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  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    This is how you lie with stats. Although they did a great job of showing that taxes don't actually bring in more revenue.

    In total, H&R Block found that federal taxes were down almost 25 percent for 2018.

    The average household is seeing tax savings of almost $27,000 over the next decade, according to estimates released by the Heritage Foundation.
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183
    2001400ex said:

    This is how you lie with stats. Although they did a great job of showing that taxes don't actually bring in more revenue.

    In total, H&R Block found that federal taxes were down almost 25 percent for 2018.

    The average household is seeing tax savings of almost $27,000 over the next decade, according to estimates released by the Heritage Foundation.

    Hondo doesn't bother with stats, he just lies.
    2001400ex said:

    I generally don't give much of a shit but to say that teachers don't push a liberal agenda is retarded

    This has been known for like the last 60 years

    Why is it you people always have to deny the obvious stuff?

    So you really think teachers across the country are primarily liberal? You do realize that their demographic is probably pretty close to the same as the general population, right?
  • HoustonHusky
    HoustonHusky Member Posts: 5,999
    edited May 2019
    2001400ex said:

    This is how you lie with stats. Although they did a great job of showing that taxes don't actually bring in more revenue.

    In total, H&R Block found that federal taxes were down almost 25 percent for 2018.

    The average household is seeing tax savings of almost $27,000 over the next decade, according to estimates released by the Heritage Foundation.

    Known burger flipper and fake finance guy quotes H&R Block on federal taxes. Brilliant, mainly in that he is unwittingly reinforcing the fact the little man got most of the tax breaks. Specifically, how many really rich people go to H&R Block in the local strip mall or use their software to have their taxes done vs. little guys?

    Meanwhile, in reality Individual income tax revenue and overall tax revenue was up slightly in Fiscal Year 2018 over Fiscal Year 2017. So if H&R Block's clients federal taxes went down that much and yet overall govt revenue went up...wonder where most of the tax burden shifted to.

    HondoFS...
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,662 Standard Supporter
    HHusky said:
    NPR? No one with an IQ above freezer temp believes anything NPR puts out. Fuck, Info Wars is better!
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    2001400ex said:

    This is how you lie with stats. Although they did a great job of showing that taxes don't actually bring in more revenue.

    In total, H&R Block found that federal taxes were down almost 25 percent for 2018.

    The average household is seeing tax savings of almost $27,000 over the next decade, according to estimates released by the Heritage Foundation.

    Known burger flipper and fake finance guy quotes H&R Block on federal taxes. Brilliant, mainly in that he is unwittingly reinforcing the fact the little man got most of the tax breaks. Specifically, how many really rich people go to H&R Block in the local strip mall or use their software to have their taxes done vs. little guys?

    Meanwhile, in reality Individual income tax revenue and overall tax revenue was up slightly in Fiscal Year 2018 over Fiscal Year 2017. So if H&R Block's clients federal taxes went down that much and yet overall govt revenue went up...wonder where most of the tax burden shifted to.

    HondoFS...
    Houston lies and forgets that the first 4 months of 18 were under the old tax structure along with April.
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183
    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    This is how you lie with stats. Although they did a great job of showing that taxes don't actually bring in more revenue.

    In total, H&R Block found that federal taxes were down almost 25 percent for 2018.

    The average household is seeing tax savings of almost $27,000 over the next decade, according to estimates released by the Heritage Foundation.

    Known burger flipper and fake finance guy quotes H&R Block on federal taxes. Brilliant, mainly in that he is unwittingly reinforcing the fact the little man got most of the tax breaks. Specifically, how many really rich people go to H&R Block in the local strip mall or use their software to have their taxes done vs. little guys?

    Meanwhile, in reality Individual income tax revenue and overall tax revenue was up slightly in Fiscal Year 2018 over Fiscal Year 2017. So if H&R Block's clients federal taxes went down that much and yet overall govt revenue went up...wonder where most of the tax burden shifted to.

    HondoFS...
    Houston lies and forgets that the first 4 months of 18 were under the old tax structure along with April.
    But that still doesn't explain why tax revenue for all of fiscal year 2018 is up over FY 2017 Hondo. And where does a pathological liar like yourself get off calling anyone else a liar?


  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,881
    Sledog said:

    HHusky said:
    NPR? No one with an IQ above freezer temp believes anything NPR puts out. Fuck, Info Wars is better!
    They wrote the article. They didn't draw up the illustrations. Feel free to provide contrary data.
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183
    HHusky said:

    Sledog said:

    HHusky said:
    NPR? No one with an IQ above freezer temp believes anything NPR puts out. Fuck, Info Wars is better!
    They wrote the article. They didn't draw up the illustrations. Feel free to provide contrary data.
    Sarcasm was obviously lost on you O'Keefed.
  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,881
    SFGbob said:

    HHusky said:

    Sledog said:

    HHusky said:
    NPR? No one with an IQ above freezer temp believes anything NPR puts out. Fuck, Info Wars is better!
    They wrote the article. They didn't draw up the illustrations. Feel free to provide contrary data.
    Sarcasm was obviously lost on you O'Keefed.
    Have you assumed that Sled isn't really a retard and has been practicing sarcasm for the past several months?
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    This is how you lie with stats. Although they did a great job of showing that taxes don't actually bring in more revenue.

    In total, H&R Block found that federal taxes were down almost 25 percent for 2018.

    The average household is seeing tax savings of almost $27,000 over the next decade, according to estimates released by the Heritage Foundation.

    Known burger flipper and fake finance guy quotes H&R Block on federal taxes. Brilliant, mainly in that he is unwittingly reinforcing the fact the little man got most of the tax breaks. Specifically, how many really rich people go to H&R Block in the local strip mall or use their software to have their taxes done vs. little guys?

    Meanwhile, in reality Individual income tax revenue and overall tax revenue was up slightly in Fiscal Year 2018 over Fiscal Year 2017. So if H&R Block's clients federal taxes went down that much and yet overall govt revenue went up...wonder where most of the tax burden shifted to.

    HondoFS...
    Houston lies and forgets that the first 4 months of 18 were under the old tax structure along with April.
    But that still doesn't explain why tax revenue for all of fiscal year 2018 is up over FY 2017 Hondo. And where does a pathological liar like yourself get off calling anyone else a liar?


    Look at the month to month. Pretty much every other much had less revenue. This was posted long time ago and you fail to comprehend.

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  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183
    Well you'll have to forgive me Hondo I don't read every thread.
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183
    HHusky said:

    SFGbob said:

    HHusky said:

    Sledog said:

    HHusky said:
    NPR? No one with an IQ above freezer temp believes anything NPR puts out. Fuck, Info Wars is better!
    They wrote the article. They didn't draw up the illustrations. Feel free to provide contrary data.
    Sarcasm was obviously lost on you O'Keefed.
    Have you assumed that Sled isn't really a retard and has been practicing sarcasm for the past several months?
    I assumed he was being sarcastic and you were clueless.
  • HoustonHusky
    HoustonHusky Member Posts: 5,999
    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    This is how you lie with stats. Although they did a great job of showing that taxes don't actually bring in more revenue.

    In total, H&R Block found that federal taxes were down almost 25 percent for 2018.

    The average household is seeing tax savings of almost $27,000 over the next decade, according to estimates released by the Heritage Foundation.

    Known burger flipper and fake finance guy quotes H&R Block on federal taxes. Brilliant, mainly in that he is unwittingly reinforcing the fact the little man got most of the tax breaks. Specifically, how many really rich people go to H&R Block in the local strip mall or use their software to have their taxes done vs. little guys?

    Meanwhile, in reality Individual income tax revenue and overall tax revenue was up slightly in Fiscal Year 2018 over Fiscal Year 2017. So if H&R Block's clients federal taxes went down that much and yet overall govt revenue went up...wonder where most of the tax burden shifted to.

    HondoFS...
    Houston lies and forgets that the first 4 months of 18 were under the old tax structure along with April.


    For HondoFS its first 'Look at H&R Block claims on 2018'...now its '2018 data isn't important because of an arbitrary rule I have in my head'.

    HondoFS...


  • CirrhosisDawg
    CirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390



    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    This is how you lie with stats. Although they did a great job of showing that taxes don't actually bring in more revenue.

    In total, H&R Block found that federal taxes were down almost 25 percent for 2018.

    The average household is seeing tax savings of almost $27,000 over the next decade, according to estimates released by the Heritage Foundation.

    Known burger flipper and fake finance guy quotes H&R Block on federal taxes. Brilliant, mainly in that he is unwittingly reinforcing the fact the little man got most of the tax breaks. Specifically, how many really rich people go to H&R Block in the local strip mall or use their software to have their taxes done vs. little guys?

    Meanwhile, in reality Individual income tax revenue and overall tax revenue was up slightly in Fiscal Year 2018 over Fiscal Year 2017. So if H&R Block's clients federal taxes went down that much and yet overall govt revenue went up...wonder where most of the tax burden shifted to.

    HondoFS...
    Houston lies and forgets that the first 4 months of 18 were under the old tax structure along with April.


    For HondoFS its first 'Look at H&R Block claims on 2018'...now its '2018 data isn't important because of an arbitrary rule I have in my head'.

    HondoFS...


    Trumptards are totally shredding hondo.
    Pathological liar. Moving goal post.
    MAGA! winning!
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,662 Standard Supporter
    HHusky said:

    SFGbob said:

    HHusky said:

    Sledog said:

    HHusky said:
    NPR? No one with an IQ above freezer temp believes anything NPR puts out. Fuck, Info Wars is better!
    They wrote the article. They didn't draw up the illustrations. Feel free to provide contrary data.
    Sarcasm was obviously lost on you O'Keefed.
    Have you assumed that Sled isn't really a retard and has been practicing sarcasm for the past several months?
    Why? communists lie. But then you love communists and communism.
  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,881
    Sledog said:

    HHusky said:

    SFGbob said:

    HHusky said:

    Sledog said:

    HHusky said:
    NPR? No one with an IQ above freezer temp believes anything NPR puts out. Fuck, Info Wars is better!
    They wrote the article. They didn't draw up the illustrations. Feel free to provide contrary data.
    Sarcasm was obviously lost on you O'Keefed.
    Have you assumed that Sled isn't really a retard and has been practicing sarcasm for the past several months?
    Why? communists lie. But then you love communists and communism.
    Obviously.
  • UW_Doog_Bot
    UW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 18,040 Founders Club
    HHusky said:
    [The vast majority of Americans get some tax cut, at least at first. Just one in 20 families face a higher tax burden this year because of the law, the left-leaning Tax Policy Center estimates, including 7.3 percent of middle-income groups.

    The benefits of the tax law are spread pretty evenly in the next few years. But, measured as a percentage of their tax bills, the group getting the largest cut is clear: Families earning from $200,000 to $1 million will see their tax bills drop about 9 percent next year according to Congress’s official scorekeeper, the nonpartisan Joint Committee on Taxation. That’s 1 percentage point more than the tax cut for households earning $75,000 to $100,000.

    And, the cuts for middle-class wage earners fade over time. By 2026, changes to individual tax rules expire, while corporate changes are permanent. Unless Congress acts, 53 percent of all taxpayers will see a modest tax hike by 2027, the Tax Policy Center says, including almost 70 percent of middle-income families.]

    I'm ok with making those middle class tax cuts permanent. I'm glad we could find some mutual ground.
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457



    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    This is how you lie with stats. Although they did a great job of showing that taxes don't actually bring in more revenue.

    In total, H&R Block found that federal taxes were down almost 25 percent for 2018.

    The average household is seeing tax savings of almost $27,000 over the next decade, according to estimates released by the Heritage Foundation.

    Known burger flipper and fake finance guy quotes H&R Block on federal taxes. Brilliant, mainly in that he is unwittingly reinforcing the fact the little man got most of the tax breaks. Specifically, how many really rich people go to H&R Block in the local strip mall or use their software to have their taxes done vs. little guys?

    Meanwhile, in reality Individual income tax revenue and overall tax revenue was up slightly in Fiscal Year 2018 over Fiscal Year 2017. So if H&R Block's clients federal taxes went down that much and yet overall govt revenue went up...wonder where most of the tax burden shifted to.

    HondoFS...
    Houston lies and forgets that the first 4 months of 18 were under the old tax structure along with April.


    For HondoFS its first 'Look at H&R Block claims on 2018'...now its '2018 data isn't important because of an arbitrary rule I have in my head'.

    HondoFS...


    Trumptards are totally shredding hondo.
    Pathological liar. Moving goal post.
    MAGA! winning!
    Facts are lost on Houston. Even Bob gave in when presented the facts.
  • HoustonHusky
    HoustonHusky Member Posts: 5,999
    2001400ex said:



    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    This is how you lie with stats. Although they did a great job of showing that taxes don't actually bring in more revenue.

    In total, H&R Block found that federal taxes were down almost 25 percent for 2018.

    The average household is seeing tax savings of almost $27,000 over the next decade, according to estimates released by the Heritage Foundation.

    Known burger flipper and fake finance guy quotes H&R Block on federal taxes. Brilliant, mainly in that he is unwittingly reinforcing the fact the little man got most of the tax breaks. Specifically, how many really rich people go to H&R Block in the local strip mall or use their software to have their taxes done vs. little guys?

    Meanwhile, in reality Individual income tax revenue and overall tax revenue was up slightly in Fiscal Year 2018 over Fiscal Year 2017. So if H&R Block's clients federal taxes went down that much and yet overall govt revenue went up...wonder where most of the tax burden shifted to.

    HondoFS...
    Houston lies and forgets that the first 4 months of 18 were under the old tax structure along with April.


    For HondoFS its first 'Look at H&R Block claims on 2018'...now its '2018 data isn't important because of an arbitrary rule I have in my head'.

    HondoFS...


    Trumptards are totally shredding hondo.
    Pathological liar. Moving goal post.
    MAGA! winning!
    Facts are lost on Houston. Even Bob gave in when presented the facts.
    So much stupid...so little time. Feel free to point out where anything I said was wrong...or keep lying in trying to.
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    2001400ex said:



    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    This is how you lie with stats. Although they did a great job of showing that taxes don't actually bring in more revenue.

    In total, H&R Block found that federal taxes were down almost 25 percent for 2018.

    The average household is seeing tax savings of almost $27,000 over the next decade, according to estimates released by the Heritage Foundation.

    Known burger flipper and fake finance guy quotes H&R Block on federal taxes. Brilliant, mainly in that he is unwittingly reinforcing the fact the little man got most of the tax breaks. Specifically, how many really rich people go to H&R Block in the local strip mall or use their software to have their taxes done vs. little guys?

    Meanwhile, in reality Individual income tax revenue and overall tax revenue was up slightly in Fiscal Year 2018 over Fiscal Year 2017. So if H&R Block's clients federal taxes went down that much and yet overall govt revenue went up...wonder where most of the tax burden shifted to.

    HondoFS...
    Houston lies and forgets that the first 4 months of 18 were under the old tax structure along with April.


    For HondoFS its first 'Look at H&R Block claims on 2018'...now its '2018 data isn't important because of an arbitrary rule I have in my head'.

    HondoFS...


    Trumptards are totally shredding hondo.
    Pathological liar. Moving goal post.
    MAGA! winning!
    Facts are lost on Houston. Even Bob gave in when presented the facts.
    So much stupid...so little time. Feel free to point out where anything I said was wrong...or keep lying in trying to.
    Are you really that obtuse or just want a reaction?
  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,881
    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    This is how you lie with stats. Although they did a great job of showing that taxes don't actually bring in more revenue.

    In total, H&R Block found that federal taxes were down almost 25 percent for 2018.

    The average household is seeing tax savings of almost $27,000 over the next decade, according to estimates released by the Heritage Foundation.

    Known burger flipper and fake finance guy quotes H&R Block on federal taxes. Brilliant, mainly in that he is unwittingly reinforcing the fact the little man got most of the tax breaks. Specifically, how many really rich people go to H&R Block in the local strip mall or use their software to have their taxes done vs. little guys?

    Meanwhile, in reality Individual income tax revenue and overall tax revenue was up slightly in Fiscal Year 2018 over Fiscal Year 2017. So if H&R Block's clients federal taxes went down that much and yet overall govt revenue went up...wonder where most of the tax burden shifted to.

    HondoFS...
    Houston lies and forgets that the first 4 months of 18 were under the old tax structure along with April.
    But that still doesn't explain why tax revenue for all of fiscal year 2018 is up over FY 2017 Hondo. And where does a pathological liar like yourself get off calling anyone else a liar?


    The economy has been growing for about 10 straight years. Tax revenues go up when the economy grows. The economy has grown for most of our history. Tax revenues have rarely declined year over year for that reason.

  • HoustonHusky
    HoustonHusky Member Posts: 5,999
    HHusky said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    This is how you lie with stats. Although they did a great job of showing that taxes don't actually bring in more revenue.

    In total, H&R Block found that federal taxes were down almost 25 percent for 2018.

    The average household is seeing tax savings of almost $27,000 over the next decade, according to estimates released by the Heritage Foundation.

    Known burger flipper and fake finance guy quotes H&R Block on federal taxes. Brilliant, mainly in that he is unwittingly reinforcing the fact the little man got most of the tax breaks. Specifically, how many really rich people go to H&R Block in the local strip mall or use their software to have their taxes done vs. little guys?

    Meanwhile, in reality Individual income tax revenue and overall tax revenue was up slightly in Fiscal Year 2018 over Fiscal Year 2017. So if H&R Block's clients federal taxes went down that much and yet overall govt revenue went up...wonder where most of the tax burden shifted to.

    HondoFS...
    Houston lies and forgets that the first 4 months of 18 were under the old tax structure along with April.
    But that still doesn't explain why tax revenue for all of fiscal year 2018 is up over FY 2017 Hondo. And where does a pathological liar like yourself get off calling anyone else a liar?


    The economy has been growing for about 10 straight years. Tax revenues go up when the economy grows. The economy has grown for most of our history. Tax revenues have rarely declined year over year for that reason.

    But HondoFS said they went down 25% because H&R Block told him so...


  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    HHusky said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    This is how you lie with stats. Although they did a great job of showing that taxes don't actually bring in more revenue.

    In total, H&R Block found that federal taxes were down almost 25 percent for 2018.

    The average household is seeing tax savings of almost $27,000 over the next decade, according to estimates released by the Heritage Foundation.

    Known burger flipper and fake finance guy quotes H&R Block on federal taxes. Brilliant, mainly in that he is unwittingly reinforcing the fact the little man got most of the tax breaks. Specifically, how many really rich people go to H&R Block in the local strip mall or use their software to have their taxes done vs. little guys?

    Meanwhile, in reality Individual income tax revenue and overall tax revenue was up slightly in Fiscal Year 2018 over Fiscal Year 2017. So if H&R Block's clients federal taxes went down that much and yet overall govt revenue went up...wonder where most of the tax burden shifted to.

    HondoFS...
    Houston lies and forgets that the first 4 months of 18 were under the old tax structure along with April.
    But that still doesn't explain why tax revenue for all of fiscal year 2018 is up over FY 2017 Hondo. And where does a pathological liar like yourself get off calling anyone else a liar?


    The economy has been growing for about 10 straight years. Tax revenues go up when the economy grows. The economy has grown for most of our history. Tax revenues have rarely declined year over year for that reason.

    But HondoFS said they went down 25% because H&R Block told him so...


    No. I didn't. Read the quotes again.
  • CirrhosisDawg
    CirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390

    HHusky said:
    [The vast majority of Americans get some tax cut, at least at first. Just one in 20 families face a higher tax burden this year because of the law, the left-leaning Tax Policy Center estimates, including 7.3 percent of middle-income groups.

    The benefits of the tax law are spread pretty evenly in the next few years. But, measured as a percentage of their tax bills, the group getting the largest cut is clear: Families earning from $200,000 to $1 million will see their tax bills drop about 9 percent next year according to Congress’s official scorekeeper, the nonpartisan Joint Committee on Taxation. That’s 1 percentage point more than the tax cut for households earning $75,000 to $100,000.

    And, the cuts for middle-class wage earners fade over time. By 2026, changes to individual tax rules expire, while corporate changes are permanent. Unless Congress acts, 53 percent of all taxpayers will see a modest tax hike by 2027, the Tax Policy Center says, including almost 70 percent of middle-income families.]

    I'm ok with making those middle class tax cuts permanent. I'm glad we could find some mutual ground.
    Families in California earning between $200k and $1million incurred significant 2018 federal tax increases. That’s ok, we can afford it, but the vast majority of US families making $200k to $1mm live in in California. That’s why out of 53 US house members in California, 7 are gop and 0 are from Orange County. Trump’s tax plan destroyed the already moribund California Republican Party. Trump should run a campaign based on the fact that a handful of protectionist, isolationist and Nationalists in Georgia got a 9 pct Federal tax cut.
  • HoustonHusky
    HoustonHusky Member Posts: 5,999
    2001400ex said:

    HHusky said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    This is how you lie with stats. Although they did a great job of showing that taxes don't actually bring in more revenue.

    In total, H&R Block found that federal taxes were down almost 25 percent for 2018.

    The average household is seeing tax savings of almost $27,000 over the next decade, according to estimates released by the Heritage Foundation.

    Known burger flipper and fake finance guy quotes H&R Block on federal taxes. Brilliant, mainly in that he is unwittingly reinforcing the fact the little man got most of the tax breaks. Specifically, how many really rich people go to H&R Block in the local strip mall or use their software to have their taxes done vs. little guys?

    Meanwhile, in reality Individual income tax revenue and overall tax revenue was up slightly in Fiscal Year 2018 over Fiscal Year 2017. So if H&R Block's clients federal taxes went down that much and yet overall govt revenue went up...wonder where most of the tax burden shifted to.

    HondoFS...
    Houston lies and forgets that the first 4 months of 18 were under the old tax structure along with April.
    But that still doesn't explain why tax revenue for all of fiscal year 2018 is up over FY 2017 Hondo. And where does a pathological liar like yourself get off calling anyone else a liar?


    The economy has been growing for about 10 straight years. Tax revenues go up when the economy grows. The economy has grown for most of our history. Tax revenues have rarely declined year over year for that reason.

    But HondoFS said they went down 25% because H&R Block told him so...


    No. I didn't. Read the quotes again.
    Your quote has nothing to do with total govt revenues, which you flailed to when the obviousness of the H&R Block point (i.e. those on the lower end of the spectrum got the biggest relative tax benefit) was pointed out to you.

    HondoFS...

  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183
    That’s ok, we can afford it,


    Good, lets raise your taxes even higher. And the only reason taxes for California went up his because of the high property and state taxes imposed by the state. Why should people in low tax states have to subsidize your lazy ass? Can't you compete?