Gangster in the WH

salemcoog said:

SFGbob said:

CirrhosisDawg said:

YellowSnow said:

CirrhosisDawg said:

YellowSnow said:

CirrhosisDawg said:

UW_Doog_Bot said:

CirrhosisDawg said:

Doogles said:

Bleeding heart progressives should be demanding a quarantine of all Nations that utilize child slave labor in the global economy.

I spend 200 bucks on sneakers that cost 5 bucks to make. Surely there is some wiggle room here.

Jfc. @UW_Doog_Bot clean up on aisle 1.

I apologize since you’ve already addressed this once today. You are very good at explaining markets and micro economics.

In summation:

The Right: Free markets work best! Except internationally, we need to control international markets.

The Left: Free markets work best! Except domestically, we need to control domestic markets.

Doog_Bot: *sigh*

I'd Pinochet the lot of you if I didn't believe in the universality of human rights.

Also in summation, using government to control markets (through taxes, tariffs, and regulations) is futile and self-defeating in both international and domestic markets.

No matter how sanctimonious or self-righteous you are, you are not changing the laws of nature.

CD, I think we've got to quit over simplifying the free trade debate discussion. China is a much different animal when it comes our national interests, than, say opening up our markets to Japan or Germany which are both liberal democracies and close allies. Did you know that back in the 1980's when the domestic automakers were getting hammered by Japanese imports, we were able to reach an agreement with Japan where Toyota, HondoFS, etc started opening up plants in the US? They were a close ally and willing to work with us to save some jerbs in America. Hell, my wife's MDX is made by a bunch of cousin fuckers down in Bammer. China doesn't want to be cooperative because they are a mercantilist, dictatorship bent on displacing the US the the sole superpower.

So let’s pay more for consumer goods, destroy markets and undermine the 60 year old trade liberation infrastructure while trump sorts out a “deal” with “enforcement”?

Now hold on a second...

China entered the WTO in 2001. Average GDP growth per year in the US was way higher in the period 1945- 2001 than it's been sense. We had plenty of free trade with other global trading partners prior to 2001. It ain't FREE TRADE if the other side ain't FREE. I love buying shit from Japan, Mexico, Germany, Vietnam, etc. Fuck China.

So based on current and historical data, we don’t need a trade agreement with China, tariffs and trade wars are fucking stupid and free people in free markets will always win? That’s what I’ve been saying. Fuck China. The US with California has and will always win without this trumptardian protectionism, isolationism, and ridiculous “trade deal.”

I love how this dipshit thinks intellectual property theft is part of a "free market."

Just as He believes hiring no skilled fence jumpers for .30 on the dollar is free market as well.

SFGbob said:

CirrhosisDawg said:

SFGbob said:

CirrhosisDawg said:

YellowSnow said:

CirrhosisDawg said:

YellowSnow said:

CirrhosisDawg said:

UW_Doog_Bot said:

CirrhosisDawg said:

Doogles said:

Bleeding heart progressives should be demanding a quarantine of all Nations that utilize child slave labor in the global economy.

I spend 200 bucks on sneakers that cost 5 bucks to make. Surely there is some wiggle room here.

Jfc. @UW_Doog_Bot clean up on aisle 1.

I apologize since you’ve already addressed this once today. You are very good at explaining markets and micro economics.

In summation:

The Right: Free markets work best! Except internationally, we need to control international markets.

The Left: Free markets work best! Except domestically, we need to control domestic markets.

Doog_Bot: *sigh*

I'd Pinochet the lot of you if I didn't believe in the universality of human rights.

Also in summation, using government to control markets (through taxes, tariffs, and regulations) is futile and self-defeating in both international and domestic markets.

No matter how sanctimonious or self-righteous you are, you are not changing the laws of nature.

CD, I think we've got to quit over simplifying the free trade debate discussion. China is a much different animal when it comes our national interests, than, say opening up our markets to Japan or Germany which are both liberal democracies and close allies. Did you know that back in the 1980's when the domestic automakers were getting hammered by Japanese imports, we were able to reach an agreement with Japan where Toyota, HondoFS, etc started opening up plants in the US? They were a close ally and willing to work with us to save some jerbs in America. Hell, my wife's MDX is made by a bunch of cousin fuckers down in Bammer. China doesn't want to be cooperative because they are a mercantilist, dictatorship bent on displacing the US the the sole superpower.

So let’s pay more for consumer goods, destroy markets and undermine the 60 year old trade liberation infrastructure while trump sorts out a “deal” with “enforcement”?

Now hold on a second...

China entered the WTO in 2001. Average GDP growth per year in the US was way higher in the period 1945- 2001 than it's been sense. We had plenty of free trade with other global trading partners prior to 2001. It ain't FREE TRADE if the other side ain't FREE. I love buying shit from Japan, Mexico, Germany, Vietnam, etc. Fuck China.

So based on current and historical data, we don’t need a trade agreement with China, tariffs and trade wars are fucking stupid and free people in free markets will always win? That’s what I’ve been saying. Fuck China. The US with California has and will always win without this trumptardian protectionism, isolationism, and ridiculous “trade deal.”

I love how this dipshit thinks intellectual property theft is part of a "free market."

salemcoog said:

SFGbob said:

CirrhosisDawg said:

YellowSnow said:

CirrhosisDawg said:

YellowSnow said:

CirrhosisDawg said:

UW_Doog_Bot said:

CirrhosisDawg said:

Doogles said:

Bleeding heart progressives should be demanding a quarantine of all Nations that utilize child slave labor in the global economy.

I spend 200 bucks on sneakers that cost 5 bucks to make. Surely there is some wiggle room here.

Jfc. @UW_Doog_Bot clean up on aisle 1.

I apologize since you’ve already addressed this once today. You are very good at explaining markets and micro economics.

In summation:

The Right: Free markets work best! Except internationally, we need to control international markets.

The Left: Free markets work best! Except domestically, we need to control domestic markets.

Doog_Bot: *sigh*

I'd Pinochet the lot of you if I didn't believe in the universality of human rights.

Also in summation, using government to control markets (through taxes, tariffs, and regulations) is futile and self-defeating in both international and domestic markets.

No matter how sanctimonious or self-righteous you are, you are not changing the laws of nature.

CD, I think we've got to quit over simplifying the free trade debate discussion. China is a much different animal when it comes our national interests, than, say opening up our markets to Japan or Germany which are both liberal democracies and close allies. Did you know that back in the 1980's when the domestic automakers were getting hammered by Japanese imports, we were able to reach an agreement with Japan where Toyota, HondoFS, etc started opening up plants in the US? They were a close ally and willing to work with us to save some jerbs in America. Hell, my wife's MDX is made by a bunch of cousin fuckers down in Bammer. China doesn't want to be cooperative because they are a mercantilist, dictatorship bent on displacing the US the the sole superpower.

So let’s pay more for consumer goods, destroy markets and undermine the 60 year old trade liberation infrastructure while trump sorts out a “deal” with “enforcement”?

Now hold on a second...

China entered the WTO in 2001. Average GDP growth per year in the US was way higher in the period 1945- 2001 than it's been sense. We had plenty of free trade with other global trading partners prior to 2001. It ain't FREE TRADE if the other side ain't FREE. I love buying shit from Japan, Mexico, Germany, Vietnam, etc. Fuck China.

So based on current and historical data, we don’t need a trade agreement with China, tariffs and trade wars are fucking stupid and free people in free markets will always win? That’s what I’ve been saying. Fuck China. The US with California has and will always win without this trumptardian protectionism, isolationism, and ridiculous “trade deal.”

I love how this dipshit thinks intellectual property theft is part of a "free market."

Just as He believes hiring no skilled fence jumpers for .30 on the dollar is free market as well.

Just as we see who is unable to compete in a free market without tariffs and protectionism.

Just as we see a fucking moron with his canned response that doesn't address anything I said.

Let see how well you compete Kunt when all your proprietary secrets and capital are stolen.

You're such a fucking fraud.

SFGbob said:

CirrhosisDawg said:

SFGbob said:

CirrhosisDawg said:

SFGbob said:

CirrhosisDawg said:

YellowSnow said:

CirrhosisDawg said:

YellowSnow said:

CirrhosisDawg said:

UW_Doog_Bot said:

CirrhosisDawg said:

Doogles said:

Bleeding heart progressives should be demanding a quarantine of all Nations that utilize child slave labor in the global economy.

I spend 200 bucks on sneakers that cost 5 bucks to make. Surely there is some wiggle room here.

Jfc. @UW_Doog_Bot clean up on aisle 1.

I apologize since you’ve already addressed this once today. You are very good at explaining markets and micro economics.

In summation:

The Right: Free markets work best! Except internationally, we need to control international markets.

The Left: Free markets work best! Except domestically, we need to control domestic markets.

Doog_Bot: *sigh*

I'd Pinochet the lot of you if I didn't believe in the universality of human rights.

Also in summation, using government to control markets (through taxes, tariffs, and regulations) is futile and self-defeating in both international and domestic markets.

No matter how sanctimonious or self-righteous you are, you are not changing the laws of nature.

CD, I think we've got to quit over simplifying the free trade debate discussion. China is a much different animal when it comes our national interests, than, say opening up our markets to Japan or Germany which are both liberal democracies and close allies. Did you know that back in the 1980's when the domestic automakers were getting hammered by Japanese imports, we were able to reach an agreement with Japan where Toyota, HondoFS, etc started opening up plants in the US? They were a close ally and willing to work with us to save some jerbs in America. Hell, my wife's MDX is made by a bunch of cousin fuckers down in Bammer. China doesn't want to be cooperative because they are a mercantilist, dictatorship bent on displacing the US the the sole superpower.

So let’s pay more for consumer goods, destroy markets and undermine the 60 year old trade liberation infrastructure while trump sorts out a “deal” with “enforcement”?

Now hold on a second...

China entered the WTO in 2001. Average GDP growth per year in the US was way higher in the period 1945- 2001 than it's been sense. We had plenty of free trade with other global trading partners prior to 2001. It ain't FREE TRADE if the other side ain't FREE. I love buying shit from Japan, Mexico, Germany, Vietnam, etc. Fuck China.

So based on current and historical data, we don’t need a trade agreement with China, tariffs and trade wars are fucking stupid and free people in free markets will always win? That’s what I’ve been saying. Fuck China. The US with California has and will always win without this trumptardian protectionism, isolationism, and ridiculous “trade deal.”

I love how this dipshit thinks intellectual property theft is part of a "free market."

salemcoog said:

SFGbob said:

CirrhosisDawg said:

YellowSnow said:

CirrhosisDawg said:

YellowSnow said:

CirrhosisDawg said:

UW_Doog_Bot said:

CirrhosisDawg said:

Doogles said:

Bleeding heart progressives should be demanding a quarantine of all Nations that utilize child slave labor in the global economy.

I spend 200 bucks on sneakers that cost 5 bucks to make. Surely there is some wiggle room here.

Jfc. @UW_Doog_Bot clean up on aisle 1.

I apologize since you’ve already addressed this once today. You are very good at explaining markets and micro economics.

In summation:

The Right: Free markets work best! Except internationally, we need to control international markets.

The Left: Free markets work best! Except domestically, we need to control domestic markets.

Doog_Bot: *sigh*

I'd Pinochet the lot of you if I didn't believe in the universality of human rights.

Also in summation, using government to control markets (through taxes, tariffs, and regulations) is futile and self-defeating in both international and domestic markets.

No matter how sanctimonious or self-righteous you are, you are not changing the laws of nature.

CD, I think we've got to quit over simplifying the free trade debate discussion. China is a much different animal when it comes our national interests, than, say opening up our markets to Japan or Germany which are both liberal democracies and close allies. Did you know that back in the 1980's when the domestic automakers were getting hammered by Japanese imports, we were able to reach an agreement with Japan where Toyota, HondoFS, etc started opening up plants in the US? They were a close ally and willing to work with us to save some jerbs in America. Hell, my wife's MDX is made by a bunch of cousin fuckers down in Bammer. China doesn't want to be cooperative because they are a mercantilist, dictatorship bent on displacing the US the the sole superpower.

So let’s pay more for consumer goods, destroy markets and undermine the 60 year old trade liberation infrastructure while trump sorts out a “deal” with “enforcement”?

Now hold on a second...

China entered the WTO in 2001. Average GDP growth per year in the US was way higher in the period 1945- 2001 than it's been sense. We had plenty of free trade with other global trading partners prior to 2001. It ain't FREE TRADE if the other side ain't FREE. I love buying shit from Japan, Mexico, Germany, Vietnam, etc. Fuck China.

So based on current and historical data, we don’t need a trade agreement with China, tariffs and trade wars are fucking stupid and free people in free markets will always win? That’s what I’ve been saying. Fuck China. The US with California has and will always win without this trumptardian protectionism, isolationism, and ridiculous “trade deal.”

I love how this dipshit thinks intellectual property theft is part of a "free market."

Just as He believes hiring no skilled fence jumpers for .30 on the dollar is free market as well.

Just as we see who is unable to compete in a free market without tariffs and protectionism.

Just as we see a fucking moron with his canned response that doesn't address anything I said.

Let see how well you compete Kunt when all your proprietary secrets and capital are stolen.

You're such a fucking fraud.

You’re such a fucking victim.

What do you mean Kunt? I'm just advocating that you compete under the same standards you're proposing for everyone else. What the matter Kunt ? Can't you compete? All of your pricing and investment strategies and vehicles should be made public knowledge and every few months there should be a raid on your financial accounts where a 1/3 or half of your capital is stolen.

What's the matter Kunt? Can't you compete or are you just a fucking victim?


You're a fucking ignorant fraud with a fucking big mouth.

UW_Doog_Bot said:

Guys, it's Friday, go have a drink already. Or if you are Damone, have another drink at the bar.

CirrhosisDawg said:

SFGbob said:

Fucking pussy can't compete. Come on Kunt make public all your bank account information and investment strategies, all your client information should all be made public as well.

I am not the one begging the federal government for help and protection. That would be you.

SFGbob said:

CirrhosisDawg said:

SFGbob said:

Fucking pussy can't compete. Come on Kunt make public all your bank account information and investment strategies, all your client information should all be made public as well.

I am not the one begging the federal government for help and protection. That would be you.

I'm actually not. I don't work in an industry that is subject to much Chinese IP theft but many of our clients are. And not being a asswhole dumbfuck I know that just because my business isn't a target, China's cheating and thievery hurts the entire economy, especially the tech sector.

It's not a question of being able compete but you're dumb as dog shit and you have about three canned responses you try an shoe horn into every situation.

So here's your chance to back up your mouth Kunt. Put your business in the same situation that tech and manufacturing companies are in. Let hackers and thieves have at your financial accounts and proprietary information and then lets see how well you fucking compete.


You'd be crying like the fucking mouthy little bitch you are.

CirrhosisDawg said:

SFGbob said:

CirrhosisDawg said:

SFGbob said:

Fucking pussy can't compete. Come on Kunt make public all your bank account information and investment strategies, all your client information should all be made public as well.

I am not the one begging the federal government for help and protection. That would be you.

I'm actually not. I don't work in an industry that is subject to much Chinese IP theft but many of our clients are. And not being a asswhole dumbfuck I know that just because my business isn't a target, China's cheating and thievery hurts the entire economy, especially the tech sector.

It's not a question of being able compete but you're dumb as dog shit and you have about three canned responses you try an shoe horn into every situation.

So here's your chance to back up your mouth Kunt. Put your business in the same situation that tech and manufacturing companies are in. Let hackers and thieves have at your financial accounts and proprietary information and then lets see how well you fucking compete.

You'd be crying like the fucking mouthy little bitch you are.

You’ve got a lot grievances Bob. What’s next? Are you going to ask for reparations? Damages? Criminal and civil penalties? Not for you of course. Your “clients.” Any other nationalities requiring the backhand from your grievances?

CirrhosisDawg said:

RaceBannon said:

creepycoug said:

UW_Doog_Bot said:

Benny, how would you address these problems with China alternatively though? The simple fact is that they need our market a lot more than we need theirs. Supply chains are already moving away from China as cheap labor dries up and as the population begins to age. Vietnam, India, etc. Opening our markets to them(which once upon a time I believed in) has failed to do anything other than create a neo-facist almost super power in the world.

Sorry not sorry, a little short term pain for American consumers is a small price to pay to avoid a world dominated by the CCP. It's definitely preferable to world war 3 nuclear bugaloo. Happy to hear the alternative method to bring the CCP to heel that's better. Convince me and I'll advocate for that.

I mean, that's it right there. That's the point of it.

Like Trump, hate Trump, whatever Trump. Whomever is making a play to solve this, you can only evaluate the play after you ask yourself two questions: (1) is there anything about our economic relationship with the Chinese that's long-term detrimental to American interests (I assume we all agree "yes" here); and (2) what levers do we? have to pull?

I am not a Trump guy, and I don't reflexively respond to Tuff talk and bravado. But taking a hard line with China, now, as opposed to when we need them more than they need us, is not the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

Recognize, too, that there is a Yuge cultural issue here. We walk, talk and act like Western Europeans. We understand each other for obvious reasons and can thus appeal to each other's sense of fairness, right, wrong, etc. When someone from Western Europe is fucking you, he knows he's fucking you, and he knows you know that he knows.

The Chinese are a different animal. I've dealt with their import bureaucracy and layers and layers of "agents" whom you need to hire to get you from the dock to their markets. Everybody has their hand out there, and what we consider dishonesty is a routine day at the office for them. They're different. Not better or worse, but different. For that reason, I've always been as cynical about talking shit out with them as I was about Trumpy's chances with fatboy. Ain't gonna work. You gotta him 'em where it hurts. This is a population of people who can still remember what it's like to starve. This isn't about diplomacy. It's free market economis. You do what you're in a position to do, and you take what you're in a position to have to take. It's that simple.

It's not personally Sonny. It's just business.

This is the kind of issue that gets people to quietly pull the lever for Trump next time

The vote of shame and failure.

creepycoug said:

salemcoog said:

SFGbob said:

CirrhosisDawg said:

YellowSnow said:

CirrhosisDawg said:

YellowSnow said:

CirrhosisDawg said:

UW_Doog_Bot said:

CirrhosisDawg said:

Doogles said:

Bleeding heart progressives should be demanding a quarantine of all Nations that utilize child slave labor in the global economy.

I spend 200 bucks on sneakers that cost 5 bucks to make. Surely there is some wiggle room here.

Jfc. @UW_Doog_Bot clean up on aisle 1.

I apologize since you’ve already addressed this once today. You are very good at explaining markets and micro economics.

In summation:

The Right: Free markets work best! Except internationally, we need to control international markets.

The Left: Free markets work best! Except domestically, we need to control domestic markets.

Doog_Bot: *sigh*

I'd Pinochet the lot of you if I didn't believe in the universality of human rights.

Also in summation, using government to control markets (through taxes, tariffs, and regulations) is futile and self-defeating in both international and domestic markets.

No matter how sanctimonious or self-righteous you are, you are not changing the laws of nature.

CD, I think we've got to quit over simplifying the free trade debate discussion. China is a much different animal when it comes our national interests, than, say opening up our markets to Japan or Germany which are both liberal democracies and close allies. Did you know that back in the 1980's when the domestic automakers were getting hammered by Japanese imports, we were able to reach an agreement with Japan where Toyota, HondoFS, etc started opening up plants in the US? They were a close ally and willing to work with us to save some jerbs in America. Hell, my wife's MDX is made by a bunch of cousin fuckers down in Bammer. China doesn't want to be cooperative because they are a mercantilist, dictatorship bent on displacing the US the the sole superpower.

So let’s pay more for consumer goods, destroy markets and undermine the 60 year old trade liberation infrastructure while trump sorts out a “deal” with “enforcement”?

Now hold on a second...

China entered the WTO in 2001. Average GDP growth per year in the US was way higher in the period 1945- 2001 than it's been sense. We had plenty of free trade with other global trading partners prior to 2001. It ain't FREE TRADE if the other side ain't FREE. I love buying shit from Japan, Mexico, Germany, Vietnam, etc. Fuck China.

So based on current and historical data, we don’t need a trade agreement with China, tariffs and trade wars are fucking stupid and free people in free markets will always win? That’s what I’ve been saying. Fuck China. The US with California has and will always win without this trumptardian protectionism, isolationism, and ridiculous “trade deal.”

I love how this dipshit thinks intellectual property theft is part of a "free market."

Just as He believes hiring no skilled fence jumpers for .30 on the dollar is free market as well.

That is free market. The opposite of that is China.