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You're the one that made voting into a skin color issueallpurpleallgold said:
Right, so people of color want are lazy and want free shit but white people are better than that. Got it.SFGbob said:
First of all, that's not accurate. Second of all, most Hispanic immigrants with the exception of Cubans like a government that will give them lots of "free" shit. They vote for the party that they see as their best option to secure this "free" shit. If you're black and you want a handout you're going to vote for Rats for the very same reasons.allpurpleallgold said:
And all the non white people vote for the left. What would you attribute that to?Pitchfork51 said:Liberals believe anyone who isn't white is stupid and unable to do anything themselves and therefore must come here to be taken care of by the generous and compassionate Democrats, who know what's in everyone else's interest far better than they ever could.
Racist pos.
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Don't confuse me not liking illegal aliens with me not liking immigrants. It's not the same thing.creepycoug said:
Fewer jobs in those states overall dog. My company just left Montana a few years back, and the locals, of which I know many, will tell you it was the death blow. Very, very hard to make a living in Montana. Idaho has Boise and some tech and related industry, but not much else. The Dakotas have large mineral business and the people who go there to work are paid very well. I know more than a few guys who've gone to the Dakotas and lived in one of those company towns, where they build nice hotels and restaurants on the fucking spot to support what is a very healthy micro economy. But my sense of those places is that if you're not in one of those businesses or working for one, your SOL.Sledog said:
Go check out the smaller population states that do not have a large illegal immigrant population. Like the Dakotas, Idaho, Wyoming, Montana etc. You'll find that all the jobs are filled and they ain't illegals.creepycoug said:
I think if we have true welfare reform, of the type you spelled out the other day, then I'd be willing regulate the influx of cheap uneducated labor such that we are only importing what we need/benefit from. The truth is, these people do a lot of jobs that Americans don't want to do, and many of those jobs are for goods and services that have limited elasticity of demand (landscaping, agriculture, etc.). Long before American landscapers and fruit pickers will be getting a 401-K match, demand for those products and services will disappear. Nobody is paying $8 for an apple; nobody is paying a guy $400 to cut is suburban lawn.SFGbob said:also want to bring millions of additional poor, and illiterate people with no job skills to America?
Also, what's the biggest predictor if someone will grow up living in poverty in America today? Is it skin color?
If you get the hoards of unemployed and able bodied citizens off their asses and doing these jobs for roughly what the immigrants will do them, then I'm all in.
Of course, I've always been in favor of regulating the boarders for safety reasons and so that we know who is coming in ... any clear-thinking person wants that. What I've not been in favor of is labor protectionist policies. I think they're bad for us in the long-run, and in the short-run they're a problem unless there are people getting up and filling those slots.
Given where we are technologically as a species, there are still jobs that are hard and don't require great skill or education that need to be done inexpensively or not at all.
I honestly didn't know the answer to your question, so I looked it up. I had assumed that it would be the educational status of your parents, where you grew up and that skin color would be in there somewhere. I think this study would support that idea generally. I have no idea who the Urban Institute is, and if they're partisan or not.
https://hardcorehusky.com/discussion/57718/why-do-the-people-who-claim-to-care-about-the-poor-in-america#latest
Hard to get good Mexican food in those places.
I think you're skirting the point, which is that a lot of people born and brought up here simply do not want to do many of those jobs ... at all ... much less for the $$ that they immigrant will do it for.
Look, you can not like them all you want, but that is the very significant other side of the coin. It's fun to point to the bad shit some of them do when the come here; but there is (I would argue) much more significant other behavior that they contribute. You may think it's better if the apple orchard owner, or the timber company who needs planters, or the developer who needs framers, etc. etc. is stuck with more expensive American labor. But a free market guy doesn't see it that way. And as I said, many (not all) of those services and goods have little to no price elasticity, such that an uptick in the cost (passed on to the consumer) will essentially kill it. I don't like Apple Juice that much, and I'm happy to mow my own lawn (I do anyway).
We have far more than we can use check the welfare rolls.
We had plenty pf guest worker programs in the pass for seasonal work. -
So the black people are poor because of bastards. Got it.SFGbob said:
Amazing. Kids who are born to parents who are married do better than kids who are born out of wedlock. Now what were those numbers on out of wedlock births broken down by race?creepycoug said:I fucked up the link:
https://www.urban.org/sites/default/files/publication/90321/escaping-poverty.pdf
I think you'll find they track pretty neatly to the numbers of kids who grow up in poverty when broken down by race.
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Statistically, you and your kids are more likely to be poor if you have those kids out of wedlock no matter what your color might be.BennyBeaver said:
So the black people are poor because of bastards. Got it.SFGbob said:
Amazing. Kids who are born to parents who are married do better than kids who are born out of wedlock. Now what were those numbers on out of wedlock births broken down by race?creepycoug said:I fucked up the link:
https://www.urban.org/sites/default/files/publication/90321/escaping-poverty.pdf
I think you'll find they track pretty neatly to the numbers of kids who grow up in poverty when broken down by race.
The fact that over 70% of all blacks kids are born out of wedlock has a huge impact on the poverty rate for blacks.
Among racial and ethnic groups, African Americans had the highest poverty rate, 27.4 percent, followed by Hispanics at 26.6 percent and whites at 9.9 percent.
77% black births to single moms, 49% for Hispanic immigrants
It's no coincidence that the racial group with the lowest out of wedlock birth rates Asians, also have the lowest rates of poverty.
What's even more interesting is that these numbers track fairly neatly with any social pathology you can think of. School dropout rates, criminal activity, shitty credit scores, you name it. They all order themselves in this same pattern.
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You sound poor.SFGbob said:
Statistically, you and your kids are more likely to be poor if you have those kids out of wedlock no matter what your color might be.BennyBeaver said:
So the black people are poor because of bastards. Got it.SFGbob said:
Amazing. Kids who are born to parents who are married do better than kids who are born out of wedlock. Now what were those numbers on out of wedlock births broken down by race?creepycoug said:I fucked up the link:
https://www.urban.org/sites/default/files/publication/90321/escaping-poverty.pdf
I think you'll find they track pretty neatly to the numbers of kids who grow up in poverty when broken down by race.
The fact that over 70% of all blacks kids are born out of wedlock has a huge impact on the poverty rate for blacks.
Among racial and ethnic groups, African Americans had the highest poverty rate, 27.4 percent, followed by Hispanics at 26.6 percent and whites at 9.9 percent.
77% black births to single moms, 49% for Hispanic immigrants
It's no coincidence that the racial group with the lowest out of wedlock birth rates Asians, also have the lowest rates of poverty.
What's even more interesting is that these numbers track fairly neatly with any social pathology you can think of. School dropout rates, criminal activity, shitty credit scores, you name it. They all order themselves in this same pattern. -
You sound like a really pathetic lightweight.CirrhosisDawg said:
You sound poor.SFGbob said:
Statistically, you and your kids are more likely to be poor if you have those kids out of wedlock no matter what your color might be.BennyBeaver said:
So the black people are poor because of bastards. Got it.SFGbob said:
Amazing. Kids who are born to parents who are married do better than kids who are born out of wedlock. Now what were those numbers on out of wedlock births broken down by race?creepycoug said:I fucked up the link:
https://www.urban.org/sites/default/files/publication/90321/escaping-poverty.pdf
I think you'll find they track pretty neatly to the numbers of kids who grow up in poverty when broken down by race.
The fact that over 70% of all blacks kids are born out of wedlock has a huge impact on the poverty rate for blacks.
Among racial and ethnic groups, African Americans had the highest poverty rate, 27.4 percent, followed by Hispanics at 26.6 percent and whites at 9.9 percent.
77% black births to single moms, 49% for Hispanic immigrants
It's no coincidence that the racial group with the lowest out of wedlock birth rates Asians, also have the lowest rates of poverty.
What's even more interesting is that these numbers track fairly neatly with any social pathology you can think of. School dropout rates, criminal activity, shitty credit scores, you name it. They all order themselves in this same pattern. -
You got some nice stats there in italics. Why don't you link your source?SFGbob said:
Statistically, you and your kids are more likely to be poor if you have those kids out of wedlock no matter what your color might be.BennyBeaver said:
So the black people are poor because of bastards. Got it.SFGbob said:
Amazing. Kids who are born to parents who are married do better than kids who are born out of wedlock. Now what were those numbers on out of wedlock births broken down by race?creepycoug said:I fucked up the link:
https://www.urban.org/sites/default/files/publication/90321/escaping-poverty.pdf
I think you'll find they track pretty neatly to the numbers of kids who grow up in poverty when broken down by race.
The fact that over 70% of all blacks kids are born out of wedlock has a huge impact on the poverty rate for blacks.
Among racial and ethnic groups, African Americans had the highest poverty rate, 27.4 percent, followed by Hispanics at 26.6 percent and whites at 9.9 percent.
77% black births to single moms, 49% for Hispanic immigrants
It's no coincidence that the racial group with the lowest out of wedlock birth rates Asians, also have the lowest rates of poverty.
What's even more interesting is that these numbers track fairly neatly with any social pathology you can think of. School dropout rates, criminal activity, shitty credit scores, you name it. They all order themselves in this same pattern. -
Because you don't give a fuckBennyBeaver said:
You got some nice stats there in italics. Why don't you link your source?SFGbob said:
Statistically, you and your kids are more likely to be poor if you have those kids out of wedlock no matter what your color might be.BennyBeaver said:
So the black people are poor because of bastards. Got it.SFGbob said:
Amazing. Kids who are born to parents who are married do better than kids who are born out of wedlock. Now what were those numbers on out of wedlock births broken down by race?creepycoug said:I fucked up the link:
https://www.urban.org/sites/default/files/publication/90321/escaping-poverty.pdf
I think you'll find they track pretty neatly to the numbers of kids who grow up in poverty when broken down by race.
The fact that over 70% of all blacks kids are born out of wedlock has a huge impact on the poverty rate for blacks.
Among racial and ethnic groups, African Americans had the highest poverty rate, 27.4 percent, followed by Hispanics at 26.6 percent and whites at 9.9 percent.
77% black births to single moms, 49% for Hispanic immigrants
It's no coincidence that the racial group with the lowest out of wedlock birth rates Asians, also have the lowest rates of poverty.
What's even more interesting is that these numbers track fairly neatly with any social pathology you can think of. School dropout rates, criminal activity, shitty credit scores, you name it. They all order themselves in this same pattern. -
If you think I'm making up the numbers you're free to say so. And Race is right, you don't give a fuck about the numbers you're just looking for an opening to cry RACIST!!!!!BennyBeaver said:
You got some nice stats there in italics. Why don't you link your source?SFGbob said:
Statistically, you and your kids are more likely to be poor if you have those kids out of wedlock no matter what your color might be.BennyBeaver said:
So the black people are poor because of bastards. Got it.SFGbob said:
Amazing. Kids who are born to parents who are married do better than kids who are born out of wedlock. Now what were those numbers on out of wedlock births broken down by race?creepycoug said:I fucked up the link:
https://www.urban.org/sites/default/files/publication/90321/escaping-poverty.pdf
I think you'll find they track pretty neatly to the numbers of kids who grow up in poverty when broken down by race.
The fact that over 70% of all blacks kids are born out of wedlock has a huge impact on the poverty rate for blacks.
Among racial and ethnic groups, African Americans had the highest poverty rate, 27.4 percent, followed by Hispanics at 26.6 percent and whites at 9.9 percent.
77% black births to single moms, 49% for Hispanic immigrants
It's no coincidence that the racial group with the lowest out of wedlock birth rates Asians, also have the lowest rates of poverty.
What's even more interesting is that these numbers track fairly neatly with any social pathology you can think of. School dropout rates, criminal activity, shitty credit scores, you name it. They all order themselves in this same pattern. -
You sound poor.SFGbob said:
Statistically, you and your kids are more likely to be poor if you have those kids out of wedlock no matter what your color might be.BennyBeaver said:
So the black people are poor because of bastards. Got it.SFGbob said:
Amazing. Kids who are born to parents who are married do better than kids who are born out of wedlock. Now what were those numbers on out of wedlock births broken down by race?creepycoug said:I fucked up the link:
https://www.urban.org/sites/default/files/publication/90321/escaping-poverty.pdf
I think you'll find they track pretty neatly to the numbers of kids who grow up in poverty when broken down by race.
The fact that over 70% of all blacks kids are born out of wedlock has a huge impact on the poverty rate for blacks.
Among racial and ethnic groups, African Americans had the highest poverty rate, 27.4 percent, followed by Hispanics at 26.6 percent and whites at 9.9 percent.
77% black births to single moms, 49% for Hispanic immigrants
It's no coincidence that the racial group with the lowest out of wedlock birth rates Asians, also have the lowest rates of poverty.
What's even more interesting is that these numbers track fairly neatly with any social pathology you can think of. School dropout rates, criminal activity, shitty credit scores, you name it. They all order themselves in this same pattern.
How destitute are you? Hercules / Pinole poor or Clayton / Richmond poor?SFGbob said:
You sound like a really pathetic lightweight.CirrhosisDawg said:
You sound poor.SFGbob said:
Statistically, you and your kids are more likely to be poor if you have those kids out of wedlock no matter what your color might be.BennyBeaver said:
So the black people are poor because of bastards. Got it.SFGbob said:
Amazing. Kids who are born to parents who are married do better than kids who are born out of wedlock. Now what were those numbers on out of wedlock births broken down by race?creepycoug said:I fucked up the link:
https://www.urban.org/sites/default/files/publication/90321/escaping-poverty.pdf
I think you'll find they track pretty neatly to the numbers of kids who grow up in poverty when broken down by race.
The fact that over 70% of all blacks kids are born out of wedlock has a huge impact on the poverty rate for blacks.
Among racial and ethnic groups, African Americans had the highest poverty rate, 27.4 percent, followed by Hispanics at 26.6 percent and whites at 9.9 percent.
77% black births to single moms, 49% for Hispanic immigrants
It's no coincidence that the racial group with the lowest out of wedlock birth rates Asians, also have the lowest rates of poverty.
What's even more interesting is that these numbers track fairly neatly with any social pathology you can think of. School dropout rates, criminal activity, shitty credit scores, you name it. They all order themselves in this same pattern.
Despite my attempts to engage, you never answer my questions... -
Bob rarely provides a link. He doesn't want us to see the underlying information or the rest of the article.BennyBeaver said:
You got some nice stats there in italics. Why don't you link your source?SFGbob said:
Statistically, you and your kids are more likely to be poor if you have those kids out of wedlock no matter what your color might be.BennyBeaver said:
So the black people are poor because of bastards. Got it.SFGbob said:
Amazing. Kids who are born to parents who are married do better than kids who are born out of wedlock. Now what were those numbers on out of wedlock births broken down by race?creepycoug said:I fucked up the link:
https://www.urban.org/sites/default/files/publication/90321/escaping-poverty.pdf
I think you'll find they track pretty neatly to the numbers of kids who grow up in poverty when broken down by race.
The fact that over 70% of all blacks kids are born out of wedlock has a huge impact on the poverty rate for blacks.
Among racial and ethnic groups, African Americans had the highest poverty rate, 27.4 percent, followed by Hispanics at 26.6 percent and whites at 9.9 percent.
77% black births to single moms, 49% for Hispanic immigrants
It's no coincidence that the racial group with the lowest out of wedlock birth rates Asians, also have the lowest rates of poverty.
What's even more interesting is that these numbers track fairly neatly with any social pathology you can think of. School dropout rates, criminal activity, shitty credit scores, you name it. They all order themselves in this same pattern. -
I'm not questioning the veracity of the stats, nor I'm going to call you names. Just asking for the source.SFGbob said:
If you think I'm making up the numbers you're free to say so. And Race is right, you don't give a fuck about the numbers you're just looking for an opening to cry RACIST!!!!!BennyBeaver said:
You got some nice stats there in italics. Why don't you link your source?SFGbob said:
Statistically, you and your kids are more likely to be poor if you have those kids out of wedlock no matter what your color might be.BennyBeaver said:
So the black people are poor because of bastards. Got it.SFGbob said:
Amazing. Kids who are born to parents who are married do better than kids who are born out of wedlock. Now what were those numbers on out of wedlock births broken down by race?creepycoug said:I fucked up the link:
https://www.urban.org/sites/default/files/publication/90321/escaping-poverty.pdf
I think you'll find they track pretty neatly to the numbers of kids who grow up in poverty when broken down by race.
The fact that over 70% of all blacks kids are born out of wedlock has a huge impact on the poverty rate for blacks.
Among racial and ethnic groups, African Americans had the highest poverty rate, 27.4 percent, followed by Hispanics at 26.6 percent and whites at 9.9 percent.
77% black births to single moms, 49% for Hispanic immigrants
It's no coincidence that the racial group with the lowest out of wedlock birth rates Asians, also have the lowest rates of poverty.
What's even more interesting is that these numbers track fairly neatly with any social pathology you can think of. School dropout rates, criminal activity, shitty credit scores, you name it. They all order themselves in this same pattern.
Assuming the the 77% is accurate, is that the cause or effect of poverty? -
Since the poverty rate for blacks was far higher during the 30s, 40s, 50s, and 60s, then it is now and the out of wedlock birth rates for blacks in the early 60s is about what it is for whites now, I think it's pretty safe to call it the cause. If poverty caused high out of wedlock birth rates why wasn't the rate higher when poverty rates were far greater?BennyBeaver said:
I'm not questioning the veracity of the stats, nor I'm going to call you names. Just asking for the source.SFGbob said:
If you think I'm making up the numbers you're free to say so. And Race is right, you don't give a fuck about the numbers you're just looking for an opening to cry RACIST!!!!!BennyBeaver said:
You got some nice stats there in italics. Why don't you link your source?SFGbob said:
Statistically, you and your kids are more likely to be poor if you have those kids out of wedlock no matter what your color might be.BennyBeaver said:
So the black people are poor because of bastards. Got it.SFGbob said:
Amazing. Kids who are born to parents who are married do better than kids who are born out of wedlock. Now what were those numbers on out of wedlock births broken down by race?creepycoug said:I fucked up the link:
https://www.urban.org/sites/default/files/publication/90321/escaping-poverty.pdf
I think you'll find they track pretty neatly to the numbers of kids who grow up in poverty when broken down by race.
The fact that over 70% of all blacks kids are born out of wedlock has a huge impact on the poverty rate for blacks.
Among racial and ethnic groups, African Americans had the highest poverty rate, 27.4 percent, followed by Hispanics at 26.6 percent and whites at 9.9 percent.
77% black births to single moms, 49% for Hispanic immigrants
It's no coincidence that the racial group with the lowest out of wedlock birth rates Asians, also have the lowest rates of poverty.
What's even more interesting is that these numbers track fairly neatly with any social pathology you can think of. School dropout rates, criminal activity, shitty credit scores, you name it. They all order themselves in this same pattern.
Assuming the the 77% is accurate, is that the cause or effect of poverty? -
So you aren't going to post a link.SFGbob said:
Since the poverty rate for blacks was far higher during the 30s, 40s, 50s, and 60s, then it is now and the out of wedlock birth rates for blacks in the early 60s is about what it is for whites now, I think it's pretty safe to call it the cause. If poverty caused high out of wedlock birth rates why wasn't the rate higher when poverty rates were far greater?BennyBeaver said:
I'm not questioning the veracity of the stats, nor I'm going to call you names. Just asking for the source.SFGbob said:
If you think I'm making up the numbers you're free to say so. And Race is right, you don't give a fuck about the numbers you're just looking for an opening to cry RACIST!!!!!BennyBeaver said:
You got some nice stats there in italics. Why don't you link your source?SFGbob said:
Statistically, you and your kids are more likely to be poor if you have those kids out of wedlock no matter what your color might be.BennyBeaver said:
So the black people are poor because of bastards. Got it.SFGbob said:
Amazing. Kids who are born to parents who are married do better than kids who are born out of wedlock. Now what were those numbers on out of wedlock births broken down by race?creepycoug said:I fucked up the link:
https://www.urban.org/sites/default/files/publication/90321/escaping-poverty.pdf
I think you'll find they track pretty neatly to the numbers of kids who grow up in poverty when broken down by race.
The fact that over 70% of all blacks kids are born out of wedlock has a huge impact on the poverty rate for blacks.
Among racial and ethnic groups, African Americans had the highest poverty rate, 27.4 percent, followed by Hispanics at 26.6 percent and whites at 9.9 percent.
77% black births to single moms, 49% for Hispanic immigrants
It's no coincidence that the racial group with the lowest out of wedlock birth rates Asians, also have the lowest rates of poverty.
What's even more interesting is that these numbers track fairly neatly with any social pathology you can think of. School dropout rates, criminal activity, shitty credit scores, you name it. They all order themselves in this same pattern.
Assuming the the 77% is accurate, is that the cause or effect of poverty? -
*thanSFGbob said:
Since the poverty rate for blacks was far higher during the 30s, 40s, 50s, and 60s, then it is now and the out of wedlock birth rates for blacks in the early 60s is about what it is for whites now, I think it's pretty safe to call it the cause. If poverty caused high out of wedlock birth rates why wasn't the rate higher when poverty rates were far greater?BennyBeaver said:
I'm not questioning the veracity of the stats, nor I'm going to call you names. Just asking for the source.SFGbob said:
If you think I'm making up the numbers you're free to say so. And Race is right, you don't give a fuck about the numbers you're just looking for an opening to cry RACIST!!!!!BennyBeaver said:
You got some nice stats there in italics. Why don't you link your source?SFGbob said:
Statistically, you and your kids are more likely to be poor if you have those kids out of wedlock no matter what your color might be.BennyBeaver said:
So the black people are poor because of bastards. Got it.SFGbob said:
Amazing. Kids who are born to parents who are married do better than kids who are born out of wedlock. Now what were those numbers on out of wedlock births broken down by race?creepycoug said:I fucked up the link:
https://www.urban.org/sites/default/files/publication/90321/escaping-poverty.pdf
I think you'll find they track pretty neatly to the numbers of kids who grow up in poverty when broken down by race.
The fact that over 70% of all blacks kids are born out of wedlock has a huge impact on the poverty rate for blacks.
Among racial and ethnic groups, African Americans had the highest poverty rate, 27.4 percent, followed by Hispanics at 26.6 percent and whites at 9.9 percent.
77% black births to single moms, 49% for Hispanic immigrants
It's no coincidence that the racial group with the lowest out of wedlock birth rates Asians, also have the lowest rates of poverty.
What's even more interesting is that these numbers track fairly neatly with any social pathology you can think of. School dropout rates, criminal activity, shitty credit scores, you name it. They all order themselves in this same pattern.
Assuming the the 77% is accurate, is that the cause or effect of poverty?
So whites will be as poor as blacks because of equal out of wedlock birth rates. -
Catholics are not supposed to vote against their beliefs.BennyBeaver said:Why do those dirty Italian Catholic immigrants vote for the Democrats? Or those stupid Irish immigrants? Or the Pollacks?
All those poor immigrants looking for free stuff. They're gonna VOTE (omg, save us). The end is nigh.
Fuck off.
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YesBennyBeaver said:
*thanSFGbob said:
Since the poverty rate for blacks was far higher during the 30s, 40s, 50s, and 60s, then it is now and the out of wedlock birth rates for blacks in the early 60s is about what it is for whites now, I think it's pretty safe to call it the cause. If poverty caused high out of wedlock birth rates why wasn't the rate higher when poverty rates were far greater?BennyBeaver said:
I'm not questioning the veracity of the stats, nor I'm going to call you names. Just asking for the source.SFGbob said:
If you think I'm making up the numbers you're free to say so. And Race is right, you don't give a fuck about the numbers you're just looking for an opening to cry RACIST!!!!!BennyBeaver said:
You got some nice stats there in italics. Why don't you link your source?SFGbob said:
Statistically, you and your kids are more likely to be poor if you have those kids out of wedlock no matter what your color might be.BennyBeaver said:
So the black people are poor because of bastards. Got it.SFGbob said:
Amazing. Kids who are born to parents who are married do better than kids who are born out of wedlock. Now what were those numbers on out of wedlock births broken down by race?creepycoug said:I fucked up the link:
https://www.urban.org/sites/default/files/publication/90321/escaping-poverty.pdf
I think you'll find they track pretty neatly to the numbers of kids who grow up in poverty when broken down by race.
The fact that over 70% of all blacks kids are born out of wedlock has a huge impact on the poverty rate for blacks.
Among racial and ethnic groups, African Americans had the highest poverty rate, 27.4 percent, followed by Hispanics at 26.6 percent and whites at 9.9 percent.
77% black births to single moms, 49% for Hispanic immigrants
It's no coincidence that the racial group with the lowest out of wedlock birth rates Asians, also have the lowest rates of poverty.
What's even more interesting is that these numbers track fairly neatly with any social pathology you can think of. School dropout rates, criminal activity, shitty credit scores, you name it. They all order themselves in this same pattern.
Assuming the the 77% is accurate, is that the cause or effect of poverty?
So whites will be as poor as blacks because of equal out of wedlock birth rates. -
You got some nice stats there in italics. Why don't you link your source?
I provide links. Which you ignore. Dumbfuck was afraid the learn something. -
You got some nice stats there in italics. Why don't you link your source?MikeDamone said:
I provide links. Which you ignore. Dumbfuck was afraid the learn something.
¿Que? -
When? How long will it take?RaceBannon said:
YesBennyBeaver said:
*thanSFGbob said:
Since the poverty rate for blacks was far higher during the 30s, 40s, 50s, and 60s, then it is now and the out of wedlock birth rates for blacks in the early 60s is about what it is for whites now, I think it's pretty safe to call it the cause. If poverty caused high out of wedlock birth rates why wasn't the rate higher when poverty rates were far greater?BennyBeaver said:
I'm not questioning the veracity of the stats, nor I'm going to call you names. Just asking for the source.SFGbob said:
If you think I'm making up the numbers you're free to say so. And Race is right, you don't give a fuck about the numbers you're just looking for an opening to cry RACIST!!!!!BennyBeaver said:
You got some nice stats there in italics. Why don't you link your source?SFGbob said:
Statistically, you and your kids are more likely to be poor if you have those kids out of wedlock no matter what your color might be.BennyBeaver said:
So the black people are poor because of bastards. Got it.SFGbob said:
Amazing. Kids who are born to parents who are married do better than kids who are born out of wedlock. Now what were those numbers on out of wedlock births broken down by race?creepycoug said:I fucked up the link:
https://www.urban.org/sites/default/files/publication/90321/escaping-poverty.pdf
I think you'll find they track pretty neatly to the numbers of kids who grow up in poverty when broken down by race.
The fact that over 70% of all blacks kids are born out of wedlock has a huge impact on the poverty rate for blacks.
Among racial and ethnic groups, African Americans had the highest poverty rate, 27.4 percent, followed by Hispanics at 26.6 percent and whites at 9.9 percent.
77% black births to single moms, 49% for Hispanic immigrants
It's no coincidence that the racial group with the lowest out of wedlock birth rates Asians, also have the lowest rates of poverty.
What's even more interesting is that these numbers track fairly neatly with any social pathology you can think of. School dropout rates, criminal activity, shitty credit scores, you name it. They all order themselves in this same pattern.
Assuming the the 77% is accurate, is that the cause or effect of poverty?
So whites will be as poor as blacks because of equal out of wedlock birth rates. -
You don't think white people are stuck in poverty due to this?BennyBeaver said:
When? How long will it take?RaceBannon said:
YesBennyBeaver said:
*thanSFGbob said:
Since the poverty rate for blacks was far higher during the 30s, 40s, 50s, and 60s, then it is now and the out of wedlock birth rates for blacks in the early 60s is about what it is for whites now, I think it's pretty safe to call it the cause. If poverty caused high out of wedlock birth rates why wasn't the rate higher when poverty rates were far greater?BennyBeaver said:
I'm not questioning the veracity of the stats, nor I'm going to call you names. Just asking for the source.SFGbob said:
If you think I'm making up the numbers you're free to say so. And Race is right, you don't give a fuck about the numbers you're just looking for an opening to cry RACIST!!!!!BennyBeaver said:
You got some nice stats there in italics. Why don't you link your source?SFGbob said:
Statistically, you and your kids are more likely to be poor if you have those kids out of wedlock no matter what your color might be.BennyBeaver said:
So the black people are poor because of bastards. Got it.SFGbob said:
Amazing. Kids who are born to parents who are married do better than kids who are born out of wedlock. Now what were those numbers on out of wedlock births broken down by race?creepycoug said:I fucked up the link:
https://www.urban.org/sites/default/files/publication/90321/escaping-poverty.pdf
I think you'll find they track pretty neatly to the numbers of kids who grow up in poverty when broken down by race.
The fact that over 70% of all blacks kids are born out of wedlock has a huge impact on the poverty rate for blacks.
Among racial and ethnic groups, African Americans had the highest poverty rate, 27.4 percent, followed by Hispanics at 26.6 percent and whites at 9.9 percent.
77% black births to single moms, 49% for Hispanic immigrants
It's no coincidence that the racial group with the lowest out of wedlock birth rates Asians, also have the lowest rates of poverty.
What's even more interesting is that these numbers track fairly neatly with any social pathology you can think of. School dropout rates, criminal activity, shitty credit scores, you name it. They all order themselves in this same pattern.
Assuming the the 77% is accurate, is that the cause or effect of poverty?
So whites will be as poor as blacks because of equal out of wedlock birth rates.
Wow
You do realize that not all Blacks are poor?
I hope -
It must be a real shock to him to learn at this late date that there are plenty of poor white folks and that whites who have children out of wedlock also have a higher probability of living in poverty.RaceBannon said:
You don't think white people are stuck in poverty due to this?BennyBeaver said:
When? How long will it take?RaceBannon said:
YesBennyBeaver said:
*thanSFGbob said:
Since the poverty rate for blacks was far higher during the 30s, 40s, 50s, and 60s, then it is now and the out of wedlock birth rates for blacks in the early 60s is about what it is for whites now, I think it's pretty safe to call it the cause. If poverty caused high out of wedlock birth rates why wasn't the rate higher when poverty rates were far greater?BennyBeaver said:
I'm not questioning the veracity of the stats, nor I'm going to call you names. Just asking for the source.SFGbob said:
If you think I'm making up the numbers you're free to say so. And Race is right, you don't give a fuck about the numbers you're just looking for an opening to cry RACIST!!!!!BennyBeaver said:
You got some nice stats there in italics. Why don't you link your source?SFGbob said:
Statistically, you and your kids are more likely to be poor if you have those kids out of wedlock no matter what your color might be.BennyBeaver said:
So the black people are poor because of bastards. Got it.SFGbob said:
Amazing. Kids who are born to parents who are married do better than kids who are born out of wedlock. Now what were those numbers on out of wedlock births broken down by race?creepycoug said:I fucked up the link:
https://www.urban.org/sites/default/files/publication/90321/escaping-poverty.pdf
I think you'll find they track pretty neatly to the numbers of kids who grow up in poverty when broken down by race.
The fact that over 70% of all blacks kids are born out of wedlock has a huge impact on the poverty rate for blacks.
Among racial and ethnic groups, African Americans had the highest poverty rate, 27.4 percent, followed by Hispanics at 26.6 percent and whites at 9.9 percent.
77% black births to single moms, 49% for Hispanic immigrants
It's no coincidence that the racial group with the lowest out of wedlock birth rates Asians, also have the lowest rates of poverty.
What's even more interesting is that these numbers track fairly neatly with any social pathology you can think of. School dropout rates, criminal activity, shitty credit scores, you name it. They all order themselves in this same pattern.
Assuming the the 77% is accurate, is that the cause or effect of poverty?
So whites will be as poor as blacks because of equal out of wedlock birth rates.
Wow
You do realize that not all Blacks are poor?
I hope -
I'm shocked to learn that since the 60s the out of wedlock rates for blacks is the same as whites, but more blacks are in poverty.SFGbob said:
It must be a real shock to him to learn at this late date that there are plenty of poor white folks and that whites who have children out of wedlock also have a higher probability of living in poverty.RaceBannon said:
You don't think white people are stuck in poverty due to this?BennyBeaver said:
When? How long will it take?RaceBannon said:
YesBennyBeaver said:
*thanSFGbob said:
Since the poverty rate for blacks was far higher during the 30s, 40s, 50s, and 60s, then it is now and the out of wedlock birth rates for blacks in the early 60s is about what it is for whites now, I think it's pretty safe to call it the cause. If poverty caused high out of wedlock birth rates why wasn't the rate higher when poverty rates were far greater?BennyBeaver said:
I'm not questioning the veracity of the stats, nor I'm going to call you names. Just asking for the source.SFGbob said:
If you think I'm making up the numbers you're free to say so. And Race is right, you don't give a fuck about the numbers you're just looking for an opening to cry RACIST!!!!!BennyBeaver said:
You got some nice stats there in italics. Why don't you link your source?SFGbob said:
Statistically, you and your kids are more likely to be poor if you have those kids out of wedlock no matter what your color might be.BennyBeaver said:
So the black people are poor because of bastards. Got it.SFGbob said:
Amazing. Kids who are born to parents who are married do better than kids who are born out of wedlock. Now what were those numbers on out of wedlock births broken down by race?creepycoug said:I fucked up the link:
https://www.urban.org/sites/default/files/publication/90321/escaping-poverty.pdf
I think you'll find they track pretty neatly to the numbers of kids who grow up in poverty when broken down by race.
The fact that over 70% of all blacks kids are born out of wedlock has a huge impact on the poverty rate for blacks.
Among racial and ethnic groups, African Americans had the highest poverty rate, 27.4 percent, followed by Hispanics at 26.6 percent and whites at 9.9 percent.
77% black births to single moms, 49% for Hispanic immigrants
It's no coincidence that the racial group with the lowest out of wedlock birth rates Asians, also have the lowest rates of poverty.
What's even more interesting is that these numbers track fairly neatly with any social pathology you can think of. School dropout rates, criminal activity, shitty credit scores, you name it. They all order themselves in this same pattern.
Assuming the the 77% is accurate, is that the cause or effect of poverty?
So whites will be as poor as blacks because of equal out of wedlock birth rates.
Wow
You do realize that not all Blacks are poor?
I hope -
You must have learned that from putting your head up your ass because I’ve not said that and it isn’t true.BennyBeaver said:
I'm shocked to learn that since the 60s the out of wedlock rates for blacks is the same as whites, but more blacks are in poverty.SFGbob said:
It must be a real shock to him to learn at this late date that there are plenty of poor white folks and that whites who have children out of wedlock also have a higher probability of living in poverty.RaceBannon said:
You don't think white people are stuck in poverty due to this?BennyBeaver said:
When? How long will it take?RaceBannon said:
YesBennyBeaver said:
*thanSFGbob said:
Since the poverty rate for blacks was far higher during the 30s, 40s, 50s, and 60s, then it is now and the out of wedlock birth rates for blacks in the early 60s is about what it is for whites now, I think it's pretty safe to call it the cause. If poverty caused high out of wedlock birth rates why wasn't the rate higher when poverty rates were far greater?BennyBeaver said:
I'm not questioning the veracity of the stats, nor I'm going to call you names. Just asking for the source.SFGbob said:
If you think I'm making up the numbers you're free to say so. And Race is right, you don't give a fuck about the numbers you're just looking for an opening to cry RACIST!!!!!BennyBeaver said:
You got some nice stats there in italics. Why don't you link your source?SFGbob said:
Statistically, you and your kids are more likely to be poor if you have those kids out of wedlock no matter what your color might be.BennyBeaver said:
So the black people are poor because of bastards. Got it.SFGbob said:
Amazing. Kids who are born to parents who are married do better than kids who are born out of wedlock. Now what were those numbers on out of wedlock births broken down by race?creepycoug said:I fucked up the link:
https://www.urban.org/sites/default/files/publication/90321/escaping-poverty.pdf
I think you'll find they track pretty neatly to the numbers of kids who grow up in poverty when broken down by race.
The fact that over 70% of all blacks kids are born out of wedlock has a huge impact on the poverty rate for blacks.
Among racial and ethnic groups, African Americans had the highest poverty rate, 27.4 percent, followed by Hispanics at 26.6 percent and whites at 9.9 percent.
77% black births to single moms, 49% for Hispanic immigrants
It's no coincidence that the racial group with the lowest out of wedlock birth rates Asians, also have the lowest rates of poverty.
What's even more interesting is that these numbers track fairly neatly with any social pathology you can think of. School dropout rates, criminal activity, shitty credit scores, you name it. They all order themselves in this same pattern.
Assuming the the 77% is accurate, is that the cause or effect of poverty?
So whites will be as poor as blacks because of equal out of wedlock birth rates.
Wow
You do realize that not all Blacks are poor?
I hope -
Agree,creepycoug said:
I'm guessing, but do not know or cannot prove, that there are some externalities to consider along with those numbers. For example, as touchy a subject as it is in the Tug, the we all know that the degree of racism a typical black person had to deal with pre-Civil Rights Act was a massive disadvantage ... access to quality education, opportunity in the work place, opportunity to climb in the social strata which feeds back into work opportunity, etc. etc. Another thing to consider is that being born out of wedlock is much less of a social issue today than it was a while back. The term "bastard" isn't quite the insult today it was 60 years ago. People aren't as hung up on that kind of thing from a social/shame standpoint. If you were black and a bastard in 1930, you had two vary large weights tied to your ankles. Today, much less so.SFGbob said:
Since the poverty rate for blacks was far higher during the 30s, 40s, 50s, and 60s, then it is now and the out of wedlock birth rates for blacks in the early 60s is about what it is for whites now, I think it's pretty safe to call it the cause. If poverty caused high out of wedlock birth rates why wasn't the rate higher when poverty rates were far greater?BennyBeaver said:
I'm not questioning the veracity of the stats, nor I'm going to call you names. Just asking for the source.SFGbob said:
If you think I'm making up the numbers you're free to say so. And Race is right, you don't give a fuck about the numbers you're just looking for an opening to cry RACIST!!!!!BennyBeaver said:
You got some nice stats there in italics. Why don't you link your source?SFGbob said:
Statistically, you and your kids are more likely to be poor if you have those kids out of wedlock no matter what your color might be.BennyBeaver said:
So the black people are poor because of bastards. Got it.SFGbob said:
Amazing. Kids who are born to parents who are married do better than kids who are born out of wedlock. Now what were those numbers on out of wedlock births broken down by race?creepycoug said:I fucked up the link:
https://www.urban.org/sites/default/files/publication/90321/escaping-poverty.pdf
I think you'll find they track pretty neatly to the numbers of kids who grow up in poverty when broken down by race.
The fact that over 70% of all blacks kids are born out of wedlock has a huge impact on the poverty rate for blacks.
Among racial and ethnic groups, African Americans had the highest poverty rate, 27.4 percent, followed by Hispanics at 26.6 percent and whites at 9.9 percent.
77% black births to single moms, 49% for Hispanic immigrants
It's no coincidence that the racial group with the lowest out of wedlock birth rates Asians, also have the lowest rates of poverty.
What's even more interesting is that these numbers track fairly neatly with any social pathology you can think of. School dropout rates, criminal activity, shitty credit scores, you name it. They all order themselves in this same pattern.
Assuming the the 77% is accurate, is that the cause or effect of poverty?
But I also don't dispute the point intellectually. Like Robert Redford said in The Nautural, "Sure, a father makes all the difference." My wife and I have different roles raising our kids; she's better at hers and I'm better at mine. Moreover, our division of labor is such that I make sure we have financial resources, and she makes sure someone always has time for them. I think that's a better arrangement myself. And mind you, it has not always been smooth sailing even with our arrangement, which today is one of privilege (wife hasn't worked in 23 years). Anyone who raises children who says it's all good is lying to you. It tuff, even with our situation. I can't imagine footing it alone ... something would fall through the cracks. -
I'm guessing, but do not know or cannot prove, that there are some externalities to consider along with those numbers. For example, as touchy a subject as it is in the Tug, the we all know that the degree of racism a typical black person had to deal with pre-Civil Rights Act was a massive disadvantage ... access to quality education, opportunity in the work place, opportunity to climb in the social strata which feeds back into work opportunity, etc. etc. Another thing to consider is that being born out of wedlock is much less of a social issue today than it was a while back. The term "bastard" isn't quite the insult today it was 60 years ago. People aren't as hung up on that kind of thing from a social/shame standpoint. If you were black and a bastard in 1930, you had two vary large weights tied to your ankles. Today, much less so.
But I also don't dispute the point intellectually. Like Robert Redford said in The Nautural, "Sure, a father makes all the difference." My wife and I have different roles raising our kids; she's better at hers and I'm better at mine. Moreover, our division of labor is such that I make sure we have financial resources, and she makes sure someone always has time for the kids. I think that's a better arrangement myself. And mind you, it has not always been smooth sailing even with our arrangement, which today is one of privilege (wife hasn't worked in 23 years). Anyone who raises children who says it's all good is lying to you. It's tuff, even with our situation. I can't imagine footing it alone ... something would fall through the cracks.
