someone explain to me why Bush Hamdan should be our OC
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Pretty much.Dennis_DeYoung said:
Sounds like we are working harder than ever. Offseason Natty contention official.DoogCourics said:Agree with pretty much all takes here.
The one thing that has me hopeful is that as soon as the season was over, Pete talked about the fact that the offense didn’t score enough and it needed to be simplified.
Then before spring ball Bush said that at times he called the game too conservatively and wanted to lean on the defense, and that he realized it in turn hurt the team.
Then during spring Adams has flat out said 3 times that the WR need to block their asses off and those who don’t won’t play, and that he is trying to get them in the mindset of attacking all the time.
Put it all together and it seems like their is an understanding that things need to change and quickly. More simple, less conservative, more attacking.
But it’s better than going back to watch some film and make sure we understand ourselves better, aka, the offense works and it doesn’t need changes we just need to execute it better. -
MisterEm said:
I was front row for that horseshit with @Gladstone and DDY. Even a 9-year old Madden gamer knows that shit would never work.Doogles said:Browning speed option at the goal line started the bender that sent me to rehab. Thanks Bush!
Now I am fucking triggered again. Thanks.
You're triggered? I haven't had scotch and blow in 7 months fuck you!MisterEm said:
I was front row for that horseshit with @Gladstone and DDY. Even a 9-year old Madden gamer knows that shit would never work.Doogles said:Browning speed option at the goal line started the bender that sent me to rehab. Thanks Bush!
Now I am fucking triggered again. Thanks. -
You all got what you asked for. That's why. I wanted Helfrich.
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how the fuck did you rise out of the ashesStrongArmCobra said:You all got what you asked for. That's why. I wanted Helfrich.
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Like a one-legged, autistic 6'6" phoenix?Pitchfork51 said:
how the fuck did you rise out of the ashesStrongArmCobra said:You all got what you asked for. That's why. I wanted Helfrich.
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Those black uniforms sucked and we deserved to lose for wearing them.TTJ said:
It's hard.PostGameOrangeSlices said:I get it's hard to quantify how much difference Tedford made, but when he is not burnt out in Berkeley he is a good coach. Look at how fast he turned around Fresno, and his early Cal offenses. It cant hurt to have someone like that giving their opinion on the offense. Tedford had success as a P5 coach, his hiring made a ton of sense. What had Bush and Smith done to warrant being named OC?
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Gladstone said:
Those black uniforms sucked and we deserved to lose for wearing them.TTJ said:
It's hard.PostGameOrangeSlices said:I get it's hard to quantify how much difference Tedford made, but when he is not burnt out in Berkeley he is a good coach. Look at how fast he turned around Fresno, and his early Cal offenses. It cant hurt to have someone like that giving their opinion on the offense. Tedford had success as a P5 coach, his hiring made a ton of sense. What had Bush and Smith done to warrant being named OC?
The black uniforms cost us a winnable matchup with Clemson or Ohio State, at a west coast venue, and a shot at the national championship.
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Agreed. Now that the Browning Sanctions are off, we might have a QB that rates slightly above retarded and self-destructive. LIPO.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Shout out to @WilburHooksHands who called it that we would hate Bush at some point.PostGameOrangeSlices said:Dennis_DeYoung said:I'm willing to give it one more year and I give him some slack because of his work with the WRs in 2016 - that was incredible.
But so far, his recruiting has been shit and his offense has been beyond shit. I've heard he hated Jake, so we shall see..
The UW program that last 2 years was capable of winning the NY6 games but hamstrung by playcalling. Athletically, UW mostly belonged.
Pete saw the light in 2016 and brought in proven, tenured Tedford and the results were good. Smith and Bush were/are projects. Neither had the resume to back up the hiring. Which pretty much proves they are just Petersen yes men.
Bush is 100% project and should be viewed through that lens. I also think there was tons of issues between him and "general on the field" browning with the playcalling.
I'm willing to LIPO to see if his playcalling improves and to see whathisPetermen's offense looks like with a real QB that is on board and willing to let it rip. -
Who are you and what have you done with angry DDY?Dennis_DeYoung said:
I totally agree.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
The funny thing about this is, while true, the offense was better when Browning let the noodle rip. Our WRs can make plays on the ball.Dennis_DeYoung said:
Our offense basically eliminated Jake from it as much as possible down the stretch.GrundleStiltzkin said:
For the same reason we(!) hated Jake, or because Jake couldn't cover up his deficiencies.Dennis_DeYoung said:I'm willing to give it one more year and I give him some slack because of his work with the WRs in 2016 - that was incredible.
But so far, his recruiting has been shit and his offense has been beyond shit. I've heard he hated Jake, so we shall see..
Browning, while not elite physically, had a mental gap. It was like he was conditioned to only throw to wide open receivers until UW was already behind and desperate. We actually moved the ball last year passing downfield. In the conference champ game Browning threw maybe one pass over 10 yards.
Things I hate Jake for: fumbling on critical downs, taking sacks at key times, throwing pick sixes in playoff games, general brown-socksing.
Things I don't hate Jake for: being indecisive with the ball, being overly cautious. Before last year I tormented Coker with the reality that Jake and Cyler were very similar players. Both had insane cases of brain lock. That, to me, pointed to Pete's dog shit offense as the primary issue.
His best half of football is when he let the noodle rip as you have so poetically noted.
Jake sucked physically and so a lot of his balls were late and his deep ball game post John "I'm 24 feet ahead of the DB" Ross was non-existent... but it's clear that our offense produces QB brain lock.
One thing I will say in Bush's favor (I guess?) is that Pete's offenses have been total dog shit since Kellen Moore left. At first people thought Bobby Prince was the problem. Babushka got hired then... we were dog shit.
The only time our offense wasn't dog shit was when Tedford was here. It was strangely immediate how his departure affected us?.
What I have heard this spring is that they want the QB to let it rip and they are simplifying things. That's what I've heard.
But it's important to note that I think unless there's a total revamp, I bet we slide back into our old habits of making the QB play matrix ball...
One of the things that isn't appreciated enough is that Mike Leach's "insurgent warfare" (aka terrorism) strategies is about David going against Goliath. When you have better athletes you want the offense LESS complicated.
Pete undoubtedly thinks of himself as David and not Goliath and his fucktard Kellen Moore PhD-level offense was about outsmarting other teams, not beating the shit out of them. It worked when he had Kellen Moore. Never since.
I think he had success and he got stuck trying to recreate that. I'm hopeful he'll see the light with Skinny and that the reports are true that he'll let it rip a bit.
I'm never concerned our players won't be well coached... the scheme on O has always been the issue. -
Cyler Miles, Jeff Lindquist, KJ Magna Carta, Troy Williams, Bridge-Gadd, and Jake Browning all sucked at QB (
Babushka and Bush have both sucked at creating an offense that correctly fits with the QBs tallents, developing the QBs on the roster, or recruiting a QB that can do what they want.
Pete sucks because he let it all happen.
The only time the offense looked ok was with Ross and Pettis at WRs (NFL), Dissly dawg at TE (NFL), Gaskin at RB (NFL), and Tedford telling the coaches what to do. If that is what it takes to have a slightly above average offense, we are fucked. -
The only modicum of praise I will give the offense the past five years: the WTE packages. Real smashmouth no bullshit that we should’ve went to a lot more but always seem to have success when we did. Think WSU 2017 in the rain.
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3 TE smash mouth with Gaskin runs and PA passes to Bryant and others would have made the team damn near unbeatable.Gladstone said:The only modicum of praise I will give the offense the past five years: the WTE packages. Real smashmouth no bullshit that we should’ve went to a lot more but always seem to have success when we did. Think WSU 2017 in the rain.
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It’s weird that we all know that and Bush didn’t.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
3 TE smash mouth with Gaskin runs and PA passes to Bryant and others would have made the team damn near unbeatable.Gladstone said:The only modicum of praise I will give the offense the past five years: the WTE packages. Real smashmouth no bullshit that we should’ve went to a lot more but always seem to have success when we did. Think WSU 2017 in the rain.
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I would run 3TE every play until someone stops it.
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Gladstone said:
The only modicum of praise I will give the offense the past five years: the WTE packages. Real smashmouth no bullshit that we should’ve went to a lot more but always seem to have success when we did. Think WSU 2017 in the rain.
PostGameOrangeSlices said:
3 TE smash mouth with Gaskin runs and PA passes to Bryant and others would have made the team damn near unbeatable.CuntWaffle said:I would run 3TE every play until someone stops it.
UW_Doog_Bot said:FUCKING THIS. Our offense should be easy to fucking call now that we are in the top of the conference talent wise. Fucking run down hill, force them to stop the run, and then huck the fucking football over the top of their heads. If Pete Carroll's dumb ass can figure out that works when you have more talent than the other team Pete should be able to.
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Ill send Pete and Bush an outlook calendar invite to sit down with the HH offensive braintrustUW_Doog_Bot said:Gladstone said:The only modicum of praise I will give the offense the past five years: the WTE packages. Real smashmouth no bullshit that we should’ve went to a lot more but always seem to have success when we did. Think WSU 2017 in the rain.
PostGameOrangeSlices said:
3 TE smash mouth with Gaskin runs and PA passes to Bryant and others would have made the team damn near unbeatable.CuntWaffle said:I would run 3TE every play until someone stops it.
UW_Doog_Bot said:FUCKING THIS. Our offense should be easy to fucking call now that we are in the top of the conference talent wise. Fucking run down hill, force them to stop the run, and then huck the fucking football over the top of their heads. If Pete Carroll's dumb ass can figure out that works when you have more talent than the other team Pete should be able to.
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CuntWaffle said:
I would run 3TE every play until someone stops it.
Why make the other team stop you, when you can stop yourself by switching to 5 wide sets inexplicably? Ever think of that? There is a reason you guys are saying this shit on a message board and the coaches are out there coaching -
Lets offer him $500K a year above what Fresno is paying him, to come be our OC.Houhusky said:
The only time the offense looked ok was with Ross and Pettis at WRs (NFL), Dissly dawg at TE (NFL), Gaskin at RB (NFL), and Tedford telling the coaches what to do. If that is what it takes to have a slightly above average offense, we are fucked. -
Why do people think Tedford was an improvement? 13 points against SC at home. With a pick in their redzone and a flukey td.
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Tedford left before the USC game (hired at Fresno 11/10, USC game was on 11/12), and Tedford coached the coaches. He pretty much told Smiff what to do and, without him, we had our worst performance of the year.haie said:Why do people think Tedford was an improvement? 13 points against SC at home. With a pick in their redzone and a flukey td.
With Tedford, we averaged 48.3 ppg, had a 9-0 record, and Browning had 38 TDs to 3 INTs (without Tedford, Browning was 55 TDs to 21 INTs). -
Thanks for proving my point.haie said:Why do people think Tedford was an improvement? 13 points against SC at home. With a pick in their redzone and a flukey td.
Our dropoff started right after he left.
Do people even remember how much we fucking dominated both Oregon and Stanford with Tedford here? -
Jesus.
Lit up a shit Stanford and ultra shit Oregon.
Underwhelmed in the desert that year. Underwhelmed against Colorado, ASU as well. Lit up wazzu which we do in our sleep anyways.
There is no proof Tedford did anything other than be one of many to tell Jake to get Ross the ball.
All 5 years have been different shades of diarrhea. It's a Pete thing not a Ted thing you fuck heads. -
That was a win.haie said:Jesus.
Lit up a shit Stanford
Also a win.haie said:and ultra shit Oregon.
Another win.haie said:Underwhelmed in the desert that year.
Win.haie said:Underwhelmed against Colorado,
Win.haie said:ASU as well.
Win.haie said:Lit up wazzu which we do in our sleep anyways.
Why are you complaining that we blew the fuck out of most of the teams in 2016? Who cares if we beat an ultra shit Oregon 70-21? Were you expecting 700-21? -
Because our offense was shit against talented teams, same as 2017 and 2018.whatshouldicareabout said:
That was a win.haie said:Jesus.
Lit up a shit Stanford
Also a win.haie said:and ultra shit Oregon.
Another win.haie said:Underwhelmed in the desert that year.
Win.haie said:Underwhelmed against Colorado,
Win.haie said:ASU as well.
Win.haie said:Lit up wazzu which we do in our sleep anyways.
Why are you complaining that we blew the fuck out of most of the teams in 2016? Who cares if we beat an ultra shit Oregon 70-21? Were you expecting 700-21?
People bring up Tedford with the difference being...? Shitting ourselves at ASU, Stanford in 2017? Shitting ourselves at Cal in 2018?
Stats are for losers, and the offense wasn't much better in 2016. No one coaching the offense over the last 5 years has been good, or even decent. -
We didn't lose to shit teams with Tedford around. We went 9-0 which is pretty much what you ask for in a football team.haie said:
Because our offense was shit against talented teams, same as 2017 and 2018.whatshouldicareabout said:
That was a win.haie said:Jesus.
Lit up a shit Stanford
Also a win.haie said:and ultra shit Oregon.
Another win.haie said:Underwhelmed in the desert that year.
Win.haie said:Underwhelmed against Colorado,
Win.haie said:ASU as well.
Win.haie said:Lit up wazzu which we do in our sleep anyways.
Why are you complaining that we blew the fuck out of most of the teams in 2016? Who cares if we beat an ultra shit Oregon 70-21? Were you expecting 700-21?
People bring up Tedford with the difference being...? Shitting ourselves at ASU, Stanford in 2017? Shitting ourselves at Cal in 2018?
Stats are for losers, and the offense wasn't much better in 2016. No one coaching the offense over the last 5 years has been good, or even decent.
Offense wasn't much better in 2016? We had 48.3 ppg with Tedford.
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We racked up points against losers and still lost to Porter Gustin.whatshouldicareabout said:
We didn't lose to shit teams with Tedford around. We went 9-0 which is pretty much what you ask for in a football team.haie said:
Because our offense was shit against talented teams, same as 2017 and 2018.whatshouldicareabout said:
That was a win.haie said:Jesus.
Lit up a shit Stanford
Also a win.haie said:and ultra shit Oregon.
Another win.haie said:Underwhelmed in the desert that year.
Win.haie said:Underwhelmed against Colorado,
Win.haie said:ASU as well.
Win.haie said:Lit up wazzu which we do in our sleep anyways.
Why are you complaining that we blew the fuck out of most of the teams in 2016? Who cares if we beat an ultra shit Oregon 70-21? Were you expecting 700-21?
People bring up Tedford with the difference being...? Shitting ourselves at ASU, Stanford in 2017? Shitting ourselves at Cal in 2018?
Stats are for losers, and the offense wasn't much better in 2016. No one coaching the offense over the last 5 years has been good, or even decent.
Offense wasn't much better in 2016? We had 48.3 ppg with Tedford.
Are you this fucking stupid?
Yes, I am. -
You are bitching about Tedford being a bad coach and you cite games that he wasn't even around for as why he's a bad coach.haie said:
We racked up points against losers and still lost to Porter Gustin.whatshouldicareabout said:
We didn't lose to shit teams with Tedford around. We went 9-0 which is pretty much what you ask for in a football team.haie said:
Because our offense was shit against talented teams, same as 2017 and 2018.whatshouldicareabout said:
That was a win.haie said:Jesus.
Lit up a shit Stanford
Also a win.haie said:and ultra shit Oregon.
Another win.haie said:Underwhelmed in the desert that year.
Win.haie said:Underwhelmed against Colorado,
Win.haie said:ASU as well.
Win.haie said:Lit up wazzu which we do in our sleep anyways.
Why are you complaining that we blew the fuck out of most of the teams in 2016? Who cares if we beat an ultra shit Oregon 70-21? Were you expecting 700-21?
People bring up Tedford with the difference being...? Shitting ourselves at ASU, Stanford in 2017? Shitting ourselves at Cal in 2018?
Stats are for losers, and the offense wasn't much better in 2016. No one coaching the offense over the last 5 years has been good, or even decent.
Offense wasn't much better in 2016? We had 48.3 ppg with Tedford.
Are you this fucking stupid?
Yes, I am.
You're a worse poster than Ballz. -
Let's not get carried awaywhatshouldicareabout said:
You are bitching about Tedford being a bad coach and you cite games that he wasn't even around for as why he's a bad coach.haie said:
We racked up points against losers and still lost to Porter Gustin.whatshouldicareabout said:
We didn't lose to shit teams with Tedford around. We went 9-0 which is pretty much what you ask for in a football team.haie said:
Because our offense was shit against talented teams, same as 2017 and 2018.whatshouldicareabout said:
That was a win.haie said:Jesus.
Lit up a shit Stanford
Also a win.haie said:and ultra shit Oregon.
Another win.haie said:Underwhelmed in the desert that year.
Win.haie said:Underwhelmed against Colorado,
Win.haie said:ASU as well.
Win.haie said:Lit up wazzu which we do in our sleep anyways.
Why are you complaining that we blew the fuck out of most of the teams in 2016? Who cares if we beat an ultra shit Oregon 70-21? Were you expecting 700-21?
People bring up Tedford with the difference being...? Shitting ourselves at ASU, Stanford in 2017? Shitting ourselves at Cal in 2018?
Stats are for losers, and the offense wasn't much better in 2016. No one coaching the offense over the last 5 years has been good, or even decent.
Offense wasn't much better in 2016? We had 48.3 ppg with Tedford.
Are you this fucking stupid?
Yes, I am.
You're a worse poster than Ballz. -
They are paranoid. Do the obvious shit that works and then they're not smarter than the rest of us.Dennis_DeYoung said:
It’s weird that we all know that and Bush didn’t.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
3 TE smash mouth with Gaskin runs and PA passes to Bryant and others would have made the team damn near unbeatable.Gladstone said:The only modicum of praise I will give the offense the past five years: the WTE packages. Real smashmouth no bullshit that we should’ve went to a lot more but always seem to have success when we did. Think WSU 2017 in the rain.
Coaches overthink everything. -
You are bitching about some magical Fresno fucking consultant aura that made the offense so much better before we actually played against some talent? Fuck off.whatshouldicareabout said:
You are bitching about Tedford being a bad coach and you cite games that he wasn't even around for as why he's a bad coach.haie said:
We racked up points against losers and still lost to Porter Gustin.whatshouldicareabout said:
We didn't lose to shit teams with Tedford around. We went 9-0 which is pretty much what you ask for in a football team.haie said:
Because our offense was shit against talented teams, same as 2017 and 2018.whatshouldicareabout said:
That was a win.haie said:Jesus.
Lit up a shit Stanford
Also a win.haie said:and ultra shit Oregon.
Another win.haie said:Underwhelmed in the desert that year.
Win.haie said:Underwhelmed against Colorado,
Win.haie said:ASU as well.
Win.haie said:Lit up wazzu which we do in our sleep anyways.
Why are you complaining that we blew the fuck out of most of the teams in 2016? Who cares if we beat an ultra shit Oregon 70-21? Were you expecting 700-21?
People bring up Tedford with the difference being...? Shitting ourselves at ASU, Stanford in 2017? Shitting ourselves at Cal in 2018?
Stats are for losers, and the offense wasn't much better in 2016. No one coaching the offense over the last 5 years has been good, or even decent.
Offense wasn't much better in 2016? We had 48.3 ppg with Tedford.
Are you this fucking stupid?
Yes, I am.
You're a worse poster than Ballz.
