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Reagan ran for President fear mongering about the black welfare queen popping out babies to get more and more government assistance. Which was both a lie and racist, but it convinced a lot of resentful whites to vote for him and a pillar of the modern conservative movement is the belief that non-whites shouldn’t get any welfare. It’s why they want to nuke food stamps and medicaid but not medicare.
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But Bob wants proof!!!!HardlyClothed said:Reagan ran for President fear mongering about the black welfare queen popping out babies to get more and more government assistance. Which was both a lie and racist, but it convinced a lot of resentful whites to vote for him and a pillar of the modern conservative movement is the belief that non-whites shouldn’t get any welfare. It’s why they want to nuke food stamps and medicaid but not medicare.
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You never back me up when I tell the kids here how hated RR wasHardlyClothed said:Reagan ran for President fear mongering about the black welfare queen popping out babies to get more and more government assistance. Which was both a lie and racist, but it convinced a lot of resentful whites to vote for him and a pillar of the modern conservative movement is the belief that non-whites shouldn’t get any welfare. It’s why they want to nuke food stamps and medicaid but not medicare.
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Wait wait wait. I was following along there until you wrote this:HardlyClothed said:Reagan ran for President fear mongering about the black welfare queen popping out babies to get more and more government assistance. Which was both a lie and racist, but it convinced a lot of resentful whites to vote for him and a pillar of the modern conservative movement is the belief that non-whites shouldn’t get any welfare. It’s why they want to nuke food stamps and medicaid but not medicare.
... and a pillar of the modern conservative movement is the belief that non-whites shouldn’t get any welfare. It’s why they want to nuke food stamps and medicaid but not medicare.
Most people I know that believe in entitlement reform have no axe to grind with the black community and want entitlement reform across the board. Anyone who just doesn't want black people to access welfare is a blatant racist. No argument there. But that is hardly a pillar position of the conservative movement.
I'm pretty clear, as are many others, that there is A LOT of poor white trash in this country sucking on the government. -
Hondo's so fucking stupid he thinks that "proof!!!!"2001400ex said:
But Bob wants proof!!!!HardlyClothed said:Reagan ran for President fear mongering about the black welfare queen popping out babies to get more and more government assistance. Which was both a lie and racist, but it convinced a lot of resentful whites to vote for him and a pillar of the modern conservative movement is the belief that non-whites shouldn’t get any welfare. It’s why they want to nuke food stamps and medicaid but not medicare.
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In this current political climate, is there any possibility of you voting D for president? I'll just disagree with you and the coog and state there is nothing remotely close to a moderate Democrat today. This bullshit that belief in God places you on the far right is exactly that.RaceBannon said:
I like to crystallize your posts that I agree with like this onecreepycoug said:
I'm sure you'd get different answers from different people. It's been my experience and observation that people always fall somewhere on a political spectrum. They are all just labels at the end of the day, and even within the categories that those labels purport to identify, it's almost never clean. I've known conservatives that are anti-big government who, in my estimation, are not nearly suspicious enough of government intrusion on civil rights. I've known liberals who want the government to solve all of life's issues but who are hawks on government over-reach on privacy matters.SFGbob said:
What is the difference between someone on the "far-right" and a conservative?creepycoug said:
Great. Thanks for that thought-provoking contribution.DuckHHunterisafag said:
What the fuck is the "far right"? A centrist Republican is just a pussy looking to get along with RATS...LIKE BUSHcreepycoug said:
What I'm hearing here and in this thread and that people love them some reasonable Centrists.RaceBannon said:
He was smart enough to let Hillary go down in flames on the health care and never tried againYellowSnow said:
And many in the left hated Bubba's triangulating in the 90's He's was still far left of today's GOP on taxes and the initial run at Hillarycare.RaceBannon said:
Not todayHHusky said:
I don't need to duck. I've always loved Barbara.RaceBannon said:
Not by today's definition. Nor would Carter or Mondale be.HHusky said:
Surely Dukakis was a liberal.RaceBannon said:
Bill Clinton isn't a liberal. I was the same democrat then that I was when I voted for Trump.HHusky said:
I'm more interested in your apparent claim you weren't a fucking liberal when the jokes about the President being married to his mother were actually circulating. That's a changed story.RaceBannon said:
That's called an example that proves my point. You have google same as I doHHusky said:
But a professor!RaceBannon said:
I guess that made sense to you when you wrote itHHusky said:
You whooshed here. You haven't always been the morally straight, upstanding and totally sane Trumpanzee you now embody.RaceBannon said:
Your a shitty liarHHusky said:
Compelling argument.RaceBannon said:
BullshitHHusky said:You liberals were always very disrespectful of Barbara, Race.
She always was the best of the bunch.
Always have been
If you want to keep pretending she wasn't savaged you are welcome to your own personal narrative. This is a safe space
So the point stands that she was savaged then and a hero now for going after Trump. Thanks for playing. If you can find some tweets from me in 1990 knock yourself out
I've never denied being a democrat. Some folks here don't believe it so thanks for the back up
Now back to the left praising the woman they once savage. Are you done dodging and weaving?
And Dukakis would be a liberal at any time you and I have been alive.
People forget that Bill was the guy that changed the sentencing that filled our prisons with corner boys, or super predators as Hillary called them. Not exactly a hero of the left today
I hated (and still do) his fucking guts for being a degenerate, but loved me those balanced budgets in hindsight. Bubba did have the easiest fiscal situation to deal with of any modern era POTUS- i.e., Cold War peace, dividend, booming economy and boomers not yet getting to retirement. If he would have gotten Bin Laden in 1998 I'd forgive him for the intern BJs.
He was Trump on illegals. Look up the youtube vids.
He listened to Newt and the two of them worked together.
Bill was never far left of anyone. He even started a wing of the democrats to distance himself from the looming lunatics in the left wing
He is not popular among the AOC crowd. I voted for him twice
Race and his band of Trump Warriors hate the far left, but many among them have democratic roots.
I think what distinguishes Trump from those centrist Democrats is his carelessness with the rhetoric, and his wanton fanning of the flames of the far right. I assume the Warrior Centrists of the Tug dislike the far right as much as they dislike the far left.
Time for creepy confessions in the Tug.
I myself and not a neat and clean ideologue. I would label myself a moderate conservative, but can be all over the map on issues, and fancy myself a progressive on some, a staunch conservative on others. I'm a blend. I'm a moderate Republican.
Far right? Same as the far left. People who find appeal in dogma and identity of belief. The far right, or at least one branch of it, tends to have a religious element to it that matches the zeal with which the far left believes in their own fantasies. They are both guilty of a zero/sum game approach to things. As an empirical matter, I find more xenophobes on the far right than I do on the far left, but as you and others point out, the far left has made the white male (me) an object of xenophobia, so there's that. Also as an empirical matter, I find people on both extremes to fall into their stereotype more cleanly. Right wing people tend to want to adhere to tradition and resist change; left wing people tend to want to deconstruct everything. At the extreme, both ideologies are silly. These are gross generalizations, but you have to start with some idea or there's no making sense of any of it and we're just a bunch people who believe a bunch of different shit.
Still, I don't get too caught up in nomenclature. It's a fool's study. People can point out that Republicans freed the slaves and that white Democrats in the south wanted to keep them. Those are names. The nature of the people, their philosophies and what they want/wanted what is the thing for me.
Sure, the philosophy and the view that drove brave people to challenge the social norm of the pre-civil rights era south are my kind of progressive, and the people (there) who wanted it kept the way it was are not my kind of conservative. And on some level, as the father of daughters, I also support (in degrees) the progress of women in society and I'm able to see the bullshit when I see it.
The other guy is extreme. I'm moderate. Both sides have been far more successful demonizing the opponent than following through on promises. So that's what we get. Far right far left far out man
If you live as long as I do you better have a history of voting or both parties IMO*
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Your claim was that welfare reform under Clinton was racist. You were asked how that was the case and you're now lying about what Reagan said about the Welfare Queen. Who give a fuck about what you're "convinced" of Kunt? You were "convinced" that Clinton "gutted" Welfare despite the fact that welfare spending increased by $25B. I'm not interested in your worthless opinions I want facts and so far all I see is that welfare reform is "racist" because it made your Kunt hurt. I don't see any facts.HardlyClothed said:Reagan ran for President fear mongering about the black welfare queen popping out babies to get more and more government assistance. Which was both a lie and racist, but it convinced a lot of resentful whites to vote for him and a pillar of the modern conservative movement is the belief that non-whites shouldn’t get any welfare. It’s why they want to nuke food stamps and medicaid but not medicare.
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I completely agree with this.YellowSnow said:
I was born during Carter but vividly remember the 1980s. Yes, the left hated Reagan and he was a fighter no doubt, but he also got deals done with Dems and got a hell of a lot of Dems to vote for him. Reagan's persona and style gets you 60% landslides. Trump may well be reelected in the EC and maybe even the popular vote this time, but he's never gonna break 47% or 48% because of who he is.RaceBannon said:
I don't know how old you are but RR was accused of running a racist dog whistle hate campaign. His announcement was in Mississippi. Lee Atwater was demonized because he made commercials that made Jimmy look foolish and weakYellowSnow said:
A GOP candidate can be Nebraska classy and still win big. In the past 50 years the dems have needed a lot of help to win the WH- i.e., 1976 (post Watergate); 1992/96 (threesomes); and 2008/12 with the Great Recession and once in a lifetime hope and change candidate. It's a myth that only Trump could have beaten the Clintons. But he did win so deservedly gets the credit for busting down the blue wall.RaceBannon said:A GOP candidate is supposed to be Nebraska classy
And lose. Very important that they lose to be honored and loved
When they win they stole it or committed other crimes and misdemeanors. And are horrible people. And mean and orange and an orange meanie
RR was a smooth operator but no one on the left thought he was classy. At all. They hated him with a passion and he fought back. He refused to be labled by his opponents which is the lesson Trump learned from him. Not so smooth but in the end who gives a fuck. the left celebrated his death as well
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creepycoug said:
I'm sure you'd get different answers from different people. It's been my experience and observation that people always fall somewhere on a political spectrum. They are all just labels at the end of the day, and even within the categories that those labels purport to identify, it's almost never clean. I've known conservatives that are anti-big government who, in my estimation, are not nearly suspicious enough of government intrusion on civil rights. I've known liberals who want the government to solve all of life's issues but who are hawks on government over-reach on privacy matters.SFGbob said:
What is the difference between someone on the "far-right" and a conservative?creepycoug said:
Great. Thanks for that thought-provoking contribution.DuckHHunterisafag said:
What the fuck is the "far right"? A centrist Republican is just a pussy looking to get along with RATS...LIKE BUSHcreepycoug said:
What I'm hearing here and in this thread and that people love them some reasonable Centrists.RaceBannon said:
He was smart enough to let Hillary go down in flames on the health care and never tried againYellowSnow said:
And many in the left hated Bubba's triangulating in the 90's He's was still far left of today's GOP on taxes and the initial run at Hillarycare.RaceBannon said:
Not todayHHusky said:
I don't need to duck. I've always loved Barbara.RaceBannon said:
Not by today's definition. Nor would Carter or Mondale be.HHusky said:
Surely Dukakis was a liberal.RaceBannon said:
Bill Clinton isn't a liberal. I was the same democrat then that I was when I voted for Trump.HHusky said:
I'm more interested in your apparent claim you weren't a fucking liberal when the jokes about the President being married to his mother were actually circulating. That's a changed story.RaceBannon said:
That's called an example that proves my point. You have google same as I doHHusky said:
But a professor!RaceBannon said:
I guess that made sense to you when you wrote itHHusky said:
You whooshed here. You haven't always been the morally straight, upstanding and totally sane Trumpanzee you now embody.RaceBannon said:
Your a shitty liarHHusky said:
Compelling argument.RaceBannon said:
BullshitHHusky said:You liberals were always very disrespectful of Barbara, Race.
She always was the best of the bunch.
Always have been
If you want to keep pretending she wasn't savaged you are welcome to your own personal narrative. This is a safe space
So the point stands that she was savaged then and a hero now for going after Trump. Thanks for playing. If you can find some tweets from me in 1990 knock yourself out
I've never denied being a democrat. Some folks here don't believe it so thanks for the back up
Now back to the left praising the woman they once savage. Are you done dodging and weaving?
And Dukakis would be a liberal at any time you and I have been alive.
People forget that Bill was the guy that changed the sentencing that filled our prisons with corner boys, or super predators as Hillary called them. Not exactly a hero of the left today
I hated (and still do) his fucking guts for being a degenerate, but loved me those balanced budgets in hindsight. Bubba did have the easiest fiscal situation to deal with of any modern era POTUS- i.e., Cold War peace, dividend, booming economy and boomers not yet getting to retirement. If he would have gotten Bin Laden in 1998 I'd forgive him for the intern BJs.
He was Trump on illegals. Look up the youtube vids.
He listened to Newt and the two of them worked together.
Bill was never far left of anyone. He even started a wing of the democrats to distance himself from the looming lunatics in the left wing
He is not popular among the AOC crowd. I voted for him twice
Race and his band of Trump Warriors hate the far left, but many among them have democratic roots.
I think what distinguishes Trump from those centrist Democrats is his carelessness with the rhetoric, and his wanton fanning of the flames of the far right. I assume the Warrior Centrists of the Tug dislike the far right as much as they dislike the far left.
Time for creepy confessions in the Tug.
I myself and not a neat and clean ideologue. I would label myself a moderate conservative, but can be all over the map on issues, and fancy myself a progressive on some, a staunch conservative on others. I'm a blend. I'm a moderate Republican.
Far right? Same as the far left. People who find appeal in dogma and identity of belief. The far right, or at least one branch of it, tends to have a religious element to it that matches the zeal with which the far left believes in their own fantasies. They are both guilty of a zero/sum game approach to things. As an empirical matter, I find more xenophobes on the far right than I do on the far left, but as you and others point out, the far left has made the white male (me) an object of xenophobia, so there's that. Also as an empirical matter, I find people on both extremes to fall into their stereotype more cleanly. Right wing people tend to want to adhere to tradition and resist change; left wing people tend to want to deconstruct everything. At the extreme, both ideologies are silly. These are gross generalizations, but you have to start with some idea or there's no making sense of any of it and we're just a bunch people who believe a bunch of different shit.
Still, I don't get too caught up in nomenclature. It's a fool's study. People can point out that Republicans freed the slaves and that white Democrats in the south wanted to keep them. Those are names. The nature of the people, their philosophies and what they want/wanted what is the thing for me.
Sure, the philosophy and the view that drove brave people to challenge the social norm of the pre-civil rights era south are my kind of progressive, and the people (there) who wanted it kept the way it was are not my kind of conservative. And on some level, as the father of daughters, I also support (in degrees) the progress of women in society and I'm able to see the bullshit when I see it.
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It seems as if my days of voting for a democrat are behind meDuckHHunterisafag said:
In this current political climate, is there any possibility of you voting D for president? I'll just disagree with you and the coog and state there is nothing remotely close to a moderate Democrat today. This bullshit that belief in God places you on the far right is exactly that.RaceBannon said:
I like to crystallize your posts that I agree with like this onecreepycoug said:
I'm sure you'd get different answers from different people. It's been my experience and observation that people always fall somewhere on a political spectrum. They are all just labels at the end of the day, and even within the categories that those labels purport to identify, it's almost never clean. I've known conservatives that are anti-big government who, in my estimation, are not nearly suspicious enough of government intrusion on civil rights. I've known liberals who want the government to solve all of life's issues but who are hawks on government over-reach on privacy matters.SFGbob said:
What is the difference between someone on the "far-right" and a conservative?creepycoug said:
Great. Thanks for that thought-provoking contribution.DuckHHunterisafag said:
What the fuck is the "far right"? A centrist Republican is just a pussy looking to get along with RATS...LIKE BUSHcreepycoug said:
What I'm hearing here and in this thread and that people love them some reasonable Centrists.RaceBannon said:
He was smart enough to let Hillary go down in flames on the health care and never tried againYellowSnow said:
And many in the left hated Bubba's triangulating in the 90's He's was still far left of today's GOP on taxes and the initial run at Hillarycare.RaceBannon said:
Not todayHHusky said:
I don't need to duck. I've always loved Barbara.RaceBannon said:
Not by today's definition. Nor would Carter or Mondale be.HHusky said:
Surely Dukakis was a liberal.RaceBannon said:
Bill Clinton isn't a liberal. I was the same democrat then that I was when I voted for Trump.HHusky said:
I'm more interested in your apparent claim you weren't a fucking liberal when the jokes about the President being married to his mother were actually circulating. That's a changed story.RaceBannon said:
That's called an example that proves my point. You have google same as I doHHusky said:
But a professor!RaceBannon said:
I guess that made sense to you when you wrote itHHusky said:
You whooshed here. You haven't always been the morally straight, upstanding and totally sane Trumpanzee you now embody.RaceBannon said:
Your a shitty liarHHusky said:
Compelling argument.RaceBannon said:
BullshitHHusky said:You liberals were always very disrespectful of Barbara, Race.
She always was the best of the bunch.
Always have been
If you want to keep pretending she wasn't savaged you are welcome to your own personal narrative. This is a safe space
So the point stands that she was savaged then and a hero now for going after Trump. Thanks for playing. If you can find some tweets from me in 1990 knock yourself out
I've never denied being a democrat. Some folks here don't believe it so thanks for the back up
Now back to the left praising the woman they once savage. Are you done dodging and weaving?
And Dukakis would be a liberal at any time you and I have been alive.
People forget that Bill was the guy that changed the sentencing that filled our prisons with corner boys, or super predators as Hillary called them. Not exactly a hero of the left today
I hated (and still do) his fucking guts for being a degenerate, but loved me those balanced budgets in hindsight. Bubba did have the easiest fiscal situation to deal with of any modern era POTUS- i.e., Cold War peace, dividend, booming economy and boomers not yet getting to retirement. If he would have gotten Bin Laden in 1998 I'd forgive him for the intern BJs.
He was Trump on illegals. Look up the youtube vids.
He listened to Newt and the two of them worked together.
Bill was never far left of anyone. He even started a wing of the democrats to distance himself from the looming lunatics in the left wing
He is not popular among the AOC crowd. I voted for him twice
Race and his band of Trump Warriors hate the far left, but many among them have democratic roots.
I think what distinguishes Trump from those centrist Democrats is his carelessness with the rhetoric, and his wanton fanning of the flames of the far right. I assume the Warrior Centrists of the Tug dislike the far right as much as they dislike the far left.
Time for creepy confessions in the Tug.
I myself and not a neat and clean ideologue. I would label myself a moderate conservative, but can be all over the map on issues, and fancy myself a progressive on some, a staunch conservative on others. I'm a blend. I'm a moderate Republican.
Far right? Same as the far left. People who find appeal in dogma and identity of belief. The far right, or at least one branch of it, tends to have a religious element to it that matches the zeal with which the far left believes in their own fantasies. They are both guilty of a zero/sum game approach to things. As an empirical matter, I find more xenophobes on the far right than I do on the far left, but as you and others point out, the far left has made the white male (me) an object of xenophobia, so there's that. Also as an empirical matter, I find people on both extremes to fall into their stereotype more cleanly. Right wing people tend to want to adhere to tradition and resist change; left wing people tend to want to deconstruct everything. At the extreme, both ideologies are silly. These are gross generalizations, but you have to start with some idea or there's no making sense of any of it and we're just a bunch people who believe a bunch of different shit.
Still, I don't get too caught up in nomenclature. It's a fool's study. People can point out that Republicans freed the slaves and that white Democrats in the south wanted to keep them. Those are names. The nature of the people, their philosophies and what they want/wanted what is the thing for me.
Sure, the philosophy and the view that drove brave people to challenge the social norm of the pre-civil rights era south are my kind of progressive, and the people (there) who wanted it kept the way it was are not my kind of conservative. And on some level, as the father of daughters, I also support (in degrees) the progress of women in society and I'm able to see the bullshit when I see it.
The other guy is extreme. I'm moderate. Both sides have been far more successful demonizing the opponent than following through on promises. So that's what we get. Far right far left far out man
If you live as long as I do you better have a history of voting or both parties IMO*
*in my opinion
I will be punishing them for the foreseeable future for trying to hijack my 2016 vote by colluding with foreign agents to unseat Trump
