The rule clearly states that if a player loses the ball out of bands and its caused by contact from the other team that its the player's team's ball. At least thats what NBA TV mentioned. Seems pretty clear cut to me. But like Road said, the 3 point phantom call was total BS. Paul didn't even touch him.
The CP3 was a foul but the call on the Reggie Jackson play was an abortion. Clippers most definitely shot themselves in the foot way too many times but that call was huge. I don't care if Jackson was fouled, they didn't call it so the replay should have been about who the ball went off of not "oh wow he was fouled and the ball was clearly off him so lets just make up for it by giving them the ball and call in inconclusive"
Born in the Philadelphia suburb Havertown, Pennsylvania, Donaghy attended Cardinal O'Hara High School in Springfield, Pennsylvania[4] along with three other NBA referees: Joe Crawford, Mike Callahan, and Ed Malloy.[10]
I love that a ref who was busted for rigging games went to the same high school as Joey Crawford who is involved in a ton of shady games yet the NBA continues to trot him out there.
1) The Bastard Sonics had 17 free throws in the first quarter? Without gift wrapping them trips to the line they would have been blown out of the game by halftime.
2) That CP3 gif that APAG put up there is actually great. Looks like CP3's arm was straight up to me. When I first saw the play, the first thing that went through my head was "that wasn't a foul." The second thought through my head was that the refs bailed out Westbrook for taking a TERRIBLE shot.
1) The Bastard Sonics had 17 free throws in the first quarter? Without gift wrapping them trips to the line they would have been blown out of the game by halftime.
2) That CP3 gif that APAG put up there is actually great. Looks like CP3's arm was straight up to me. When I first saw the play, the first thing that went through my head was "that wasn't a foul." The second thought through my head was that the refs bailed out Westbrook for taking a TERRIBLE shot.
It really was an awful shot. Down by 2 and he settles for a contested 3 pointer with like 6 seconds to go???? Westbrook is all about hero ball. Very fortunate the Clippers have a racist owner so the league wants them gone ASAP.
Since it looks like the Thunder will be beating My Clippers now I am now rooting for G-Pop (I like to call him G-Pop). Never thought I would see the day where I wanted the Spurs to plunger a team.
Since it looks like the Thunder will be beating My Clippers now I am now rooting for G-Pop (I like to call him G-Pop). Never thought I would see the day where I wanted the Spurs to plunger a team.
I don't think the NBA is completely rigged, but it's also not honest. If you don't think the refs try to prolong series to go 6-7 games and try to make every game as close as possible, you are an idiot.
And before APAG comes back with the "well if the Clippers would have made plays down the stretch they would have won the game" argument, I agree with that as well. It's hard to completely blame the officials when you have the game in your hands and don't execute in the end.
But at the same time, the officiating was terrible. Bennett Salvatore shouldn't be an official in any league. Tony Brothers is downright terrible. Having both of those guys on a crew for a Game 5 of a series is an absolute joke. How much of a joke - consider the following:
Game 1: Clippers shoot 30 free throws and commit 24 fouls; OKC takes 23 free throws and commit 22 fouls.
Game 2: Clippers shoot 23 free throws and commit 26 fouls; OKC takes 22 free throws and commit 21 fouls.
Game 3: Clippers shoot 25 free throws and commit 26 fouls; OKC takes 28 free throws and commit 23 fouls
Game 4: Clippers shoot 29 free throws and commit 24 fouls; OKC takes 34 free throws and commit 27 fouls
Game 5: Clippers take 20 free throws and commit 28 fouls; OKC takes 36 free throws and commit 21 fouls
So as a very savvy basketball observer, I am to believe that somehow the Clippers went from averaging 27 free throws a game to taking only 20 in a game, on the road, that if they win they take a 3-2 lead home with a game to clinch the series? You are going to have me believe that two players in Blake Griffin and Chris Paul who routinely are attacking the basket shoot 5 free throws each for the game? You are going to tell me that KD shoots 12 free throws himself and Westbrook 16? You want me to believe that DeAndre Jordan fouled out in 20 minutes on the court yet has averaged 32 minutes per game during games 1-4 and only had 5 fouls in a game in one of those games? And, you want me to believe that the effect of getting OKC to the line so often in the first quarter had nothing to do with the effect of taking the biggest deterrent to Russell Westbrook running into the lane out of control out of the picture in Jordan?
Sorry, I don't buy that.
The refs can't go out of their way to make it ridiculously obvious that they are tilting the game in one direction or another. But there are plenty of subtle ways that they can do so. The first is getting Jordan into foul trouble. Getting him out of the picture lets Westbrook have a big game. Then, when there's close calls down the stretch, they interject themselves back into the game to make sure that the right calls go in the right direction.
The Clippers got absolutely robbed in Game #5.
They also will win Game #6.
My hope is that the league has enough common sense to throw 3 quality officials at Game #7 so that the best team actually wins the series on the court.
I don't think the NBA is completely rigged, but it's also not honest. If you don't think the refs try to prolong series to go 6-7 games and try to make every game as close as possible, you are an idiot.
I don't think it is rigged either but that Reggie Jackson play got me as close to an NBA conspiracy theorist as it ever has last night. Still no excuse for my Clippers complete collapse.
And before APAG comes back with the "well if the Clippers would have made plays down the stretch they would have won the game" argument, I agree with that as well. It's hard to completely blame the officials when you have the game in your hands and don't execute in the end.
But at the same time, the officiating was terrible. Bennett Salvatore shouldn't be an official in any league. Tony Brothers is downright terrible. Having both of those guys on a crew for a Game 5 of a series is an absolute joke. How much of a joke - consider the following:
Game 1: Clippers shoot 30 free throws and commit 24 fouls; OKC takes 23 free throws and commit 22 fouls.
Game 2: Clippers shoot 23 free throws and commit 26 fouls; OKC takes 22 free throws and commit 21 fouls.
Game 3: Clippers shoot 25 free throws and commit 26 fouls; OKC takes 28 free throws and commit 23 fouls
Game 4: Clippers shoot 29 free throws and commit 24 fouls; OKC takes 34 free throws and commit 27 fouls
Game 5: Clippers take 20 free throws and commit 28 fouls; OKC takes 36 free throws and commit 21 fouls
So as a very savvy basketball observer, I am to believe that somehow the Clippers went from averaging 27 free throws a game to taking only 20 in a game, on the road, that if they win they take a 3-2 lead home with a game to clinch the series? You are going to have me believe that two players in Blake Griffin and Chris Paul who routinely are attacking the basket shoot 5 free throws each for the game? You are going to tell me that KD shoots 12 free throws himself and Westbrook 16? You want me to believe that DeAndre Jordan fouled out in 20 minutes on the court yet has averaged 32 minutes per game during games 1-4 and only had 5 fouls in a game in one of those games? And, you want me to believe that the effect of getting OKC to the line so often in the first quarter had nothing to do with the effect of taking the biggest deterrent to Russell Westbrook running into the lane out of control out of the picture in Jordan?
Sorry, I don't buy that.
The refs can't go out of their way to make it ridiculously obvious that they are tilting the game in one direction or another. But there are plenty of subtle ways that they can do so. The first is getting Jordan into foul trouble. Getting him out of the picture lets Westbrook have a big game. Then, when there's close calls down the stretch, they interject themselves back into the game to make sure that the right calls go in the right direction.
The Clippers got absolutely robbed in Game #5.
They also will win Game #6.
My hope is that the league has enough common sense to throw 3 quality officials at Game #7 so that the best team actually wins the series on the court.
You're overthinking this one. Getting Jordan out has nothing to do with Westbrook having a big game. I get what you saying because Jordan protects the rim, but look at his series stats. He's had a big game every fucking one except for game 1. The refs were terrible and inconsistent.
Sorry boobs. The refs were awful but chris Paul blew this one
I like to live a life of abundance and blame both. There is a reason why I tweeted to Paul directions to walk fucking home!
Also Bill Simmons called this shit over an hour ago.
Bill Simmons @BillSimmons 1h You can't assign these 3 guys to THIS game. You just can't. I am so disappointed.
Bill Simmons @BillSimmons 1h The lousy refs are about to ruin one team's season. Lock it down. I am assigning @Jpdabrams the Game 5 oral history right now to save time.
Bill Simmons @BillSimmons 2h Bennett Salvatore, Tom Washington and Tony Brothers reffing a genuinely important NBA playoff game - what could possibly go wrong?
Again a guy who works for an NBA studio had tweeted all this after the first quarter.
He also said Spurs-Suns 2006 game 3 was rigged immediately after. Donahue officiated that game btw.
Sorry boobs. The refs were awful but chris Paul blew this one
I like to live a life of abundance and blame both. There is a reason why I tweeted to Paul directions to walk fucking home!
Also Bill Simmons called this shit over an hour ago.
Bill Simmons @BillSimmons 1h You can't assign these 3 guys to THIS game. You just can't. I am so disappointed.
Bill Simmons @BillSimmons 1h The lousy refs are about to ruin one team's season. Lock it down. I am assigning @Jpdabrams the Game 5 oral history right now to save time.
Bill Simmons @BillSimmons 2h Bennett Salvatore, Tom Washington and Tony Brothers reffing a genuinely important NBA playoff game - what could possibly go wrong?
Again a guy who works for an NBA studio had tweeted all this after the first quarter.
He also said Spurs-Suns 2006 game 3 was rigged immediately after. Donahue officiated that game btw.
Wasn't Donaghy involved in Suns-Sonics game 7 in 93?
Westbrook had 16 free throws last night ... only in Game 1 did he have double digits (10) when the Clippers were as interested in putting him on his ass than anything else.
He had 38 on 23 shots last night - 1.65 points per shot attempt.
In the previous 4 games, he was averaging 1.52 points per shot attempt ... 1.40 points per shot attempt if you take away the Game #1 rat ball game where OKC got ran off the court.
Yes, Westbrook is having a great series (and Game 1 was arguably one of the best games he's had in this series from an efficiency standpoint). But Westbrook is a guy that throughout the season averaged 1.27 points per shot attempt. Granted that the Clippers don't have a great matchup for him defensively, but taking Jordan out of the game really hurts their ability to keep him at least out of the lane. And from a defender standpoint, you definitely defend differently when you know you have Jordan back there that can help clean up mistakes.
Westbrook had 16 free throws last night ... only in Game 1 did he have double digits (10) when the Clippers were as interested in putting him on his ass than anything else.
He had 38 on 23 shots last night - 1.65 points per shot attempt.
In the previous 4 games, he was averaging 1.52 points per shot attempt ... 1.40 points per shot attempt if you take away the Game #1 rat ball game where OKC got ran off the court.
Yes, Westbrook is having a great series (and Game 1 was arguably one of the best games he's had in this series from an efficiency standpoint). But Westbrook is a guy that throughout the season averaged 1.27 points per shot attempt. Granted that the Clippers don't have a great matchup for him defensively, but taking Jordan out of the game really hurts their ability to keep him at least out of the lane. And from a defender standpoint, you definitely defend differently when you know you have Jordan back there that can help clean up mistakes.
He's having a great series and had a great game. There were a few plays in the 4th that could have been fouls that weren't called on drives to the basket. The crowd yelled and Steve Kerr mentioned it after each one. He got those same calls in the 3rd.
I don't know what your point is about the averages. Guys sometimes do better, they sometimes do worse than their averages. Is it not possible for Westbrook to have a great game? He got to the rim a lot and when you do that, you get calls, especially when you are an All Star like Westbrook is.
Jordan is averaging 3.5 fouls per 36 minutes in the playoffs. Sometimes, guys get into foul trouble. You want to complain about the end of the game, fine, but the rest of your post is fucking stupid.
Sorry boobs. The refs were awful but chris Paul blew this one
I like to live a life of abundance and blame both. There is a reason why I tweeted to Paul directions to walk fucking home!
Also Bill Simmons called this shit over an hour ago.
Bill Simmons @BillSimmons 1h You can't assign these 3 guys to THIS game. You just can't. I am so disappointed.
Bill Simmons @BillSimmons 1h The lousy refs are about to ruin one team's season. Lock it down. I am assigning @Jpdabrams the Game 5 oral history right now to save time.
Bill Simmons @BillSimmons 2h Bennett Salvatore, Tom Washington and Tony Brothers reffing a genuinely important NBA playoff game - what could possibly go wrong?
Again a guy who works for an NBA studio had tweeted all this after the first quarter.
He also said Spurs-Suns 2006 game 3 was rigged immediately after. Donahue officiated that game btw.
You put way to much stock into what Bill Simmons says.
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Fuck that shit.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Donaghy
Born in the Philadelphia suburb Havertown, Pennsylvania, Donaghy attended Cardinal O'Hara High School in Springfield, Pennsylvania[4] along with three other NBA referees: Joe Crawford, Mike Callahan, and Ed Malloy.[10]
I love that a ref who was busted for rigging games went to the same high school as Joey Crawford who is involved in a ton of shady games yet the NBA continues to trot him out there.
2) That CP3 gif that APAG put up there is actually great. Looks like CP3's arm was straight up to me. When I first saw the play, the first thing that went through my head was "that wasn't a foul." The second thought through my head was that the refs bailed out Westbrook for taking a TERRIBLE shot.
But at the same time, the officiating was terrible. Bennett Salvatore shouldn't be an official in any league. Tony Brothers is downright terrible. Having both of those guys on a crew for a Game 5 of a series is an absolute joke. How much of a joke - consider the following:
Game 1: Clippers shoot 30 free throws and commit 24 fouls; OKC takes 23 free throws and commit 22 fouls.
Game 2: Clippers shoot 23 free throws and commit 26 fouls; OKC takes 22 free throws and commit 21 fouls.
Game 3: Clippers shoot 25 free throws and commit 26 fouls; OKC takes 28 free throws and commit 23 fouls
Game 4: Clippers shoot 29 free throws and commit 24 fouls; OKC takes 34 free throws and commit 27 fouls
Game 5: Clippers take 20 free throws and commit 28 fouls; OKC takes 36 free throws and commit 21 fouls
So as a very savvy basketball observer, I am to believe that somehow the Clippers went from averaging 27 free throws a game to taking only 20 in a game, on the road, that if they win they take a 3-2 lead home with a game to clinch the series? You are going to have me believe that two players in Blake Griffin and Chris Paul who routinely are attacking the basket shoot 5 free throws each for the game? You are going to tell me that KD shoots 12 free throws himself and Westbrook 16? You want me to believe that DeAndre Jordan fouled out in 20 minutes on the court yet has averaged 32 minutes per game during games 1-4 and only had 5 fouls in a game in one of those games? And, you want me to believe that the effect of getting OKC to the line so often in the first quarter had nothing to do with the effect of taking the biggest deterrent to Russell Westbrook running into the lane out of control out of the picture in Jordan?
Sorry, I don't buy that.
The refs can't go out of their way to make it ridiculously obvious that they are tilting the game in one direction or another. But there are plenty of subtle ways that they can do so. The first is getting Jordan into foul trouble. Getting him out of the picture lets Westbrook have a big game. Then, when there's close calls down the stretch, they interject themselves back into the game to make sure that the right calls go in the right direction.
The Clippers got absolutely robbed in Game #5.
They also will win Game #6.
My hope is that the league has enough common sense to throw 3 quality officials at Game #7 so that the best team actually wins the series on the court.
He also said Spurs-Suns 2006 game 3 was rigged immediately after. Donahue officiated that game btw.
Westbrook had 16 free throws last night ... only in Game 1 did he have double digits (10) when the Clippers were as interested in putting him on his ass than anything else.
He had 38 on 23 shots last night - 1.65 points per shot attempt.
In the previous 4 games, he was averaging 1.52 points per shot attempt ... 1.40 points per shot attempt if you take away the Game #1 rat ball game where OKC got ran off the court.
Yes, Westbrook is having a great series (and Game 1 was arguably one of the best games he's had in this series from an efficiency standpoint). But Westbrook is a guy that throughout the season averaged 1.27 points per shot attempt. Granted that the Clippers don't have a great matchup for him defensively, but taking Jordan out of the game really hurts their ability to keep him at least out of the lane. And from a defender standpoint, you definitely defend differently when you know you have Jordan back there that can help clean up mistakes.
I don't know what your point is about the averages. Guys sometimes do better, they sometimes do worse than their averages. Is it not possible for Westbrook to have a great game? He got to the rim a lot and when you do that, you get calls, especially when you are an All Star like Westbrook is.
Jordan is averaging 3.5 fouls per 36 minutes in the playoffs. Sometimes, guys get into foul trouble. You want to complain about the end of the game, fine, but the rest of your post is fucking stupid.