Trump’s tax cuts barely boosted growth or wages and is not paying for itself
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Another lie by a democrat parrot:HHusky said:
Federal government employment was flat during the Obama years, but don't the facts fuck you up.Bendintheriver said:These numbers paint the picture. Obama was creating government jobs (for math challenged liberals that means higher taxes for everyone). Trump is creating private sector jobs which in comparison to Obama is a total turn around and a net positive which of course the article at top does not bother to discuss. The article is written as if we owe the government money because we get to keep more of our own. This only makes sense to idiotic democrats.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckdevore/2019/02/01/manufacturers-added-6-times-more-jobs-under-trump-than-under-obamas-last-2-years/#a114fe25635a
Looking at Trump’s first two years, the revised BLS data shows that more than two manufacturing jobs were added for every one job added in government at the federal, state, and local level. In contrast, under Obama, almost five government jobs were added for every one manufacturing job.
After revising its data for past periods, the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) reports that seasonally adjusted nonfarm employment grew by 5.1 million jobs in President Trump’s first full two years in office, a 3.5% increase. Private sector payrolls grew by 4.9 million, a 4.0% increase.
President Obama will set a record for the size of the basic federal workforce, leaving office with more than 1.4 million people collecting government salaries in the civilian agencies in 2017, according to the budget he delivered to Congress on Tuesday.
It’s a 10 percent jump from the time he took office in 2009
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/feb/9/federal-workers-hit-record-number-but-growth-slows/ -
They lie, it's what they do, it's who they are.Bendintheriver said:
Another lie by a democrat parrot:HHusky said:
Federal government employment was flat during the Obama years, but don't the facts fuck you up.Bendintheriver said:These numbers paint the picture. Obama was creating government jobs (for math challenged liberals that means higher taxes for everyone). Trump is creating private sector jobs which in comparison to Obama is a total turn around and a net positive which of course the article at top does not bother to discuss. The article is written as if we owe the government money because we get to keep more of our own. This only makes sense to idiotic democrats.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckdevore/2019/02/01/manufacturers-added-6-times-more-jobs-under-trump-than-under-obamas-last-2-years/#a114fe25635a
Looking at Trump’s first two years, the revised BLS data shows that more than two manufacturing jobs were added for every one job added in government at the federal, state, and local level. In contrast, under Obama, almost five government jobs were added for every one manufacturing job.
After revising its data for past periods, the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) reports that seasonally adjusted nonfarm employment grew by 5.1 million jobs in President Trump’s first full two years in office, a 3.5% increase. Private sector payrolls grew by 4.9 million, a 4.0% increase.
President Obama will set a record for the size of the basic federal workforce, leaving office with more than 1.4 million people collecting government salaries in the civilian agencies in 2017, according to the budget he delivered to Congress on Tuesday.
It’s a 10 percent jump from the time he took office in 2009
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/feb/9/federal-workers-hit-record-number-but-growth-slows/ -
[“In 2018, gross domestic product grew at 2.9 per cent, about the Congressional Budget Office’s projected rate published in 2017 before the tax cut. On the whole, the growth effects tend to show a relatively small (if any) first-year effect on the economy,” the report reads.
“Although growth rates cannot indicate the tax cut’s effects on GDP, they tend to rule out very large effects particularly in the short run.”]
Lol at this shit. "We haven't seen 5% GDP growth in the first quarter so the tax cuts have failed." This analysis is so obviously partisan hack job. Good luck selling it. -
Yeah, when you convert some jobs from military jobs to civilian jobs, you do change the composition of the workforce, but not the size. Reading is fundamental. That MSM Washington Times can be so misleading.Bendintheriver said:
Another lie by a democrat parrot:HHusky said:
Federal government employment was flat during the Obama years, but don't the facts fuck you up.Bendintheriver said:These numbers paint the picture. Obama was creating government jobs (for math challenged liberals that means higher taxes for everyone). Trump is creating private sector jobs which in comparison to Obama is a total turn around and a net positive which of course the article at top does not bother to discuss. The article is written as if we owe the government money because we get to keep more of our own. This only makes sense to idiotic democrats.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckdevore/2019/02/01/manufacturers-added-6-times-more-jobs-under-trump-than-under-obamas-last-2-years/#a114fe25635a
Looking at Trump’s first two years, the revised BLS data shows that more than two manufacturing jobs were added for every one job added in government at the federal, state, and local level. In contrast, under Obama, almost five government jobs were added for every one manufacturing job.
After revising its data for past periods, the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) reports that seasonally adjusted nonfarm employment grew by 5.1 million jobs in President Trump’s first full two years in office, a 3.5% increase. Private sector payrolls grew by 4.9 million, a 4.0% increase.
President Obama will set a record for the size of the basic federal workforce, leaving office with more than 1.4 million people collecting government salaries in the civilian agencies in 2017, according to the budget he delivered to Congress on Tuesday.
It’s a 10 percent jump from the time he took office in 2009
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/feb/9/federal-workers-hit-record-number-but-growth-slows/ -
What the fuck happened to El Monte? I see him running that ignorant mouth of his in other threads why did he run away from this one?
El Monte, how did I reduce myself to the level of Communist China? Come on Kunt, you made the claim back up that fucking big mouth of yours. -
It’s simple GayBob. Tariffs (taxes on US consumers) are the natural recourse for trumptards who are beaten like a drum by china. Since you can’t beat them you advocate joining them. You are no better than a chi com GayBob.SFGbob said:What the fuck happened to El Monte? I see him running that ignorant mouth of his in other threads why did he run away from this one?
El Monte, how did I reduce myself to the level of Communist China? Come on Kunt, you made the claim back up that fucking big mouth of yours. -
El Monte went with gibberish. So I've reduced myself to the level of Communist China because I don't think Chinese IP theft is part of the "free market" like you do.CirrhosisDawg said:
It’s simple GayBob. Tariffs (taxes on US consumers) are the natural recourse for trumptards who are beaten like a drum by china. Since you can’t beat them you advocate joining them. You are no better than a chi com GayBob.SFGbob said:What the fuck happened to El Monte? I see him running that ignorant mouth of his in other threads why did he run away from this one?
El Monte, how did I reduce myself to the level of Communist China? Come on Kunt, you made the claim back up that fucking big mouth of yours.
Logic only a Kunt could love. And now you see boys and girls why this Kunt is so hesitant to let go of the side of the kiddie pool.
Glug, glug El Monte. -
It's quite easy for China to catch up, when they force an incoming business to share it's technology.CirrhosisDawg said:
It’s simple GayBob. Tariffs (taxes on US consumers) are the natural recourse for trumptards who are beaten like a drum by china. Since you can’t beat them you advocate joining them. You are no better than a chi com GayBob.SFGbob said:What the fuck happened to El Monte? I see him running that ignorant mouth of his in other threads why did he run away from this one?
El Monte, how did I reduce myself to the level of Communist China? Come on Kunt, you made the claim back up that fucking big mouth of yours.
China is trying to modernize from a manufacturing country to a tech country. Because of their enormous debt, they can't afford the A&D costs to do that, so they've had to steal it from foreign companies. You've completely jumped the shark when it comes to understanding what the trade war is actually about. -
Tariffs are the protectionist recourse for hopelessly uncompetitive trumptards like you GayBob. Just own it.SFGbob said:
El Monte went with gibberish. So I've reduced myself to the level of Communist China because I don't think Chinese IP theft is part of the "free market" like you do.CirrhosisDawg said:
It’s simple GayBob. Tariffs (taxes on US consumers) are the natural recourse for trumptards who are beaten like a drum by china. Since you can’t beat them you advocate joining them. You are no better than a chi com GayBob.SFGbob said:What the fuck happened to El Monte? I see him running that ignorant mouth of his in other threads why did he run away from this one?
El Monte, how did I reduce myself to the level of Communist China? Come on Kunt, you made the claim back up that fucking big mouth of yours.
Logic only a Kunt could love. And now you see boys and girls why this Kunt is so hesitant to let go of the side of the kiddie pool.
Glug, glug El Monte. -
Sticking your head in the sand and refusing to acknowledge what is happening via state sponsored international corporate sabotage and market manipulation doesn't make it go away. I can't think of a major Economist that denies that it's a problem at this point. CDawg says so though so I guess that makes it all better.CirrhosisDawg said:
It’s simple GayBob. Tariffs (taxes on US consumers) are the natural recourse for trumptards who are beaten like a drum by china. Since you can’t beat them you advocate joining them. You are no better than a chi com GayBob.SFGbob said:What the fuck happened to El Monte? I see him running that ignorant mouth of his in other threads why did he run away from this one?
El Monte, how did I reduce myself to the level of Communist China? Come on Kunt, you made the claim back up that fucking big mouth of yours. -
Again, you are missing the pointCirrhosisDawg said:
Tariffs are the protectionist recourse for hopelessly uncompetitive trumptards like you GayBob. Just own it.SFGbob said:
El Monte went with gibberish. So I've reduced myself to the level of Communist China because I don't think Chinese IP theft is part of the "free market" like you do.CirrhosisDawg said:
It’s simple GayBob. Tariffs (taxes on US consumers) are the natural recourse for trumptards who are beaten like a drum by china. Since you can’t beat them you advocate joining them. You are no better than a chi com GayBob.SFGbob said:What the fuck happened to El Monte? I see him running that ignorant mouth of his in other threads why did he run away from this one?
El Monte, how did I reduce myself to the level of Communist China? Come on Kunt, you made the claim back up that fucking big mouth of yours.
Logic only a Kunt could love. And now you see boys and girls why this Kunt is so hesitant to let go of the side of the kiddie pool.
Glug, glug El Monte. -
Do these same economists also advocate self-defeating, growth inhibiting tariffs?UW_Doog_Bot said:
Sticking your head in the sand and refusing to acknowledge what is happening via state sponsored international corporate sabotage and market manipulation doesn't make it go away. I can't think of a major Economist that denies that it's a problem at this point. CDawg says so though so I guess that makes it all better.CirrhosisDawg said:
It’s simple GayBob. Tariffs (taxes on US consumers) are the natural recourse for trumptards who are beaten like a drum by china. Since you can’t beat them you advocate joining them. You are no better than a chi com GayBob.SFGbob said:What the fuck happened to El Monte? I see him running that ignorant mouth of his in other threads why did he run away from this one?
El Monte, how did I reduce myself to the level of Communist China? Come on Kunt, you made the claim back up that fucking big mouth of yours. -
Some do, what are your preferred methods? More of the same that's been getting our lunch money stolen? That seems to be all you advocate for.CirrhosisDawg said:
Do these same economists also advocate self-defeating, growth inhibiting tariffs?UW_Doog_Bot said:
Sticking your head in the sand and refusing to acknowledge what is happening via state sponsored international corporate sabotage and market manipulation doesn't make it go away. I can't think of a major Economist that denies that it's a problem at this point. CDawg says so though so I guess that makes it all better.CirrhosisDawg said:
It’s simple GayBob. Tariffs (taxes on US consumers) are the natural recourse for trumptards who are beaten like a drum by china. Since you can’t beat them you advocate joining them. You are no better than a chi com GayBob.SFGbob said:What the fuck happened to El Monte? I see him running that ignorant mouth of his in other threads why did he run away from this one?
El Monte, how did I reduce myself to the level of Communist China? Come on Kunt, you made the claim back up that fucking big mouth of yours.
I would have preferred that we revisited the TPP and created a vast free trade network with China's competitors. -
Because China still relies on manufacturing as the majority of their economy, tariffs is the most effective way to hit them. Does it cause collateral damage to our economy? a little bit. But the long term benefit outweighs a short term growth inhibitor.CirrhosisDawg said:
Do these same economists also advocate self-defeating, growth inhibiting tariffs?UW_Doog_Bot said:
Sticking your head in the sand and refusing to acknowledge what is happening via state sponsored international corporate sabotage and market manipulation doesn't make it go away. I can't think of a major Economist that denies that it's a problem at this point. CDawg says so though so I guess that makes it all better.CirrhosisDawg said:
It’s simple GayBob. Tariffs (taxes on US consumers) are the natural recourse for trumptards who are beaten like a drum by china. Since you can’t beat them you advocate joining them. You are no better than a chi com GayBob.SFGbob said:What the fuck happened to El Monte? I see him running that ignorant mouth of his in other threads why did he run away from this one?
El Monte, how did I reduce myself to the level of Communist China? Come on Kunt, you made the claim back up that fucking big mouth of yours.
Since you are so smart, do I need to wait another 2 years for you come up with an alternative approach to stop the technology theft occurring in China? Or would you rather continue with "Tarriffs are bad", because it's part of your liberal playbook? -
“Tariffs are bad” are part of the liberal playbook? Ronald Reagan is rolling over in his grave at how stupid trump has made the “conservative” movement.greenblood said:
Because China still relies on manufacturing as the majority of their economy, tariffs is the most effective way to hit them. Does it cause collateral damage to our economy? a little bit. But the long term benefit outweighs a short term growth inhibitor.CirrhosisDawg said:
Do these same economists also advocate self-defeating, growth inhibiting tariffs?UW_Doog_Bot said:
Sticking your head in the sand and refusing to acknowledge what is happening via state sponsored international corporate sabotage and market manipulation doesn't make it go away. I can't think of a major Economist that denies that it's a problem at this point. CDawg says so though so I guess that makes it all better.CirrhosisDawg said:
It’s simple GayBob. Tariffs (taxes on US consumers) are the natural recourse for trumptards who are beaten like a drum by china. Since you can’t beat them you advocate joining them. You are no better than a chi com GayBob.SFGbob said:What the fuck happened to El Monte? I see him running that ignorant mouth of his in other threads why did he run away from this one?
El Monte, how did I reduce myself to the level of Communist China? Come on Kunt, you made the claim back up that fucking big mouth of yours.
Since you are so smart, do I need to wait another 2 years for you come up with an alternative approach to stop the technology theft occurring in China? Or would you rather continue with "Tarriffs are bad", because it's part of your liberal playbook? -
Some? Like leftist UC Irvine economist peter Navarro who currently advises trump?UW_Doog_Bot said:
Some do, what are your preferred methods? More of the same that's been getting our lunch money stolen? That seems to be all you advocate for.CirrhosisDawg said:
Do these same economists also advocate self-defeating, growth inhibiting tariffs?UW_Doog_Bot said:
Sticking your head in the sand and refusing to acknowledge what is happening via state sponsored international corporate sabotage and market manipulation doesn't make it go away. I can't think of a major Economist that denies that it's a problem at this point. CDawg says so though so I guess that makes it all better.CirrhosisDawg said:
It’s simple GayBob. Tariffs (taxes on US consumers) are the natural recourse for trumptards who are beaten like a drum by china. Since you can’t beat them you advocate joining them. You are no better than a chi com GayBob.SFGbob said:What the fuck happened to El Monte? I see him running that ignorant mouth of his in other threads why did he run away from this one?
El Monte, how did I reduce myself to the level of Communist China? Come on Kunt, you made the claim back up that fucking big mouth of yours.
I would have preferred that we revisited the TPP and created a vast free trade network with China's competitors.
The US enjoys massive comparative economic advantages against China. Capitulating to domestic US populist-protectionist demagoguery will fail miserably, as is currently on display. Pulling out of tpp was another in a sequence of horribly botched trump policy changes. Ultimately the force of change will come from continued Innovative dominance, and commitment to leading a rules-based trading system. Reducing ourselves to chi com levels through tariffs in the name of supporting obsolescence, incompetence and uncompetitiveness is the trump’s road to ruin. -
Trump isn't a conservative HTHCirrhosisDawg said:
“Tariffs are bad” are part of the liberal playbook? Ronald Reagan is rolling over in his grave at how stupid trump has made the “conservative” movement.greenblood said:
Because China still relies on manufacturing as the majority of their economy, tariffs is the most effective way to hit them. Does it cause collateral damage to our economy? a little bit. But the long term benefit outweighs a short term growth inhibitor.CirrhosisDawg said:
Do these same economists also advocate self-defeating, growth inhibiting tariffs?UW_Doog_Bot said:
Sticking your head in the sand and refusing to acknowledge what is happening via state sponsored international corporate sabotage and market manipulation doesn't make it go away. I can't think of a major Economist that denies that it's a problem at this point. CDawg says so though so I guess that makes it all better.CirrhosisDawg said:
It’s simple GayBob. Tariffs (taxes on US consumers) are the natural recourse for trumptards who are beaten like a drum by china. Since you can’t beat them you advocate joining them. You are no better than a chi com GayBob.SFGbob said:What the fuck happened to El Monte? I see him running that ignorant mouth of his in other threads why did he run away from this one?
El Monte, how did I reduce myself to the level of Communist China? Come on Kunt, you made the claim back up that fucking big mouth of yours.
Since you are so smart, do I need to wait another 2 years for you come up with an alternative approach to stop the technology theft occurring in China? Or would you rather continue with "Tarriffs are bad", because it's part of your liberal playbook? -
This is the problem, the rules have been completely ignored and often used against us. The rules are being violated, what do you propose as a recourse to the rules being broken? America will, I suppose, continue to innovate while the CCP sponsors corporate take overs of innovative start ups or hacking to steal the IP we are innovating.CirrhosisDawg said:
Some? Like leftist UC Irvine economist peter Navarro who currently advises trump?UW_Doog_Bot said:
Some do, what are your preferred methods? More of the same that's been getting our lunch money stolen? That seems to be all you advocate for.CirrhosisDawg said:
Do these same economists also advocate self-defeating, growth inhibiting tariffs?UW_Doog_Bot said:
Sticking your head in the sand and refusing to acknowledge what is happening via state sponsored international corporate sabotage and market manipulation doesn't make it go away. I can't think of a major Economist that denies that it's a problem at this point. CDawg says so though so I guess that makes it all better.CirrhosisDawg said:
It’s simple GayBob. Tariffs (taxes on US consumers) are the natural recourse for trumptards who are beaten like a drum by china. Since you can’t beat them you advocate joining them. You are no better than a chi com GayBob.SFGbob said:What the fuck happened to El Monte? I see him running that ignorant mouth of his in other threads why did he run away from this one?
El Monte, how did I reduce myself to the level of Communist China? Come on Kunt, you made the claim back up that fucking big mouth of yours.
I would have preferred that we revisited the TPP and created a vast free trade network with China's competitors.
The US enjoys massive comparative economic advantages against China. Capitulating to domestic US populist-protectionist demagoguery will fail miserably, as is currently on display. Pulling out of tpp was another in a sequence of horribly botched trump policy changes. Ultimately the force of change will come from continued Innovative dominance, and commitment to leading a rules-based trading system. Reducing ourselves to chi com levels through tariffs in the name of supporting obsolescence, incompetence and uncompetitiveness is the trump’s road to ruin.
Would you prefer to call them "sanctions"? I'm on board with putting "sanctions" on CCP money the way we have done with Russia. Good luck getting the dems to capitulate to that since that's where they receive their funding from.
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He isn't missing it, he is too stupid to understand it and his rote responses don't cover it.greenblood said:
Again, you are missing the pointCirrhosisDawg said:
Tariffs are the protectionist recourse for hopelessly uncompetitive trumptards like you GayBob. Just own it.SFGbob said:
El Monte went with gibberish. So I've reduced myself to the level of Communist China because I don't think Chinese IP theft is part of the "free market" like you do.CirrhosisDawg said:
It’s simple GayBob. Tariffs (taxes on US consumers) are the natural recourse for trumptards who are beaten like a drum by china. Since you can’t beat them you advocate joining them. You are no better than a chi com GayBob.SFGbob said:What the fuck happened to El Monte? I see him running that ignorant mouth of his in other threads why did he run away from this one?
El Monte, how did I reduce myself to the level of Communist China? Come on Kunt, you made the claim back up that fucking big mouth of yours.
Logic only a Kunt could love. And now you see boys and girls why this Kunt is so hesitant to let go of the side of the kiddie pool.
Glug, glug El Monte. -
He doesn't care about IP theft. He feels it's just part of the free market.greenblood said:
Because China still relies on manufacturing as the majority of their economy, tariffs is the most effective way to hit them. Does it cause collateral damage to our economy? a little bit. But the long term benefit outweighs a short term growth inhibitor.CirrhosisDawg said:
Do these same economists also advocate self-defeating, growth inhibiting tariffs?UW_Doog_Bot said:
Sticking your head in the sand and refusing to acknowledge what is happening via state sponsored international corporate sabotage and market manipulation doesn't make it go away. I can't think of a major Economist that denies that it's a problem at this point. CDawg says so though so I guess that makes it all better.CirrhosisDawg said:
It’s simple GayBob. Tariffs (taxes on US consumers) are the natural recourse for trumptards who are beaten like a drum by china. Since you can’t beat them you advocate joining them. You are no better than a chi com GayBob.SFGbob said:What the fuck happened to El Monte? I see him running that ignorant mouth of his in other threads why did he run away from this one?
El Monte, how did I reduce myself to the level of Communist China? Come on Kunt, you made the claim back up that fucking big mouth of yours.
Since you are so smart, do I need to wait another 2 years for you come up with an alternative approach to stop the technology theft occurring in China? Or would you rather continue with "Tarriffs are bad", because it's part of your liberal playbook? -
CD is a great example of the idiots that got us here. Some bought by China some just fucking losers.
But Trump is stupid for standing up for Americans when we hold all the cards.
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Here's the thing, I would have much rather seen us isolate China by signing the TPP and creating trade agreements with "good actors". I think it would have been better to continue to let other countries see China for what they are, isolate them from the WTO if they won't follow the rules, and continue to promote free trade.RaceBannon said:CD is a great example of the idiots that got us here. Some bought by China some just fucking losers.
But Trump is stupid for standing up for Americans when we hold all the cards.
That said, Trump's trade war is better than, "hope and pray things get better" as a policy. The US economy can weather a lot more head winds than the Chinese economy can. The current GDP growth is indicative of that in the face of a trade war. The US is the only country still capable of standing up to the CCP by itself. I'm glad to see someone doing it, even haphazardly, before it's too late. -
[Elements of China’s military, state, business, and academia have been interwoven over decades and organized around one goal: stealing secrets from the West. This regime of theft takes with impunity, powering China’s economy and high-tech military, while robbing the United States alone of trillions in value each year.
Very late in the game, the United States has started to respond. The U.S. Justice Department made headlines in May 2014 by indicting five Chinese military hackers from Unit 61398 for their alleged role in economic theft.
The system, however, doesn’t stop at military hackers. Organizations throughout China work as “transfer centers” that process stolen information into usable designs. Official programs facilitate the theft. And the whole system runs through a corrupt nexus among government officials, military officers, business executives, and academics throughout China.
There is a nearly constant stream of news stories about cyberattacks and spies stealing technology from the West, but the true scale of the cyberattacks and breaches by spies goes far beyond what’s reported.]
The entire Chinese economy runs on state sponsored theft of innovation but yeah, we should just keep relying on our comparative advantage of innovation.
https://theepochtimes.com/investigative-report-china-theft-incorporated_1737917.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNobp7OnlJw -
El Monte's "Free" market at work. And if you protest, you just can't compete.UW_Doog_Bot said:[Elements of China’s military, state, business, and academia have been interwoven over decades and organized around one goal: stealing secrets from the West. This regime of theft takes with impunity, powering China’s economy and high-tech military, while robbing the United States alone of trillions in value each year.
Very late in the game, the United States has started to respond. The U.S. Justice Department made headlines in May 2014 by indicting five Chinese military hackers from Unit 61398 for their alleged role in economic theft.
The system, however, doesn’t stop at military hackers. Organizations throughout China work as “transfer centers” that process stolen information into usable designs. Official programs facilitate the theft. And the whole system runs through a corrupt nexus among government officials, military officers, business executives, and academics throughout China.
There is a nearly constant stream of news stories about cyberattacks and spies stealing technology from the West, but the true scale of the cyberattacks and breaches by spies goes far beyond what’s reported.]
The entire Chinese economy runs on state sponsored theft of innovation but yeah, we should just keep relying on our comparative advantage of innovation.
https://theepochtimes.com/investigative-report-china-theft-incorporated_1737917.htmlhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNobp7OnlJw -
When you had your gooberment lunch money stolen your whole life you don't give a shit about lunch money. CD was obviously bullied by China at school.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Some do, what are your preferred methods? More of the same that's been getting our lunch money stolen? That seems to be all you advocate for.CirrhosisDawg said:
Do these same economists also advocate self-defeating, growth inhibiting tariffs?UW_Doog_Bot said:
Sticking your head in the sand and refusing to acknowledge what is happening via state sponsored international corporate sabotage and market manipulation doesn't make it go away. I can't think of a major Economist that denies that it's a problem at this point. CDawg says so though so I guess that makes it all better.CirrhosisDawg said:
It’s simple GayBob. Tariffs (taxes on US consumers) are the natural recourse for trumptards who are beaten like a drum by china. Since you can’t beat them you advocate joining them. You are no better than a chi com GayBob.SFGbob said:What the fuck happened to El Monte? I see him running that ignorant mouth of his in other threads why did he run away from this one?
El Monte, how did I reduce myself to the level of Communist China? Come on Kunt, you made the claim back up that fucking big mouth of yours.
I would have preferred that we revisited the TPP and created a vast free trade network with China's competitors. -
Would never have happened...too many holes in the TPP which would have let China directly into our markets with even bigger advantages (look at why Canada was so pissed...they wanted to be the go-between shipper between China and the US).UW_Doog_Bot said:
Here's the thing, I would have much rather seen us isolate China by signing the TPP and creating trade agreements with "good actors". I think it would have been better to continue to let other countries see China for what they are, isolate them from the WTO if they won't follow the rules, and continue to promote free trade.RaceBannon said:CD is a great example of the idiots that got us here. Some bought by China some just fucking losers.
But Trump is stupid for standing up for Americans when we hold all the cards.
That said, Trump's trade war is better than, "hope and pray things get better" as a policy. The US economy can weather a lot more head winds than the Chinese economy can. The current GDP growth is indicative of that in the face of a trade war. The US is the only country still capable of standing up to the CCP by itself. I'm glad to see someone doing it, even haphazardly, before it's too late.
All economists pretty much agree that the current spat is forcing US companies to broaden their supply chains to be outside of just China, which long-term is a good thing for everybody (except for China...). -
Huh? You have trouble reading BLS charts? Don't go HondoFS on us...HHusky said:
They are up under both. Manufacturing employment is less than 9% of the workforce in the US. This isn't exactly a return to the 1950s. No one has specified when America was Great Before, so comparisons are difficult.HoustonHusky said:
And manufacturing jobs?HHusky said:
Federal government employment was flat during the Obama years, but don't the facts fuck you up.Bendintheriver said:These numbers paint the picture. Obama was creating government jobs (for math challenged liberals that means higher taxes for everyone). Trump is creating private sector jobs which in comparison to Obama is a total turn around and a net positive which of course the article at top does not bother to discuss. The article is written as if we owe the government money because we get to keep more of our own. This only makes sense to idiotic democrats.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckdevore/2019/02/01/manufacturers-added-6-times-more-jobs-under-trump-than-under-obamas-last-2-years/#a114fe25635a
Looking at Trump’s first two years, the revised BLS data shows that more than two manufacturing jobs were added for every one job added in government at the federal, state, and local level. In contrast, under Obama, almost five government jobs were added for every one manufacturing job.
After revising its data for past periods, the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) reports that seasonally adjusted nonfarm employment grew by 5.1 million jobs in President Trump’s first full two years in office, a 3.5% increase. Private sector payrolls grew by 4.9 million, a 4.0% increase.
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We were the force behind the TPP, we could have done what we wanted to modify it. Tear the whole thing up and start again just don't give up the concept.HoustonHusky said:
Would never have happened...too many holes in the TPP which would have let China directly into our markets with even bigger advantages (look at why Canada was so pissed...they wanted to be the go-between shipper between China and the US).UW_Doog_Bot said:
Here's the thing, I would have much rather seen us isolate China by signing the TPP and creating trade agreements with "good actors". I think it would have been better to continue to let other countries see China for what they are, isolate them from the WTO if they won't follow the rules, and continue to promote free trade.RaceBannon said:CD is a great example of the idiots that got us here. Some bought by China some just fucking losers.
But Trump is stupid for standing up for Americans when we hold all the cards.
That said, Trump's trade war is better than, "hope and pray things get better" as a policy. The US economy can weather a lot more head winds than the Chinese economy can. The current GDP growth is indicative of that in the face of a trade war. The US is the only country still capable of standing up to the CCP by itself. I'm glad to see someone doing it, even haphazardly, before it's too late.
All economists pretty much agree that the current spat is forcing US companies to broaden their supply chains to be outside of just China, which long-term is a good thing for everybody (except for China...). -
Speaking of gibberish. Wow HHuskey you are reaching so far to defend the indefensible that you aren't making any sense. The facts are the facts. Sorry about that.HHusky said:
Yeah, when you convert some jobs from military jobs to civilian jobs, you do change the composition of the workforce, but not the size. Reading is fundamental. That MSM Washington Times can be so misleading.Bendintheriver said:
Another lie by a democrat parrot:HHusky said:
Federal government employment was flat during the Obama years, but don't the facts fuck you up.Bendintheriver said:These numbers paint the picture. Obama was creating government jobs (for math challenged liberals that means higher taxes for everyone). Trump is creating private sector jobs which in comparison to Obama is a total turn around and a net positive which of course the article at top does not bother to discuss. The article is written as if we owe the government money because we get to keep more of our own. This only makes sense to idiotic democrats.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckdevore/2019/02/01/manufacturers-added-6-times-more-jobs-under-trump-than-under-obamas-last-2-years/#a114fe25635a
Looking at Trump’s first two years, the revised BLS data shows that more than two manufacturing jobs were added for every one job added in government at the federal, state, and local level. In contrast, under Obama, almost five government jobs were added for every one manufacturing job.
After revising its data for past periods, the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) reports that seasonally adjusted nonfarm employment grew by 5.1 million jobs in President Trump’s first full two years in office, a 3.5% increase. Private sector payrolls grew by 4.9 million, a 4.0% increase.
President Obama will set a record for the size of the basic federal workforce, leaving office with more than 1.4 million people collecting government salaries in the civilian agencies in 2017, according to the budget he delivered to Congress on Tuesday.
It’s a 10 percent jump from the time he took office in 2009
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/feb/9/federal-workers-hit-record-number-but-growth-slows/ -
Nailed it - TPP had the strictest IP protections ever negotiated in a trade deal. It was put together specifically to counter China's IP theft. When we left the remaining countries stripped most of those IP protections we had insisted on and ratified it. Heck - now China may end up joining since those IP protections were stripped.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Some do, what are your preferred methods? More of the same that's been getting our lunch money stolen? That seems to be all you advocate for.CirrhosisDawg said:
Do these same economists also advocate self-defeating, growth inhibiting tariffs?UW_Doog_Bot said:
Sticking your head in the sand and refusing to acknowledge what is happening via state sponsored international corporate sabotage and market manipulation doesn't make it go away. I can't think of a major Economist that denies that it's a problem at this point. CDawg says so though so I guess that makes it all better.CirrhosisDawg said:
It’s simple GayBob. Tariffs (taxes on US consumers) are the natural recourse for trumptards who are beaten like a drum by china. Since you can’t beat them you advocate joining them. You are no better than a chi com GayBob.SFGbob said:What the fuck happened to El Monte? I see him running that ignorant mouth of his in other threads why did he run away from this one?
El Monte, how did I reduce myself to the level of Communist China? Come on Kunt, you made the claim back up that fucking big mouth of yours.
I would have preferred that we revisited the TPP and created a vast free trade network with China's competitors.
