when poor finanical choices are made. Where is the outrage at the private sector for not showing more responsibility here. China won't make any substantial concessions in future trade deals because of tariffs. Enforcement in China will always be lax. Worthless ding to the economy.
  • CirrhosisDawgCirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390

    GDS said:

    SFGbob said:

    What the fuck happened to El Monte? I see him running that ignorant mouth of his in other threads why did he run away from this one?


    El Monte, how did I reduce myself to the level of Communist China? Come on Kunt, you made the claim back up that fucking big mouth of yours.

    It’s simple GayBob. Tariffs (taxes on US consumers) are the natural recourse for trumptards who are beaten like a drum by china. Since you can’t beat them you advocate joining them. You are no better than a chi com GayBob.
    Sticking your head in the sand and refusing to acknowledge what is happening via state sponsored international corporate sabotage and market manipulation doesn't make it go away. I can't think of a major Economist that denies that it's a problem at this point. CDawg says so though so I guess that makes it all better.
    Do these same economists also advocate self-defeating, growth inhibiting tariffs?
    Some do, what are your preferred methods? More of the same that's been getting our lunch money stolen? That seems to be all you advocate for.

    I would have preferred that we revisited the TPP and created a vast free trade network with China's competitors.
    Nailed it - TPP had the strictest IP protections ever negotiated in a trade deal. It was put together specifically to counter China's IP theft. When we left the remaining countries stripped most of those IP protections we had insisted on and ratified it. Heck - now China may end up joining since those IP protections were stripped.
    We're the big dog. The tail doesn't wag the dog

    Don't be afraid to walk away and come back for a better deal

    China has robbed us blind while the globalists fret over deals and treaties that would allow China to keep doing it

    The world survived the US walking away from the climate change agreement. Our emissions went down, the world's went up and China was exempt anyway

    Doing what is in our best interests is what every other country does.
    Pay up then sucker.
    Heads up for you and all the other “free market-free trade” advocates here. Time for you to dissemble and rationalize tariffs with Mexico starting June 10. There goes trump’s precious new nafta. Mexico has been Robbing us blind too? Canada? Germany? I’m sure you can explain why US consumers need to protect you from your own incompetence.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 105,807 Founders Club

    GDS said:

    SFGbob said:

    What the fuck happened to El Monte? I see him running that ignorant mouth of his in other threads why did he run away from this one?


    El Monte, how did I reduce myself to the level of Communist China? Come on Kunt, you made the claim back up that fucking big mouth of yours.

    It’s simple GayBob. Tariffs (taxes on US consumers) are the natural recourse for trumptards who are beaten like a drum by china. Since you can’t beat them you advocate joining them. You are no better than a chi com GayBob.
    Sticking your head in the sand and refusing to acknowledge what is happening via state sponsored international corporate sabotage and market manipulation doesn't make it go away. I can't think of a major Economist that denies that it's a problem at this point. CDawg says so though so I guess that makes it all better.
    Do these same economists also advocate self-defeating, growth inhibiting tariffs?
    Some do, what are your preferred methods? More of the same that's been getting our lunch money stolen? That seems to be all you advocate for.

    I would have preferred that we revisited the TPP and created a vast free trade network with China's competitors.
    Nailed it - TPP had the strictest IP protections ever negotiated in a trade deal. It was put together specifically to counter China's IP theft. When we left the remaining countries stripped most of those IP protections we had insisted on and ratified it. Heck - now China may end up joining since those IP protections were stripped.
    We're the big dog. The tail doesn't wag the dog

    Don't be afraid to walk away and come back for a better deal

    China has robbed us blind while the globalists fret over deals and treaties that would allow China to keep doing it

    The world survived the US walking away from the climate change agreement. Our emissions went down, the world's went up and China was exempt anyway

    Doing what is in our best interests is what every other country does.
    Pay up then sucker.
    Heads up for you and all the other “free market-free trade” advocates here. Time for you to dissemble and rationalize tariffs with Mexico starting June 10. There goes trump’s precious new nafta. Mexico has been Robbing us blind too? Canada? Germany? I’m sure you can explain why US consumers need to protect you from your own incompetence.
    Ok
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 105,807 Founders Club
    Isn't it glaringly obvious that @CirrhosisDawg is feeling pain from losing his China shit and is the one that needs an uneven and unfair playing field to survive in whatever sweat shop he is running in El Monte?

    I'm for America. I'm feeling no pain. My business is up and my taxes are down. That gets @CirrhosisDawg squealing like a pig. And I love it

    America First bitch
  • CirrhosisDawgCirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390

    Isn't it glaringly obvious that @CirrhosisDawg is feeling pain from losing his China shit and is the one that needs an uneven and unfair playing field to survive in whatever sweat shop he is running in El Monte?

    I'm for America. I'm feeling no pain. My business is up and my taxes are down. That gets @CirrhosisDawg squealing like a pig. And I love it

    America First bitch

    Sure you are.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 105,807 Founders Club
    RedRocket said:

    Why is the private sector blameless in all of this? None of these companies were forced into JVs with China. They go in there knowing the risks but decide that cost savings or access to Chinese market is worth it. Hacking is a similar situation. Build better IT security infrastructure if you don't want China stealing your IP.

    You dipshits are quick to place the onus on the individual when poor finanical choices are made. Where is the outrage at the private sector for not showing more responsibility here. China won't make any substantial concessions in future trade deals because of tariffs. Enforcement in China will always be lax. Worthless ding to the economy.

    The private sector is like the scorpion. Its going to do what it can to maximize profits because that's who it is. My friends on the left tell me the government is required to save them from their worst instincts.

    If that's not the case then lets do REAL free markets and let the winners win.

    China will submit when they think they have to because we are serious. Not when our politicians and leaders are taking cash from them to sell us out

    China needs us more than we need them. A market of a billion peasants is an illusion.
  • CirrhosisDawgCirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390

    RedRocket said:

    Why is the private sector blameless in all of this? None of these companies were forced into JVs with China. They go in there knowing the risks but decide that cost savings or access to Chinese market is worth it. Hacking is a similar situation. Build better IT security infrastructure if you don't want China stealing your IP.

    You dipshits are quick to place the onus on the individual when poor finanical choices are made. Where is the outrage at the private sector for not showing more responsibility here. China won't make any substantial concessions in future trade deals because of tariffs. Enforcement in China will always be lax. Worthless ding to the economy.

    The private sector is like the scorpion. Its going to do what it can to maximize profits because that's who it is. My friends on the left tell me the government is required to save them from their worst instincts.

    If that's not the case then lets do REAL free markets and let the winners win.

    China will submit when they think they have to because we are serious. Not when our politicians and leaders are taking cash from them to sell us out

    China needs us more than we need them. A market of a billion peasants is an illusion.
    See? Now dissemble and rationalize about tariffs with Mexico.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 105,807 Founders Club

    RedRocket said:

    Why is the private sector blameless in all of this? None of these companies were forced into JVs with China. They go in there knowing the risks but decide that cost savings or access to Chinese market is worth it. Hacking is a similar situation. Build better IT security infrastructure if you don't want China stealing your IP.

    You dipshits are quick to place the onus on the individual when poor finanical choices are made. Where is the outrage at the private sector for not showing more responsibility here. China won't make any substantial concessions in future trade deals because of tariffs. Enforcement in China will always be lax. Worthless ding to the economy.

    The private sector is like the scorpion. Its going to do what it can to maximize profits because that's who it is. My friends on the left tell me the government is required to save them from their worst instincts.

    If that's not the case then lets do REAL free markets and let the winners win.

    China will submit when they think they have to because we are serious. Not when our politicians and leaders are taking cash from them to sell us out

    China needs us more than we need them. A market of a billion peasants is an illusion.
    See? Now dissemble and rationalize about tariffs with Mexico.
    Why?

    Does it effect the illegals in your basement?
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 105,807 Founders Club
    Israel’s Communications Ministry is in consultation with the defense establishment prior to its expected launch of a tender for the country’s 5th generation (5G) cellular phone network, following worldwide concern over the activities of Chinese companies.

    Amid bans and allegations of espionage against Chinese telecoms giant Huawei, and wider concern over how Chinese companies could be used by Beijing, Israel will soon have to decide on whether it will allow the company to compete in the 5G tender.

    The Communications Ministry said it is in touch “with security elements as part of the administrative [preparation] work, [and] as part of the process of formulating a 5G tender. Security elements are activating their various authority in line with the law, and in line with security considerations.”

    Huawei has been slapped with bans from carrying out 5G-related infrastructure work in the United States, Australia and New Zealand. Japan has also banned the company from supplying network equipment. Debates about potential bans are raging in Britain, Germany, Poland and other countries. Alarmed by prospects of espionage, the United States is applying heavy pressure on its European allies to avoid working with the company on 5G network construction.

    Harel Menashri, head of cyber department at the Holon Institute of Technology in Israel and a founder of the Shin Bet’s cyber division, said that Israel should wait to see how the Five Eyes alliance—comprised of the United States, Canada, the United Kingdom, Australia and New Zealand—proceed before making its own decision on whether to permit Huawei to take part in an Israeli 5G tender.

    “The Ministry of Communications is under very strong security regulation, and rightly so,” said Menashri.

    “China is a very important country,” he stated. “We should not stop doing business with China, but we should take very seriously the question of what we can and what we should not do. We must understand China’s activities.”

    Israel will likely closely monitor how the Five Eyes alliance will act regarding Huawei, he assessed. “The U.S. has also been very active in other countries, like Poland and Hungary to get them to stop using Chinese companies. America is heavily pressuring Germany to do the same,” said Menashri.

    According to a recent Wall Street Journal report, the United States has told Germany that a failure to heed its warning could result in damage to intelligence cooperation.

    “If I was making decisions, I’d say, let’s first look at what the others are doing,” added Menashri.

    Western states have been gathering intelligence on the Chinese company for years, based on the understanding that there is no separation in China between the government, private sector companies and civilian society.
  • dfleadflea Member Posts: 7,233
    Lotta cheerleading for higher taxes in this thread.

    Strange.
  • Pitchfork51Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 26,950
    edited May 2019
    dflea said:

    Lotta cheerleading for higher taxes in this thread.

    Strange.

    Speaking of strange, I need to hit the bar this weekend

    I found a good spot right next to 2 hospitals and it's nurses galore
  • dfleadflea Member Posts: 7,233

    dflea said:

    Lotta cheerleading for higher taxes in this thread.

    Strange.

    Speaking of strange, I need to hit the bar this weekend

    I found a good spot right next to 2 hospitals and it's nurses galore
    Excellent location for scouting talent. Good planning.
  • Pitchfork51Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 26,950
    dflea said:

    dflea said:

    Lotta cheerleading for higher taxes in this thread.

    Strange.

    Speaking of strange, I need to hit the bar this weekend

    I found a good spot right next to 2 hospitals and it's nurses galore
    Excellent location for scouting talent. Good planning.
    I found wisdom in old age
  • Pitchfork51Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 26,950
    edited May 2019

    Anyone who says tax cuts need to “pay for themselves” need to be kicked in the nuts and lit on fire. Fuck you.

    Or


    Go to the nurse bar


    Where they will kick you in the nuts for being a pussy dork

    What I'm hearing
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