Metal started ramping up when I was in college (early 80's), as I was getting into older stuff (Stones, Beatles, Byrds, Who, Doors), and also into Punk/New Wave, with the dawn of Mtv. I have grown to like some of it (Motorhead, Metallica, and a few others), but it just didn't resonate with me as a genre...
If the Ozzy version of black Sabbath is metal then that strengthens it a lot for me. I pretty much like the standard metal songs otherwise...Metallica in other words.
Sabbath invented metal so therefore metal.
Thats a neverending debate though. They weren't the first to rev up the blues and weren't the first to feature a jazz drummer. Progenitor of metal is a label I see more frequently, but the same label can apply to Led Zep, Deep Purple and others...hell even Hendrix and Santana.
I feel like Sabbath became more metallic over time, mainly after Paranoid. I really know fuckall though.
The line between early metal and loud blues rock is pretty blurry. Cream, Zep, Deep Purple all still had some bluesy "swing" to their sound, but Sabbath stripped that out entirely. I still consider Zep and Deep Purple to be early metal, but it's messy for some. With Sabbath it's completely clear where they fit.
Metal started ramping up when I was in college (early 80's), as I was getting into older stuff (Stones, Beatles, Byrds, Who, Doors), and also into Punk/New Wave, with the dawn of Mtv. I have grown to like some of it (Motorhead, Metallica, and a few others), but it just didn't resonate with me as a genre...
If the Ozzy version of black Sabbath is metal then that strengthens it a lot for me. I pretty much like the standard metal songs otherwise...Metallica in other words.
Sabbath invented metal so therefore metal.
Thats a neverending debate though. They weren't the first to rev up the blues and weren't the first to feature a jazz drummer. Progenitor of metal is a label I see more frequently, but the same label can apply to Led Zep, Deep Purple and others...hell even Hendrix and Santana.
I feel like Sabbath became more metallic over time, mainly after Paranoid. I really know fuckall though.
The line between early metal and loud blues rock is pretty blurry. Cream, Zep, Deep Purple all still had some bluesy "swing" to their sound, but Sabbath stripped that out entirely. I still consider Zep and Deep Purple to be early metal, but it's messy for some. With Sabbath it's completely clear where they fit.
You nailed it for me…I am a big proponent of the “swing”, and I don’t hear it in most metal. You mention Cream, LZ, DP…three of the greatest drummers ever, Bill Ward in there too. Jazz guys make it swing
Metal started ramping up when I was in college (early 80's), as I was getting into older stuff (Stones, Beatles, Byrds, Who, Doors), and also into Punk/New Wave, with the dawn of Mtv. I have grown to like some of it (Motorhead, Metallica, and a few others), but it just didn't resonate with me as a genre...
If the Ozzy version of black Sabbath is metal then that strengthens it a lot for me. I pretty much like the standard metal songs otherwise...Metallica in other words.
Sabbath invented metal so therefore metal.
Thats a neverending debate though. They weren't the first to rev up the blues and weren't the first to feature a jazz drummer. Progenitor of metal is a label I see more frequently, but the same label can apply to Led Zep, Deep Purple and others...hell even Hendrix and Santana.
I feel like Sabbath became more metallic over time, mainly after Paranoid. I really know fuckall though.
The line between early metal and loud blues rock is pretty blurry. Cream, Zep, Deep Purple all still had some bluesy "swing" to their sound, but Sabbath stripped that out entirely. I still consider Zep and Deep Purple to be early metal, but it's messy for some. With Sabbath it's completely clear where they fit.
You nailed it for me…I am a big proponent of the “swing”, and I don’t hear it in most metal. You mention Cream, LZ, DP…three of the greatest drummers ever, Bill Ward in there too. Jazz guys make it swing
Hence why I've always gravitated more to "hard rock" vs true metal. Zep, AC/DC, Van Halen, G n' R, all kept a bit of the "swing" to one degree or another.
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But I liked Judas Priest before I heard the Sex Pistols so ...
Not into metal except on videos where there are tits