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  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 33,181

    Amazing how you butcher basic history of the Clinton administration even when that history aligns with your racist anti-welfare state political values.

    My mistake was misremembering that you only included medicaid and not medicare in your bullshit welfare spending went up claim. And then you lied about saying medicaid was a welfare program and got called out on it. To no one’s surprise.

    You’d think you’d stop digging such an enormous crater but here we are.
    Now what I actually said:

    This is just welfare expenses, it doesn't include Medicaid which is another form of Welfare

    1993 Clinton's first year in office Welfare expenditures were were a little under $146B. In 2000, Clinton's last year in office Welfare spent $171B. They gutted it!!!!!


    Would you like to tell your lie again? The $171 Billion dollar figure I gave doesn't include spending on Medicaid, which is exactly what I told you at the time. And it didn't say anything about Medicare which was a flat-out fucking lie on your part.
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 33,181
    Also don't forget that the $171 Billion in welfare spending was on a welfare population that had shrunk dramatically on account of the booming economy and welfare reform, you had millions of people leaving the welfare rolls and finding work and yet the spending on Welfare which this Kunt claims was "gutted" still increased by $25 Billion dollars.

    Now, tell us why welfare reform is racists Kunt?
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    SFGbob said:

    Translation: Hey every look at me everybody I'm Hondo the lying Kunt and I like to post links that don't refute a fucking word the other person said.


    Look at Bob. Who is too stupid to understand a chart that proves him to be an idiot.
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 33,181
    2001400ex said:

    Look at Bob. Who is too stupid to understand a chart that proves him to be an idiot.
    Look at Hondo the pathological liar now thinking anyone believes a word he says.

    And it's a documented fact that Trump's team met with a Russian team to discuss giving DNC emails and Hillary emails to Trump.
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    SFGbob said:

    Look at Hondo the pathological liar now thinking anyone believes a word he says.

    And it's a documented fact that Trump's team met with a Russian team to discuss giving DNC emails and Hillary emails to Trump.
    Don't believe me. Believe the facts.
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 33,181
    You mean the "documented fact" that would have gotten everyone in the room indicted if it really was a "documented fact" that you've now lied about for 4 days straight, is that the "fact" you're referring to Kunt?
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    SFGbob said:

    You mean the "documented fact" that would have gotten everyone in the room indicted if it really was a "documented fact" that you've now lied about for 4 days straight, is that the "fact" you're referring to Kunt?

    Bob. This is the last I'll address your ignorance. No it's not a crime, and I've never called it a crime. It's documented on Fox news that they met to discuss incriminating evidence against Hillary. It's documented the Trump team lied about the purpose meeting to start. And it's documented the Trump team said no thanks to the information. And you still quote how Hillary stole the election from Bernie (ignoring the fact that she destroyed him in votes). That was the information that was discussed at the meeting and it was released shortly after the meeting.

    Now STFU.
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 33,181
    edited March 2019
    Where did I say you called it a crime Mr. Strawman ass fucker?

    It's "documented" that you're a lying piece of shit. Why do you say it's the "last" time you'll address this Hondo? You've not honestly addressed this a single time. All you've done is lie and move the goal posts when you were called on your lie.

    And you still quote how Hillary stole the election from Bernie (ignoring the fact that she destroyed him in votes).

    And you still lie and pull claims squarely out of your ass when can't honestly address what the other person has said. Show where I've ever said or quoted that Hillary stole the election from Bernie you pathological lying piece of shit.

    This is what you said Kunt:

    And it's a documented fact that Trump's team met with a Russian team to discuss giving DNC emails and Hillary emails to Trump.

    That is a complete and total fucking lie and 4 days later you're still lying about what I've said, lying about what you've said and throwing as much bullshit and gibberish against the wall hoping something sticks rather than just admitting you lied.

    That's what pathological liars do.

  • SwayeSwaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,716 Founders Club

    Amazing how you butcher basic history of the Clinton administration even when that history aligns with your racist anti-welfare state political values.

    My mistake was misremembering that you only included medicaid and not medicare in your bullshit welfare spending went up claim. And then you lied about saying medicaid was a welfare program and got called out on it. To no one’s surprise.

    You’d think you’d stop digging such an enormous crater but here we are.
    It's racist to not support a welfare state? Jesus Christ shut the fuck up.
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 33,181
    Swaye said:

    It's racist to not support a welfare state? Jesus Christ shut the fuck up.
    I'm dying to know why welfare reform is racist. Something tells me I'm not going to get an answer to that question.
  • HardlyClothedHardlyClothed Member Posts: 937
    Reagan ran for President fear mongering about the black welfare queen popping out babies to get more and more government assistance. Which was both a lie and racist, but it convinced a lot of resentful whites to vote for him and a pillar of the modern conservative movement is the belief that non-whites shouldn’t get any welfare. It’s why they want to nuke food stamps and medicaid but not medicare.
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    Reagan ran for President fear mongering about the black welfare queen popping out babies to get more and more government assistance. Which was both a lie and racist, but it convinced a lot of resentful whites to vote for him and a pillar of the modern conservative movement is the belief that non-whites shouldn’t get any welfare. It’s why they want to nuke food stamps and medicaid but not medicare.

    But Bob wants proof!!!!
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 110,892 Founders Club

    Reagan ran for President fear mongering about the black welfare queen popping out babies to get more and more government assistance. Which was both a lie and racist, but it convinced a lot of resentful whites to vote for him and a pillar of the modern conservative movement is the belief that non-whites shouldn’t get any welfare. It’s why they want to nuke food stamps and medicaid but not medicare.

    You never back me up when I tell the kids here how hated RR was

  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 33,181
    2001400ex said:

    But Bob wants proof!!!!
    Hondo's so fucking stupid he thinks that "proof!!!!"
  • RoadTripRoadTrip Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,008 Founders Club

    I like to crystallize your posts that I agree with like this one

    The other guy is extreme. I'm moderate. Both sides have been far more successful demonizing the opponent than following through on promises. So that's what we get. Far right far left far out man

    If you live as long as I do you better have a history of voting or both parties IMO*


    *in my opinion
    In this current political climate, is there any possibility of you voting D for president? I'll just disagree with you and the coog and state there is nothing remotely close to a moderate Democrat today. This bullshit that belief in God places you on the far right is exactly that.
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 33,181

    Reagan ran for President fear mongering about the black welfare queen popping out babies to get more and more government assistance. Which was both a lie and racist, but it convinced a lot of resentful whites to vote for him and a pillar of the modern conservative movement is the belief that non-whites shouldn’t get any welfare. It’s why they want to nuke food stamps and medicaid but not medicare.

    Your claim was that welfare reform under Clinton was racist. You were asked how that was the case and you're now lying about what Reagan said about the Welfare Queen. Who give a fuck about what you're "convinced" of Kunt? You were "convinced" that Clinton "gutted" Welfare despite the fact that welfare spending increased by $25B. I'm not interested in your worthless opinions I want facts and so far all I see is that welfare reform is "racist" because it made your Kunt hurt. I don't see any facts.
  • RoadTripRoadTrip Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,008 Founders Club

    I was born during Carter but vividly remember the 1980s. Yes, the left hated Reagan and he was a fighter no doubt, but he also got deals done with Dems and got a hell of a lot of Dems to vote for him. Reagan's persona and style gets you 60% landslides. Trump may well be reelected in the EC and maybe even the popular vote this time, but he's never gonna break 47% or 48% because of who he is.
    I completely agree with this.
  • Pitchfork51Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,418
    edited March 2019

    I'm sure you'd get different answers from different people. It's been my experience and observation that people always fall somewhere on a political spectrum. They are all just labels at the end of the day, and even within the categories that those labels purport to identify, it's almost never clean. I've known conservatives that are anti-big government who, in my estimation, are not nearly suspicious enough of government intrusion on civil rights. I've known liberals who want the government to solve all of life's issues but who are hawks on government over-reach on privacy matters.

    I myself and not a neat and clean ideologue. I would label myself a moderate conservative, but can be all over the map on issues, and fancy myself a progressive on some, a staunch conservative on others. I'm a blend. I'm a moderate Republican.

    Far right? Same as the far left. People who find appeal in dogma and identity of belief. The far right, or at least one branch of it, tends to have a religious element to it that matches the zeal with which the far left believes in their own fantasies. They are both guilty of a zero/sum game approach to things. As an empirical matter, I find more xenophobes on the far right than I do on the far left, but as you and others point out, the far left has made the white male (me) an object of xenophobia, so there's that. Also as an empirical matter, I find people on both extremes to fall into their stereotype more cleanly. Right wing people tend to want to adhere to tradition and resist change; left wing people tend to want to deconstruct everything. At the extreme, both ideologies are silly. These are gross generalizations, but you have to start with some idea or there's no making sense of any of it and we're just a bunch people who believe a bunch of different shit.

    Still, I don't get too caught up in nomenclature. It's a fool's study. People can point out that Republicans freed the slaves and that white Democrats in the south wanted to keep them. Those are names. The nature of the people, their philosophies and what they want/wanted what is the thing for me.

    Sure, the philosophy and the view that drove brave people to challenge the social norm of the pre-civil rights era south are my kind of progressive, and the people (there) who wanted it kept the way it was are not my kind of conservative. And on some level, as the father of daughters, I also support (in degrees) the progress of women in society and I'm able to see the bullshit when I see it.

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