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@UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot said:
Except that in the age of the internet innovation travels across the globe in seconds. Never mind that additionally Chinese state and state sponsored actors are actively sabotaging and stealing anything we innovate.
In my industry we are literally attacked by Chinese malware/spyware every, single, fucking day.
Did you watch the video I posted the other day of a four star general with a phd in economics discussing this?
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No, not Wild West Cuog! The free migration of labor and capital is the baseline. I assume they teach economis at Cuog. Every single impediment is an inefficiency. Some of those are warranted, some are not. People and governments have different views of them for varying reasons. But labor and capital finding one another in the market with no impediments is the baseline.salemcoog said:
In the Wild West era, sure.gif.
As for our situation, I have yet to hear a cogent argument, in the Tug or elsewhere, about the evils of letting in cheap labor other than exaggerated / made-up stories of legions of Mexicans getting free bennies from the Fed that are denied to our veterans.
Bullshit or not, that's not an economic argument in any event. On that front, all I see are posts with conclusory statements about the depressing effects on wages for low-skilled domestic workers (no shit?) made by fellow Tugmen whose homes are full of cheap shit imported from Mexico and China. Apparently the domestic manufacturer isn't on their minds. So, I'm not persuaded.
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It’s a complicated issue senor and both extremes of the debate over simplify things. One challenge with the current state of affairs is the bennefits flow mostly to the higher earners. Take the income inequality for instance in Casa de Orina Amarilla. Yo soy muy pobre...so I have to mow my own lawn, pero mi esposa gets to hire a house cleaner. Life’s not fair sometimes.creepycoug said:
No, not Wild West Cuog! The free migration of labor and capital is the baseline. I assume they teach economis at Cuog. Every single impediment is an inefficiency. Some of those are warranted, some are not. People and governments have different views of them for varying reasons. But labor and capital finding one another in the market with no impediments is the baseline.
As for our situation, I have yet to hear a cogent argument, in the Tug or elsewhere, about the evils of letting in cheap labor other than exaggerated / made-up stories of legions of Mexicans getting free bennies from the Fed that are denied to our veterans.
Bullshit or not, that's not an economic argument in any event. On that front, all I see are posts with conclusory statements about the depressing effects on wages for low-skilled domestic workers (no shit?) made by fellow Tugmen whose homes are full of cheap shit imported from Mexico and China. Apparently the domestic manufacturer isn't on their minds. So, I'm not persuaded. -
Do you like apples?YellowSnow said:
It’s a complicated issue senor and both extremes of the debate over simplify things. One challenge with the current state of affairs is the bennefits flow mostly to the higher earners. Take the income inequality for instance in Casa de Orina Amarilla. Yo soy muy pobre...so I have to mow my own lawn, pero mi esposa gets to hire a house cleaner. Life’s not fair sometimes.
Double the current price?
Triple?
Moar?
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Galas are my favorite. I’m not talking about kicking out all the Apple pickers.creepycoug said: -
More people they got a tax break for expansion/new equipment and more people are working. More people have money to buy shit. More taxes get collected. HTH2001400ex said:
Just like prices dropped when the corporate tax rate was dropped. As predicted. MAGA. -
Aka, the Fruit Picker Visa.YellowSnow said:
Galas are my favorite. I’m not talking about kicking out all the Apple pickers. -
Two thoughts respectively:YellowSnow said:
CD, I think we've got to quit over simplifying the free trade debate discussion. China is a much different animal when it comes our national interests, than, say opening up our markets to Japan or Germany which are both liberal democracies and close allies. Did you know that back in the 1980's when the domestic automakers were getting hammered by Japanese imports, we were able to reach an agreement with Japan where Toyota, HondoFS, etc started opening up plants in the US? They were a close ally and willing to work with us to save some jerbs in America. Hell, my wife's MDX is made by a bunch of cousin fuckers down in Bammer. China doesn't want to be cooperative because they are a mercantilist, dictatorship bent on displacing the US the the sole superpower.
a) the product of #winning
b) I don't recall my source, but I've never forgot ... in the course of human history, every time a super power has attempted to overtake another super power, it's talked in a bit fucking war
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But in the nuclear age can 2 super powers ever get into a full blown war? We got close once but for the most part the bomb is a pretty strong deterrent.pawz said:
Two thoughts respectively:
a) the product of #winning
b) I don't recall my source, but I've never forgot ... in the course of human history, every time a super power has attempted to overtake another super power, it's talked in a bit fucking war
the liberal methodology of shaming people into a particular behavior pattern isn't going to work here -
When two tribes go to war one is all that you can score.YellowSnow said:
But in the nuclear age can 2 super powers ever get into a full blown war? We got close once but for the most part the bomb is a pretty strong deterrent. -
I think they are gross.creepycoug said:
No, not Wild West Cuog! The free migration of labor and capital is the baseline. I assume they teach economis at Cuog. Every single impediment is an inefficiency. Some of those are warranted, some are not. People and governments have different views of them for varying reasons. But labor and capital finding one another in the market with no impediments is the baseline.
As for our situation, I have yet to hear a cogent argument, in the Tug or elsewhere, about the evils of letting in cheap labor other than exaggerated / made-up stories of legions of Mexicans getting free bennies from the Fed that are denied to our veterans.
Bullshit or not, that's not an economic argument in any event. On that front, all I see are posts with conclusory statements about the depressing effects on wages for low-skilled domestic workers (no shit?) made by fellow Tugmen whose homes are full of cheap shit imported from Mexico and China. Apparently the domestic manufacturer isn't on their minds. So, I'm not persuaded.
It aint the hotties coming -
Did you just call @creepycoug que feo? What a dick you are Bitchfork.Pitchfork51 said: -
Goddamnit Damone! Frankie Goes to Hollywood? FML for knowing that.MikeDamone said:
When two tribes go to war one is all that you can score.
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Did he walk across mexico in a caravan?!YellowSnow said: -
No. He came on a boat with Tony Montana.Pitchfork51 said:
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I just finished this thread. @creepycoug won this one rather easily. This being the gem poast, but all the rest of his are very impressive. After almost three years here, how did I miss your insight? I'm not gay, but I'd probably let Dennis do me. You may have made the list too.creepycoug said:
I mean, that's it right there. That's the point of it.
Like Trump, hate Trump, whatever Trump. Whomever is making a play to solve this, you can only evaluate the play after you ask yourself two questions: (1) is there anything about our economic relationship with the Chinese that's long-term detrimental to American interests (I assume we all agree "yes" here); and (2) what levers do we? have to pull?
I am not a Trump guy, and I don't reflexively respond to Tuff talk and bravado. But taking a hard line with China, now, as opposed to when we need them more than they need us, is not the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
Recognize, too, that there is a Yuge cultural issue here. We walk, talk and act like Western Europeans. We understand each other for obvious reasons and can thus appeal to each other's sense of fairness, right, wrong, etc. When someone from Western Europe is fucking you, he knows he's fucking you, and he knows you know that he knows.
The Chinese are a different animal. I've dealt with their import bureaucracy and layers and layers of "agents" whom you need to hire to get you from the dock to their markets. Everybody has their hand out there, and what we consider dishonesty is a routine day at the office for them. They're different. Not better or worse, but different. For that reason, I've always been as cynical about talking shit out with them as I was about Trumpy's chances with fatboy. Ain't gonna work. You gotta him 'em where it hurts. This is a population of people who can still remember what it's like to starve. This isn't about diplomacy. It's free market economis. You do what you're in a position to do, and you take what you're in a position to have to take. It's that simple.
It's not personally Sonny. It's just business.
Many strong poasts from others. To bad Hondo showed up and the thread died.
This is a GOOD thread. Thank @YellowSnow. Your game was pretty strong too. -
Classy comment. Classy AF89ute said:
I just finished this thread. @creepycoug won this one rather easily. This being the gem poast, but all the rest of his are very impressive. After almost three years here, how did I miss your insight? I'm not gay, but I'd probably let Dennis do me. You may have made the list too.
Many strong poasts from others. To bad Hondo showed up and the thread died.
This is a GOOD thread. Thank @YellowSnow. Your game was pretty strong too. -
Nebraska "'91 Standing Ovation" Classy?MikeDamone said:
Classy comment. Classy AF -
Yella has been known to start a few good threads.89ute said:
I just finished this thread. @creepycoug won this one rather easily. This being the gem poast, but all the rest of his are very impressive. After almost three years here, how did I miss your insight? I'm not gay, but I'd probably let Dennis do me. You may have made the list too.
Many strong poasts from others. To bad Hondo showed up and the thread died.
This is a GOOD thread. Thank @YellowSnow. Your game was pretty strong too.
Mayor Yella does it again! -
I'll go back and try to find it. Wasn't going to do a deep dive to search for it on mobile over the weekend.pawz said: -
Salt Lake City Classy?MikeDamone said:
Classy comment. Classy AF -
@pawz
I conflated two different videos in my memory. Both are relevant and good though and are essentially saying the same things.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHgqPaqUt80
PHD in Economics and Brigadier General Robert Spalding(who spent time advising the WH) discussing the Chinese trade dilemma
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOTYgcdNrXE&t=946s
Cool @Swaye missile test stuff at beginning, about 11 minutes in a discussion of multi-domain warfare with 4 star General Brown
@CirrhosisDawg might want to make your investor's portfolios adjust their emerging markets funds... -
Good videos. However I fear the "Art of Disagreeing Well" will never take hold here.UW_Doog_Bot said:@pawz
I conflated two different videos in my memory. Both are relevant and good though and are essentially saying the same things.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHgqPaqUt80
PHD in Economics and Brigadier General Robert Spalding(who spent time advising the WH) discussing the Chinese trade dilemmahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOTYgcdNrXE&t=946s
Cool @Swaye missile test stuff at beginning, about 11 minutes in a discussion of multi-domain warfare with 4 star General Brown
@CirrhosisDawg might want to make your investor's portfolios adjust their emerging markets funds... -
During the Industrial Revolution, this made sense. We? needed anyone that could fog a mirror to come to America to build and work in factories and also build infrastructure. If they weren't even semi retarded, they could be taught a job to be productive. Things have changed since then. What this country starves for now is skilled labor. Not a free flow of gardeners, pickers and ditch diggers.creepycoug said:
No, not Wild West Cuog! The free migration of labor and capital is the baseline. I assume they teach economis at Cuog. Every single impediment is an inefficiency. Some of those are warranted, some are not. People and governments have different views of them for varying reasons. But labor and capital finding one another in the market with no impediments is the baseline.
As for our situation, I have yet to hear a cogent argument, in the Tug or elsewhere, about the evils of letting in cheap labor other than exaggerated / made-up stories of legions of Mexicans getting free bennies from the Fed that are denied to our veterans.
Bullshit or not, that's not an economic argument in any event. On that front, all I see are posts with conclusory statements about the depressing effects on wages for low-skilled domestic workers (no shit?) made by fellow Tugmen whose homes are full of cheap shit imported from Mexico and China. Apparently the domestic manufacturer isn't on their minds. So, I'm not persuaded. -
J?salemcoog said:
During the Industrial Revolution, this made sense. We? needed anyone that could fog a mirror to come to America to build and work in factories and also build infrastructure. If they weren't even semi retarded, they could be taught a job to be productive. Things have changed since then. What this country starves for now is skilled labor. Not a free flow of gardeners, pickers and ditch diggers.
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So the US has an under supply of skilled labor but an over supply of unskilled labor? More engineers and fewer landscape professionals is what you are advocating for? Interesting. Wonder why you would make that assessment?salemcoog said:
During the Industrial Revolution, this made sense. We? needed anyone that could fog a mirror to come to America to build and work in factories and also build infrastructure. If they weren't even semi retarded, they could be taught a job to be productive. Things have changed since then. What this country starves for now is skilled labor. Not a free flow of gardeners, pickers and ditch diggers. -
TYFYSUW_Doog_Bot said:@pawz
I conflated two different videos in my memory. Both are relevant and good though and are essentially saying the same things.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHgqPaqUt80
PHD in Economics and Brigadier General Robert Spalding(who spent time advising the WH) discussing the Chinese trade dilemmahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOTYgcdNrXE&t=946s
Cool @Swaye missile test stuff at beginning, about 11 minutes in a discussion of multi-domain warfare with 4 star General Brown
@CirrhosisDawg might want to make your investor's portfolios adjust their emerging markets funds...
