Confirmed: White liberals hate white people

creepycoug said:

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creepycoug said:

Bendintheriver said:

I will always maintain that it is born of guilt. They subconsciously hate the part of themselves that is clearly racist. They only see color and physical attributes , people who don't look like them, which makes them racist. With others, color or ethnicity doesn't register as they use personality and aura to judge a person by. The latter don't have that guilt and don't believe things such as black people are to stupid to know how to get ID to vote or that they (the guilty white liberals) are qualified to judge how many Asians, African Americans, Hispanic or Caucasian need to be accepted to liberal institutions of learning. They are guilty white liberals full of narcissism and elitism, they will determine how the races are to be divided and rewarded in our society and for that they give themselves pats on the back and feel good about themselves. They turn their racism into more racism and somehow it gives them a chubby for doing so.

this narrative of the secretly racist, ill-intentioned and self-loathing white person has become hackneyed, especially so in today's political climate. I'm sorry. I know it won't be my big upvote day, but IDRGAF. I know lots of people on all points of the political spectrum. Most of the card-carrying liberals I know well do not believe minorities are stupid, but rather REALLY buy into the idea of the cumulative effects of years of those demographics getting the shit end of the stick. Jim Crow isn't a problem that went away 100 years ago. The country was incredibly racist, and not just in the south, and not that very long ago. It's not the most absurd thing anyone has ever come up with.

yeah, I know there are assholes out there who hide behind liberal politics to mask a more malevolent view of the minority in America. my experience, and it's not inconsiderable, is that they are the exception to the rule.

now don't go twistin' with Kim. I'm not saying that I necessarily agree with classic liberal approaches to trying to "fix" old problems. by and large, I don't. I think affirmative action early on had its place, but I also have huge issues with it and think it's more harmful than helpful in the long run. but I don't know a single white supporter of affirmative action who is really just a racist in sheep's clothing. that's mostly bullshit.

That's kind of always the elitist liberal rub though, minorities who don't vote the way they "should" just don't know any better because of systematic racist oppression. Sorry Creep, there's no room for you to be a minority and hold conservative beliefs of your own volition. Saw plenty of this with the Bernie crowd discounting Hillary being more popular with the black democratic primary voters. It's because "they didn't know any better" that they didn't vote for Bernie.


Lifted from a liberal bored I used to participate in during the last Dem primaries. Lol at the thought that it isn't at least mildly racist.



Also see H's racist meltdown over black "props" of the right.

The trouble with liberal racism is that it's all veiled in the language of political correctness.

Don't get me wrong. I know these things exist on a spectrum, and people acting in a political context will not infrequently marginalize those who they think don't "see the light." Totally agree. But my contention is that, by and large, racism is not a necessary component to that way of thinking. It's a fun narrative that fans the flames; I just don't believe it to be the case as an empirical matter in most instances.

This plays a little into that debate I had with Bob relating to the use of "Uncle Tom". I would posit that, if you were black and lived in Alabama in the Jim Crow era and were voting for segregationist politicians, you were on the wrong team. If you were a slave and weren't for Lincoln and the Union, you probably needed some tutoring from some fucking body. It's just an opinion if I say, "you're a dumbshit if you support David Duke and you're black." Not because I think the black guy is inherently a dumbshit because he's black; but because I think anyone, of any race, who so directly acts against their own interests isn't smart, or at least isn't being very smart in that instance.

It's a much cloudier issue today, I'll grant you that. But even the liberals I know who call out, or question, black or other minority people for being conservative aren't really, or necessarily, racists in the sense that they think that the person is dumb because he's black, or because as a black person he lacks the agency to think and feel however he wishes. It is ultimately rooted in this idea that as a black person he's still on the short-end of things in our society and he ought to support people who advocate for better rules to the game. Again, as I said, it's entirely debatable whether those who (arguably) mean to help are actually helping. That's another debate.

But I get it. It's victim mentality and on some level it does philosophically deprive the black person of the agency to think however he wants. But keep in mind, white people do this with other white people too. We saw it in the last election. "Why are you voting for him? You should be voting for her." That tends to be based more on class and cultural issues, but there you have it. It's just a different expression of the "wrong team" mentality.

To be clear: I believe there are racists who hide behind political correctness. But I also think that's the exception, not the rule. I tend to think, say, that the faculty at UW who taught me how to think have their hearts in the right place and are not secretly racists and don't secretly think that black people inherently can't take care of themselves. They think, or entirely buy in, to the idea that social structures, subtle and otherwise, have put them at a severe disadvantage. They may be wrong in that belief, but it doesn't make them racists.