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  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    You got some nice stats there in italics. Why don't you link your source?
    Bob rarely provides a link. He doesn't want us to see the underlying information or the rest of the article.
  • BennyBeaverBennyBeaver Member Posts: 13,346
    SFGbob said:

    If you think I'm making up the numbers you're free to say so. And Race is right, you don't give a fuck about the numbers you're just looking for an opening to cry RACIST!!!!!
    I'm not questioning the veracity of the stats, nor I'm going to call you names. Just asking for the source.

    Assuming the the 77% is accurate, is that the cause or effect of poverty?
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 33,181

    I'm not questioning the veracity of the stats, nor I'm going to call you names. Just asking for the source.

    Assuming the the 77% is accurate, is that the cause or effect of poverty?
    Since the poverty rate for blacks was far higher during the 30s, 40s, 50s, and 60s, then it is now and the out of wedlock birth rates for blacks in the early 60s is about what it is for whites now, I think it's pretty safe to call it the cause. If poverty caused high out of wedlock birth rates why wasn't the rate higher when poverty rates were far greater?
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    SFGbob said:

    Since the poverty rate for blacks was far higher during the 30s, 40s, 50s, and 60s, then it is now and the out of wedlock birth rates for blacks in the early 60s is about what it is for whites now, I think it's pretty safe to call it the cause. If poverty caused high out of wedlock birth rates why wasn't the rate higher when poverty rates were far greater?
    So you aren't going to post a link.
  • BennyBeaverBennyBeaver Member Posts: 13,346
    SFGbob said:

    Since the poverty rate for blacks was far higher during the 30s, 40s, 50s, and 60s, then it is now and the out of wedlock birth rates for blacks in the early 60s is about what it is for whites now, I think it's pretty safe to call it the cause. If poverty caused high out of wedlock birth rates why wasn't the rate higher when poverty rates were far greater?
    *than

    So whites will be as poor as blacks because of equal out of wedlock birth rates.
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 35,544 Standard Supporter

    Why do those dirty Italian Catholic immigrants vote for the Democrats? Or those stupid Irish immigrants? Or the Pollacks?

    All those poor immigrants looking for free stuff. They're gonna VOTE (omg, save us). The end is nigh.

    Fuck off.

    Catholics are not supposed to vote against their beliefs.

  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 110,106 Founders Club

    *than

    So whites will be as poor as blacks because of equal out of wedlock birth rates.
    Yes
  • MikeDamoneMikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    edited March 2019
    You got some nice stats there in italics. Why don't you link your source?

    I provide links. Which you ignore. Dumbfuck was afraid the learn something.
  • BennyBeaverBennyBeaver Member Posts: 13,346

    You got some nice stats there in italics. Why don't you link your source?

    I provide links. Which you ignore. Dumbfuck was afraid the learn something.

    ¿Que?
  • BennyBeaverBennyBeaver Member Posts: 13,346

    Yes
    When? How long will it take?
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 110,106 Founders Club

    When? How long will it take?
    You don't think white people are stuck in poverty due to this?

    Wow

    You do realize that not all Blacks are poor?

    I hope
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 33,181

    You don't think white people are stuck in poverty due to this?

    Wow

    You do realize that not all Blacks are poor?

    I hope
    It must be a real shock to him to learn at this late date that there are plenty of poor white folks and that whites who have children out of wedlock also have a higher probability of living in poverty.
  • BennyBeaverBennyBeaver Member Posts: 13,346
    SFGbob said:

    It must be a real shock to him to learn at this late date that there are plenty of poor white folks and that whites who have children out of wedlock also have a higher probability of living in poverty.
    I'm shocked to learn that since the 60s the out of wedlock rates for blacks is the same as whites, but more blacks are in poverty.
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 33,181

    I'm shocked to learn that since the 60s the out of wedlock rates for blacks is the same as whites, but more blacks are in poverty.
    You must have learned that from putting your head up your ass because I’ve not said that and it isn’t true.
  • USMChawkUSMChawk Member Posts: 1,800

    I'm guessing, but do not know or cannot prove, that there are some externalities to consider along with those numbers. For example, as touchy a subject as it is in the Tug, the we all know that the degree of racism a typical black person had to deal with pre-Civil Rights Act was a massive disadvantage ... access to quality education, opportunity in the work place, opportunity to climb in the social strata which feeds back into work opportunity, etc. etc. Another thing to consider is that being born out of wedlock is much less of a social issue today than it was a while back. The term "bastard" isn't quite the insult today it was 60 years ago. People aren't as hung up on that kind of thing from a social/shame standpoint. If you were black and a bastard in 1930, you had two vary large weights tied to your ankles. Today, much less so.

    But I also don't dispute the point intellectually. Like Robert Redford said in The Nautural, "Sure, a father makes all the difference." My wife and I have different roles raising our kids; she's better at hers and I'm better at mine. Moreover, our division of labor is such that I make sure we have financial resources, and she makes sure someone always has time for them. I think that's a better arrangement myself. And mind you, it has not always been smooth sailing even with our arrangement, which today is one of privilege (wife hasn't worked in 23 years). Anyone who raises children who says it's all good is lying to you. It tuff, even with our situation. I can't imagine footing it alone ... something would fall through the cracks.
    Agree,
  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,807
    I'm guessing, but do not know or cannot prove, that there are some externalities to consider along with those numbers. For example, as touchy a subject as it is in the Tug, the we all know that the degree of racism a typical black person had to deal with pre-Civil Rights Act was a massive disadvantage ... access to quality education, opportunity in the work place, opportunity to climb in the social strata which feeds back into work opportunity, etc. etc. Another thing to consider is that being born out of wedlock is much less of a social issue today than it was a while back. The term "bastard" isn't quite the insult today it was 60 years ago. People aren't as hung up on that kind of thing from a social/shame standpoint. If you were black and a bastard in 1930, you had two vary large weights tied to your ankles. Today, much less so.

    But I also don't dispute the point intellectually. Like Robert Redford said in The Nautural, "Sure, a father makes all the difference." My wife and I have different roles raising our kids; she's better at hers and I'm better at mine. Moreover, our division of labor is such that I make sure we have financial resources, and she makes sure someone always has time for the kids. I think that's a better arrangement myself. And mind you, it has not always been smooth sailing even with our arrangement, which today is one of privilege (wife hasn't worked in 23 years). Anyone who raises children who says it's all good is lying to you. It's tuff, even with our situation. I can't imagine footing it alone ... something would fall through the cracks.
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