New hero of the left

SFGbob said:

YellowSnow said:

RaceBannon said:

YellowSnow said:

RaceBannon said:

A GOP candidate is supposed to be Nebraska classy

And lose. Very important that they lose to be honored and loved

When they win they stole it or committed other crimes and misdemeanors. And are horrible people. And mean and orange and an orange meanie

A GOP candidate can be Nebraska classy and still win big. In the past 50 years the dems have needed a lot of help to win the WH- i.e., 1976 (post Watergate); 1992/96 (threesomes); and 2008/12 with the Great Recession and once in a lifetime hope and change candidate. It's a myth that only Trump could have beaten the Clintons. But he did win so deservedly gets the credit for busting down the blue wall.

I don't know how old you are but RR was accused of running a racist dog whistle hate campaign. His announcement was in Mississippi. Lee Atwater was demonized because he made commercials that made Jimmy look foolish and weak

RR was a smooth operator but no one on the left thought he was classy. At all. They hated him with a passion and he fought back. He refused to be labled by his opponents which is the lesson Trump learned from him. Not so smooth but in the end who gives a fuck. the left celebrated his death as well

Its about winning. Ask the left

I was born during Carter but vividly remember the 1980s. Yes, the left hated Reagan and he was a fighter no doubt, but he also got deals done with Dems and got a hell of a lot of Dems to vote for him. Reagan's persona and style gets you 60% landslides. Trump may well be reelected in the EC and maybe even the popular vote this time, but he's never gonna break 47% or 48% because of who he is.

Country has completely changed as has the Rat party. The moderate and even conservative Rats have all left the party. There are no Scoop Jackson Rats left and a Scoop Jackson Rat could never get elected in a Rat party primary. Remember California used to be a Red to purple state. Reagan nor any other Republican running nationally will ever win California in the foreseeable future.

SFGbob said:

HardlyClothed said:

SFGbob said:

YellowSnow said:

RaceBannon said:

YellowSnow said:

RaceBannon said:

A GOP candidate is supposed to be Nebraska classy

And lose. Very important that they lose to be honored and loved

When they win they stole it or committed other crimes and misdemeanors. And are horrible people. And mean and orange and an orange meanie

A GOP candidate can be Nebraska classy and still win big. In the past 50 years the dems have needed a lot of help to win the WH- i.e., 1976 (post Watergate); 1992/96 (threesomes); and 2008/12 with the Great Recession and once in a lifetime hope and change candidate. It's a myth that only Trump could have beaten the Clintons. But he did win so deservedly gets the credit for busting down the blue wall.

I don't know how old you are but RR was accused of running a racist dog whistle hate campaign. His announcement was in Mississippi. Lee Atwater was demonized because he made commercials that made Jimmy look foolish and weak

RR was a smooth operator but no one on the left thought he was classy. At all. They hated him with a passion and he fought back. He refused to be labled by his opponents which is the lesson Trump learned from him. Not so smooth but in the end who gives a fuck. the left celebrated his death as well

Its about winning. Ask the left

I was born during Carter but vividly remember the 1980s. Yes, the left hated Reagan and he was a fighter no doubt, but he also got deals done with Dems and got a hell of a lot of Dems to vote for him. Reagan's persona and style gets you 60% landslides. Trump may well be reelected in the EC and maybe even the popular vote this time, but he's never gonna break 47% or 48% because of who he is.

Country has completely changed as has the Rat party. The moderate and even conservative Rats have all left the party. There are no Scoop Jackson Rats left and a Scoop Jackson Rat could never get elected in a Rat party primary. Remember California used to be a Red to purple state. Reagan nor any other Republican running nationally will ever win California in the foreseeable future.

Good. I don’t want people like Scoop Jackson, father of the neoconservatives that gave us Iraq (Wolfowitz, Feith, etc.), in my party.

Yeah I know, you like to see people who think a $25 Billion increase in Welfare spending is an example of Welfare being "gutted" and then you like to lie about it and run and hide. Your party is filled with those kinds of Kunts today.

HardlyClothed said:

SFGbob said:

HardlyClothed said:

SFGbob said:

YellowSnow said:

RaceBannon said:

YellowSnow said:

RaceBannon said:

A GOP candidate is supposed to be Nebraska classy

And lose. Very important that they lose to be honored and loved

When they win they stole it or committed other crimes and misdemeanors. And are horrible people. And mean and orange and an orange meanie

A GOP candidate can be Nebraska classy and still win big. In the past 50 years the dems have needed a lot of help to win the WH- i.e., 1976 (post Watergate); 1992/96 (threesomes); and 2008/12 with the Great Recession and once in a lifetime hope and change candidate. It's a myth that only Trump could have beaten the Clintons. But he did win so deservedly gets the credit for busting down the blue wall.

I don't know how old you are but RR was accused of running a racist dog whistle hate campaign. His announcement was in Mississippi. Lee Atwater was demonized because he made commercials that made Jimmy look foolish and weak

RR was a smooth operator but no one on the left thought he was classy. At all. They hated him with a passion and he fought back. He refused to be labled by his opponents which is the lesson Trump learned from him. Not so smooth but in the end who gives a fuck. the left celebrated his death as well

Its about winning. Ask the left

I was born during Carter but vividly remember the 1980s. Yes, the left hated Reagan and he was a fighter no doubt, but he also got deals done with Dems and got a hell of a lot of Dems to vote for him. Reagan's persona and style gets you 60% landslides. Trump may well be reelected in the EC and maybe even the popular vote this time, but he's never gonna break 47% or 48% because of who he is.

Country has completely changed as has the Rat party. The moderate and even conservative Rats have all left the party. There are no Scoop Jackson Rats left and a Scoop Jackson Rat could never get elected in a Rat party primary. Remember California used to be a Red to purple state. Reagan nor any other Republican running nationally will ever win California in the foreseeable future.

Good. I don’t want people like Scoop Jackson, father of the neoconservatives that gave us Iraq (Wolfowitz, Feith, etc.), in my party.

Yeah I know, you like to see people who think a $25 Billion increase in Welfare spending is an example of Welfare being "gutted" and then you like to lie about it and run and hide. Your party is filled with those kinds of Kunts today.

Amazing how you butcher basic history of the Clinton administration even when that history aligns with your racist anti-welfare state political values.

My mistake was misremembering that you only included medicaid and not medicare in your bullshit welfare spending went up claim. And then you lied about saying medicaid was a welfare program and got called out on it. To no one’s surprise.

You’d think you’d stop digging such an enormous crater but here we are.

HardlyClothed said:

SFGbob said:

HardlyClothed said:

SFGbob said:

YellowSnow said:

RaceBannon said:

YellowSnow said:

RaceBannon said:

A GOP candidate is supposed to be Nebraska classy

And lose. Very important that they lose to be honored and loved

When they win they stole it or committed other crimes and misdemeanors. And are horrible people. And mean and orange and an orange meanie

A GOP candidate can be Nebraska classy and still win big. In the past 50 years the dems have needed a lot of help to win the WH- i.e., 1976 (post Watergate); 1992/96 (threesomes); and 2008/12 with the Great Recession and once in a lifetime hope and change candidate. It's a myth that only Trump could have beaten the Clintons. But he did win so deservedly gets the credit for busting down the blue wall.

I don't know how old you are but RR was accused of running a racist dog whistle hate campaign. His announcement was in Mississippi. Lee Atwater was demonized because he made commercials that made Jimmy look foolish and weak

RR was a smooth operator but no one on the left thought he was classy. At all. They hated him with a passion and he fought back. He refused to be labled by his opponents which is the lesson Trump learned from him. Not so smooth but in the end who gives a fuck. the left celebrated his death as well

Its about winning. Ask the left

I was born during Carter but vividly remember the 1980s. Yes, the left hated Reagan and he was a fighter no doubt, but he also got deals done with Dems and got a hell of a lot of Dems to vote for him. Reagan's persona and style gets you 60% landslides. Trump may well be reelected in the EC and maybe even the popular vote this time, but he's never gonna break 47% or 48% because of who he is.

Country has completely changed as has the Rat party. The moderate and even conservative Rats have all left the party. There are no Scoop Jackson Rats left and a Scoop Jackson Rat could never get elected in a Rat party primary. Remember California used to be a Red to purple state. Reagan nor any other Republican running nationally will ever win California in the foreseeable future.

Good. I don’t want people like Scoop Jackson, father of the neoconservatives that gave us Iraq (Wolfowitz, Feith, etc.), in my party.

Yeah I know, you like to see people who think a $25 Billion increase in Welfare spending is an example of Welfare being "gutted" and then you like to lie about it and run and hide. Your party is filled with those kinds of Kunts today.

Amazing how you butcher basic history of the Clinton administration even when that history aligns with your racist anti-welfare state political values.

My mistake was misremembering that you only included medicaid and not medicare in your bullshit welfare spending went up claim. And then you lied about saying medicaid was a welfare program and got called out on it. To no one’s surprise.

You’d think you’d stop digging such an enormous crater but here we are.

2001400ex said:

HardlyClothed said:

Reagan ran for President fear mongering about the black welfare queen popping out babies to get more and more government assistance. Which was both a lie and racist, but it convinced a lot of resentful whites to vote for him and a pillar of the modern conservative movement is the belief that non-whites shouldn’t get any welfare. It’s why they want to nuke food stamps and medicaid but not medicare.

But Bob wants proof!!!!

HardlyClothed said:

Reagan ran for President fear mongering about the black welfare queen popping out babies to get more and more government assistance. Which was both a lie and racist, but it convinced a lot of resentful whites to vote for him and a pillar of the modern conservative movement is the belief that non-whites shouldn’t get any welfare. It’s why they want to nuke food stamps and medicaid but not medicare.

creepycoug said:

SFGbob said:

creepycoug said:

DuckHHunterisafag said:

creepycoug said:

RaceBannon said:

YellowSnow said:

RaceBannon said:

HHusky said:

RaceBannon said:

HHusky said:

RaceBannon said:

HHusky said:

RaceBannon said:

HHusky said:

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HHusky said:

You liberals were always very disrespectful of Barbara, Race.

She always was the best of the bunch.

Bullshit

Compelling argument.

Your a shitty liar

Always have been

You whooshed here. You haven't always been the morally straight, upstanding and totally sane Trumpanzee you now embody.

I guess that made sense to you when you wrote it

But a professor!

That's called an example that proves my point. You have google same as I do

If you want to keep pretending she wasn't savaged you are welcome to your own personal narrative. This is a safe space

I'm more interested in your apparent claim you weren't a fucking liberal when the jokes about the President being married to his mother were actually circulating. That's a changed story.

Bill Clinton isn't a liberal. I was the same democrat then that I was when I voted for Trump.

So the point stands that she was savaged then and a hero now for going after Trump. Thanks for playing. If you can find some tweets from me in 1990 knock yourself out

Surely Dukakis was a liberal.

Not by today's definition. Nor would Carter or Mondale be.

I've never denied being a democrat. Some folks here don't believe it so thanks for the back up

Now back to the left praising the woman they once savage. Are you done dodging and weaving?

I don't need to duck. I've always loved Barbara.

And Dukakis would be a liberal at any time you and I have been alive.

Not today

People forget that Bill was the guy that changed the sentencing that filled our prisons with corner boys, or super predators as Hillary called them. Not exactly a hero of the left today

And many in the left hated Bubba's triangulating in the 90's He's was still far left of today's GOP on taxes and the initial run at Hillarycare.

I hated (and still do) his fucking guts for being a degenerate, but loved me those balanced budgets in hindsight. Bubba did have the easiest fiscal situation to deal with of any modern era POTUS- i.e., Cold War peace, dividend, booming economy and boomers not yet getting to retirement. If he would have gotten Bin Laden in 1998 I'd forgive him for the intern BJs.

He was smart enough to let Hillary go down in flames on the health care and never tried again

He was Trump on illegals. Look up the youtube vids.

He listened to Newt and the two of them worked together.

Bill was never far left of anyone. He even started a wing of the democrats to distance himself from the looming lunatics in the left wing

He is not popular among the AOC crowd. I voted for him twice

What I'm hearing here and in this thread and that people love them some reasonable Centrists.

Race and his band of Trump Warriors hate the far left, but many among them have democratic roots.

I think what distinguishes Trump from those centrist Democrats is his carelessness with the rhetoric, and his wanton fanning of the flames of the far right. I assume the Warrior Centrists of the Tug dislike the far right as much as they dislike the far left.

Time for creepy confessions in the Tug.

What the fuck is the "far right"? A centrist Republican is just a pussy looking to get along with RATS...LIKE BUSH

Great. Thanks for that thought-provoking contribution.

What is the difference between someone on the "far-right" and a conservative?

I'm sure you'd get different answers from different people. It's been my experience and observation that people always fall somewhere on a political spectrum. They are all just labels at the end of the day, and even within the categories that those labels purport to identify, it's almost never clean. I've known conservatives that are anti-big government who, in my estimation, are not nearly suspicious enough of government intrusion on civil rights. I've known liberals who want the government to solve all of life's issues but who are hawks on government over-reach on privacy matters.

I myself and not a neat and clean ideologue. I would label myself a moderate conservative, but can be all over the map on issues, and fancy myself a progressive on some, a staunch conservative on others. I'm a blend. I'm a moderate Republican.

Far right? Same as the far left. People who find appeal in dogma and identity of belief. The far right, or at least one branch of it, tends to have a religious element to it that matches the zeal with which the far left believes in their own fantasies. They are both guilty of a zero/sum game approach to things. As an empirical matter, I find more xenophobes on the far right than I do on the far left, but as you and others point out, the far left has made the white male (me) an object of xenophobia, so there's that. Also as an empirical matter, I find people on both extremes to fall into their stereotype more cleanly. Right wing people tend to want to adhere to tradition and resist change; left wing people tend to want to deconstruct everything. At the extreme, both ideologies are silly. These are gross generalizations, but you have to start with some idea or there's no making sense of any of it and we're just a bunch people who believe a bunch of different shit.

Still, I don't get too caught up in nomenclature. It's a fool's study. People can point out that Republicans freed the slaves and that white Democrats in the south wanted to keep them. Those are names. The nature of the people, their philosophies and what they want/wanted what is the thing for me.

Sure, the philosophy and the view that drove brave people to challenge the social norm of the pre-civil rights era south are my kind of progressive, and the people (there) who wanted it kept the way it was are not my kind of conservative. And on some level, as the father of daughters, I also support (in degrees) the progress of women in society and I'm able to see the bullshit when I see it.