Good Starter Watch - High End


If you are thinking you want to take that first jump into an "exclusive" high end watch - above typical mall brands like Movado, Rado, Tag (yes I realize they have a couple in house chronographs and make some nice watches, but they are still primarily a mall watch) and others, I'd like to tell you about Tudor watches. They have really come on like gangbusters the last several years with true watch fans, and they are making some fantastic pieces at relatively (for this hobby) affordable prices.
So, Tudor has been around for ages (1946), and were started by the same guy who started Rolex. In fact, they have been THE baby brother arm of Rolex since 1946. If you walk into a Rolex AD, you will find two watches for sale, Rolex, and Tudor. The DNA across both brands is similar, but Tudor were always an "entry" level watch, for people who couldn't afford Rolex but were in the store and loved them.
Anyway, up until the last 10-15 years they were just always viewed as the ETA low range of Rolex. ETA means the watch movement is mass produced by someone else and supplied to the maker to put in a watch case/bezel that they designed. It is quite common, even with many high end makers. Many people would be surprised to know that their 6K Omega has a movement that Omega didn't make, but bought from some supplier. Many Omegas of course have in house movements, but not nearly all...if you are looking at a 4K Omega, most likely the guts aren't actually made by Omega, hence an ETA watch. Still plenty of nice pieces out there with ETA movements, but watch snobs always look down on them.
So, to those who are really into watches having an "in house," or Manufacture Calibre (the movement inside the watch) is a big deal. It signifies being a true watch maker, not a watch packager. Fast forward to about 7-8 years ago, and Tudor "broke away" from Rolex (not literally but figuratively) and began developing their own in house movements. Now, most of their line are still ETA based (Breitling is the same way - over half their watches are ETA, but they have some higher end stuff built on their new but already famous B01 movement that was made in house), but a select few pieces are now made in house, and they are fantastic value for the money. They recently released their first true chronograph, in partnership with Breitlign and their robust B01 movement, which Tudor tweaked. Excellent piece that runs about 5K. But, an even better value, and three watches made truly in house are the Black Bay, Pelagos and North Flag. If I wanted my first nice high end watch, with an in house movement, and a good name behind them, and I wasn't looking to unload 5-20K on it, I'd start with Tudor.
This assumes you like tool or dive watches of course. Tudor does not really offer a dressy watch yet in an in house arrangement, and may never, as Rolex doesn't offer many dress watches either. They are the "tool watch" maker others aspire to be. In fact, you can see a lot of Rolex in the Black Bay, and the Pelagos to be honest. I prefer the North Flag, but it is an acquired taste, and it is on my short list of watches to acquire - I love the Power Reserve complication. Anyway, grey market (Jomashop, Authentic Watches, etc) these things probably fetch between high 2's-4K. If you have any questions ask. I only know about 5 things in this world and beside immoral women, off roading, hunting and inebriation, this is the only other thing I know anything about.
Tudor Black Bay GMT (GMT function at this price is killer):

Tudor Black Bay Dark:

Tudor Pelagos:

Tudor North Flag:
That's it for in house. Enjoy, or don't. Fuck off either way.
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Beautiful pieces. They do look like Rolexes with just a different name. My dad has the late 80s Rolex version of the black bay GMT which has always been my favorite watch.
The Tudor Black Bay is still $3875 retail which ain’t no Swatch. -
The date on my Speedy stopped working, should I shell out the 750 to get it serviced at Omega, or if what you're saying is true is it safe for a private watch business ( good reviews) will do it for 250
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The Throbber barks for Timex.
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Yeah, I never said Tudor's were cheap. They are just an affordable (relative) way to enter the haute horology world with a true in house movement. 3K is about as cheap as it goes to enter that world.YellowSnow said:Beautiful pieces. They do look like Rolexes with just a different name. My dad has the late 80s Rolex version of the black bay GMT which has always been my favorite watch.
The Tudor Black Bay is still $3875 retail which ain’t no Swatch.
Here's another pro tip: Buy used. I buy used watches, and trade watches for other used watches, all the time. Great deals to be had on the secondary market. -
If it is a true Speedy then it is probably an in house movement - is it manual wind or automatic? If you give me the exact age and model Speedy I can tell you. Anyway, if it is for some reason ETA based I'd send it to any reputable service center, but if it is an actual Omega manufacture I'd send it to Omega. Or, you can try places like Govberg Jewelers which are ADs for all the big brands and have what is far beyond normal servicing ability.Doogles said:The date on my Speedy stopped working, should I shell out the 750 to get it serviced at Omega, or if what you're saying is true is it safe for a private watch business ( good reviews) will do it for 250
In fact, to my above point about trading and buying used watches, Govberg has become my go to source for watch swapping. If you need an intro to a good cat there who will take care of you and usually take money off the advertised price, PM me. -
JFC there's two of these damn threads
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You sound pour.LebamDawg said:JFC there's two of these damn threads
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It's this guy:Swaye said:
If it is a true Speedy then it is probably an in house movement - is it manual wind or automatic? If you give me the exact age and model Speedy I can tell you. Anyway, if it is for some reason ETA based I'd send it to any reputable service center, but if it is an actual Omega manufacture I'd send it to Omega. Or, you can try places like Govberg Jewelers which are ADs for all the big brands and have what is far beyond normal servicing ability.Doogles said:The date on my Speedy stopped working, should I shell out the 750 to get it serviced at Omega, or if what you're saying is true is it safe for a private watch business ( good reviews) will do it for 250
In fact, to my above point about trading and buying used watches, Govberg has become my go to source for watch swapping. If you need an intro to a good cat there who will take care of you and usually take money off the advertised price, PM me.
I'm thinking it's their movement when I read the description:
Either way, I drunkenly adjusted the date when I wasn't supposed to and that function hasn't worked since.
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Hey man, that's a cool watch. So, from a movement perspective, what you have there is called an Omega 1164. What is that? It is a modified Valjoux 7750. So, you have an ETA watch, but the good news is you have the absolute top tier of ETA movements. Modified means Omega took the base ETA movement and customized it specifically for their purpose in this watch. The 7750 chrono movement is the bar for ETA chronos, and you have a little Omega customization thrown in for good measure. Nice watch. Good news is you can get this serviced by almost any reputable service center that deals in high end watches, and save yourself some quid. I see no reason to send it to Omega.Doogles said:
It's this guy:Swaye said:
If it is a true Speedy then it is probably an in house movement - is it manual wind or automatic? If you give me the exact age and model Speedy I can tell you. Anyway, if it is for some reason ETA based I'd send it to any reputable service center, but if it is an actual Omega manufacture I'd send it to Omega. Or, you can try places like Govberg Jewelers which are ADs for all the big brands and have what is far beyond normal servicing ability.Doogles said:The date on my Speedy stopped working, should I shell out the 750 to get it serviced at Omega, or if what you're saying is true is it safe for a private watch business ( good reviews) will do it for 250
In fact, to my above point about trading and buying used watches, Govberg has become my go to source for watch swapping. If you need an intro to a good cat there who will take care of you and usually take money off the advertised price, PM me.
I'm thinking it's their movement when I read the description:
Either way, I drunkenly adjusted the date when I wasn't supposed to and that function hasn't worked since. -
I know a duck who is into watches. May or may not come from Arizona. Looks weird on an actual duck but he has taste
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Orkin pays like shit. I steal and rob a lot.89ute said: -
It's cheaper to tell time at home
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The fuck is
GMT
ETA
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I think you just got a new jerb.Swaye said:
Selling watches.
And fuck you for disparaging Tag. I bought this years ago and still wear it.
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The Grand Daddy is coming up for sale.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-01-21/patek-philippe-may-come-up-for-sale-berenberg-analysts-say
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FO, G.BennyBeaver said: -
To be fair, I did put in a disclaimer that they do make some nice watches. I like the Autavia Caliber quite a bit. Nice chrono. And some of their vintage Monaco's are tits, provided you like a square faced watch. But, they are sold in mall department stores. Basically Tag has two lines, one for high end, and then one for moderate priced watches you find in department stores. That's a good thing. Not everyone can or should drop 5K + on a damn watch.pawz said:
I think you just got a new jerb.Swaye said:
Selling watches.
And fuck you for disparaging Tag. I bought this years ago and still wear it.
Cool Kirium btw. -
I didn't read the article but I wonder who will go all in for Patek, Richemont or Swatch? Patek is one of the last totally vertically integrated shops out there. In another 20 years there will be Richemont family watches, Swatch family watches, and Rolex/Tudor.pawz said:The Grand Daddy is coming up for sale.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-01-21/patek-philippe-may-come-up-for-sale-berenberg-analysts-say -
Here is an article on what ETA is if anyone actually cares.BennyBeaver said:The fuck is
GMT
ETA
and any other acronyms
https://www.gentlemansgazette.com/eta-watch-movement/
GMT is simply Greenwich Mean Time, and means the watch has a normal three hand movement, but also a fourth hand that can be set on whatever time zone you are in. In short, it's a watch that tells time in two time zones. International travelers and pilots love them. You can see, at a glance, the time where you took off, and the time where you are. Originally developed for military pilots (half the shit in high end watches were originally developed for military applications) so they could quickly do timing calculation in the cockpit. -
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Gentleman’s Gazette is your source?Swaye said:
Here is an article on what ETA is if anyone actually cares.BennyBeaver said:The fuck is
GMT
ETA
and any other acronyms
https://www.gentlemansgazette.com/eta-watch-movement/
GMT is simply Greenwich Mean Time, and means the watch has a normal three hand movement, but also a fourth hand that can be set on whatever time zone you are in. In short, it's a watch that tells time in two time zones. International travelers and pilots love them. You can see, at a glance, the time where you took off, and the time where you are. Originally developed for military pilots (half the shit in high end watches were originally developed for military applications) so they could quickly do timing calculation in the cockpit. -
They've got that heritage line that looks like the old huers and it's pretty hot.Swaye said:
To be fair, I did put in a disclaimer that they do make some nice watches. I like the Autavia Caliber quite a bit. Nice chrono. And some of their vintage Monaco's are tits, provided you like a square faced watch. But, they are sold in mall department stores. Basically Tag has two lines, one for high end, and then one for moderate priced watches you find in department stores. That's a good thing. Not everyone can or should drop 5K + on a damn watch.pawz said:
I think you just got a new jerb.Swaye said:
Selling watches.
And fuck you for disparaging Tag. I bought this years ago and still wear it.
Cool Kirium btw. -
Rolex would be cooler if they gave up on being luxury watches for the 50+ crowd and focused on what they were before bond. Bad ass bulletproof tool watchesSwaye said:
I didn't read the article but I wonder who will go all in for Patek, Richemont or Swatch? Patek is one of the last totally vertically integrated shops out there. In another 20 years there will be Richemont family watches, Swatch family watches, and Rolex/Tudor.pawz said:The Grand Daddy is coming up for sale.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-01-21/patek-philippe-may-come-up-for-sale-berenberg-analysts-say -
They would be cooler if they brought their prices down 20%.Pitchfork51 said:
Rolex would be cooler if they gave up on being luxury watches for the 50+ crowd and focused on what they were before bond. Bad ass bulletproof tool watchesSwaye said:
I didn't read the article but I wonder who will go all in for Patek, Richemont or Swatch? Patek is one of the last totally vertically integrated shops out there. In another 20 years there will be Richemont family watches, Swatch family watches, and Rolex/Tudor.pawz said:The Grand Daddy is coming up for sale.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-01-21/patek-philippe-may-come-up-for-sale-berenberg-analysts-say