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Poker Guysm - Greatest Fold of All-Tim ?

pawzpawz Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 13,675
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14 players left in this year's WSOP Main Event - $10M up top.

AQ finds a CORRECT fold on a KQ2Q2 board. Just 6 hand combinations beat him (3 of KK, and 3 of KQ), but still ....


https://www.pokernews.com/news/2022/07/wsop-main-event-great-fold-41660.htm


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  • YellowSnowYellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 28,020
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    Why do the Poker guysm look so weird these days?
    Cougzz
  • chuckchuck Member Posts: 7,480
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    Good fold. Not sure I would've read pocket kings there but I didn't see the pre flop betting. I probably would've lost with the queens.

    I won a small tournament once with a very similar board except I had pocket 2s and was pretty damn sure that four 2s was good. That was good for a little over $200 off a $20 buy in and $10 rebuy, the largest amount I've ever profited in a poker game.
  • pawzpawz Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 13,675
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    chuck said:

    Good fold. Not sure I would've read pocket kings there but I didn't see the pre flop betting. I probably would've lost with the queens.

    I won a small tournament once with a very similar board except I had pocket 2s and was pretty damn sure that four 2s was good. That was good for a little over $200 off a $20 buy in and $10 rebuy, the largest amount I've ever profited in a poker game.

    It was just Raise-Call preflop. No 3 or 4-betting.

    He must have had SOME sort of read - in terms of physical/live tells - to find a fold. And w $2.1M in cashes coming into the ME, I'm guessing he's worked on that skill set.



  • pawzpawz Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 13,675
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    Why do the Poker guysm look so weird these days?

    What do you expect them to look like?

  • pawzpawz Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 13,675
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    pawz said:

    Why do the Poker guysm look so weird these days?

    What do you expect them to look like?


    Yore white supremacy has no place in teh pokerz communities.

    Sincerely, @TheKobeStopper

    YellowSnowchuckSwaye
  • 1to392831weretaken1to392831weretaken Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 5,880
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    I thought the greatest fold of all Tim was the Ducks blowing a 31 point halftime lead to the Fightin' Tequillas.

    Right up until Warshington folded even harder in losing to Montana.
    SwayeTequilla
  • CFetters_Nacho_LoverCFetters_Nacho_Lover Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 20,327
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    pawz said:

    Why do the Poker guysm look so weird these days?

    What do you expect them to look like?


    YellowSnow
  • pawzpawz Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 13,675
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    pawz said:

    Why do the Poker guysm look so weird these days?

    What do you expect them to look like?


    Pei de man heez money.

  • CFetters_Nacho_LoverCFetters_Nacho_Lover Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 20,327
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    I’ve played in 1 actual poker tournament in my life in Vegas on the day I was flying back to Seattle. 60 people and I made the final table of 10. Mrs Nacho comes over and whispers to me we have 30 minutes to leave for the airport and I should make a call on whether we stay an extra night.

    I start getting aggressive and win a good size hand so I tried to keep it up and was knocked right the fuck outta the tournament.

    At least we made our flight on time.
    Swaye1to392831weretakenDerekJohnson
  • TequillaTequilla Member Posts: 19,082
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    pawz said:

    14 players left in this year's WSOP Main Event - $10M up top.

    AQ finds a CORRECT fold on a KQ2Q2 board. Just 6 hand combinations beat him (3 of KK, and 3 of KQ), but still ....


    https://www.pokernews.com/news/2022/07/wsop-main-event-great-fold-41660.htm


    What’s the golden fucking rule? Leave yourself an out

    Assuming the video was straight forward on it … the snap all-in probably gives enough of a reason to exercise caution

    The KK is obviously the concern but losing to KQ also enters into the play despite all the blockers to it … I wouldn’t even consider pocket ducks

    It’s obviously a bit polarized but the snap call and snap all in after hitting trips just smells way too fishy
    chuck
  • pawzpawz Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 13,675
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    edited July 27
    Tequilla said:

    pawz said:

    14 players left in this year's WSOP Main Event - $10M up top.

    AQ finds a CORRECT fold on a KQ2Q2 board. Just 6 hand combinations beat him (3 of KK, and 3 of KQ), but still ....


    https://www.pokernews.com/news/2022/07/wsop-main-event-great-fold-41660.htm


    What’s the golden fucking rule? Leave yourself an out

    Assuming the video was straight forward on it … the snap all-in probably gives enough of a reason to exercise caution

    The KK is obviously the concern but losing to KQ also enters into the play despite all the blockers to it … I wouldn’t even consider pocket ducks

    It’s obviously a bit polarized but the snap call and snap all in after hitting trips just smells way too fishy
    Let's say the KK player has a naked Q instead. How is his line any different on the turn and river? Are we? expecting him to check-back the river?

  • TequillaTequilla Member Posts: 19,082
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    pawz said:

    Tequilla said:

    pawz said:

    14 players left in this year's WSOP Main Event - $10M up top.

    AQ finds a CORRECT fold on a KQ2Q2 board. Just 6 hand combinations beat him (3 of KK, and 3 of KQ), but still ....


    https://www.pokernews.com/news/2022/07/wsop-main-event-great-fold-41660.htm


    What’s the golden fucking rule? Leave yourself an out

    Assuming the video was straight forward on it … the snap all-in probably gives enough of a reason to exercise caution

    The KK is obviously the concern but losing to KQ also enters into the play despite all the blockers to it … I wouldn’t even consider pocket ducks

    It’s obviously a bit polarized but the snap call and snap all in after hitting trips just smells way too fishy
    Let's say the KK player has a naked Q instead. How is his line any different on the turn and river? Are we? expecting him to check-back the river?

    IMO yes it’s a different line but you and I play probably a little different in those spots

    Let’s say I’m pushing with the naked Q I’m getting 3 outcomes

    1) Opponent folds Kx or whatever bluff they were running … you’re winning a showdown there anyway with a call and those hands are never calling away their stacks

    2) You’re running into KK, 22, or KQ and you’re getting snap called and heading to the payout window … if you call your stack away and run into the ultimate cooler then so what

    3) The interesting scenario here with the over the top with a chopped Q hand is that if that’s your read then you’re calling off to chop

    My big consideration at that point is do I have enough chips behind with a fold to rebuild and move forward … if I do I tip my cap if you pushed me off my hand. Just don’t see the risk/reward in my favor to call it off there
  • YellowSnowYellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 28,020
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    Tequilla said:

    pawz said:

    Tequilla said:

    pawz said:

    14 players left in this year's WSOP Main Event - $10M up top.

    AQ finds a CORRECT fold on a KQ2Q2 board. Just 6 hand combinations beat him (3 of KK, and 3 of KQ), but still ....


    https://www.pokernews.com/news/2022/07/wsop-main-event-great-fold-41660.htm


    What’s the golden fucking rule? Leave yourself an out

    Assuming the video was straight forward on it … the snap all-in probably gives enough of a reason to exercise caution

    The KK is obviously the concern but losing to KQ also enters into the play despite all the blockers to it … I wouldn’t even consider pocket ducks

    It’s obviously a bit polarized but the snap call and snap all in after hitting trips just smells way too fishy
    Let's say the KK player has a naked Q instead. How is his line any different on the turn and river? Are we? expecting him to check-back the river?

    IMO yes it’s a different line but you and I play probably a little different in those spots

    Let’s say I’m pushing with the naked Q I’m getting 3 outcomes

    1) Opponent folds Kx or whatever bluff they were running … you’re winning a showdown there anyway with a call and those hands are never calling away their stacks

    2) You’re running into KK, 22, or KQ and you’re getting snap called and heading to the payout window … if you call your stack away and run into the ultimate cooler then so what

    3) The interesting scenario here with the over the top with a chopped Q hand is that if that’s your read then you’re calling off to chop

    My big consideration at that point is do I have enough chips behind with a fold to rebuild and move forward … if I do I tip my cap if you pushed me off my hand. Just don’t see the risk/reward in my favor to call it off there
    I don’t understand what is happening.
    chuckCFetters_Nacho_Lover
  • chuckchuck Member Posts: 7,480
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    Tequilla said:

    pawz said:

    Tequilla said:

    pawz said:

    14 players left in this year's WSOP Main Event - $10M up top.

    AQ finds a CORRECT fold on a KQ2Q2 board. Just 6 hand combinations beat him (3 of KK, and 3 of KQ), but still ....


    https://www.pokernews.com/news/2022/07/wsop-main-event-great-fold-41660.htm


    What’s the golden fucking rule? Leave yourself an out

    Assuming the video was straight forward on it … the snap all-in probably gives enough of a reason to exercise caution

    The KK is obviously the concern but losing to KQ also enters into the play despite all the blockers to it … I wouldn’t even consider pocket ducks

    It’s obviously a bit polarized but the snap call and snap all in after hitting trips just smells way too fishy
    Let's say the KK player has a naked Q instead. How is his line any different on the turn and river? Are we? expecting him to check-back the river?

    IMO yes it’s a different line but you and I play probably a little different in those spots

    Let’s say I’m pushing with the naked Q I’m getting 3 outcomes

    1) Opponent folds Kx or whatever bluff they were running … you’re winning a showdown there anyway with a call and those hands are never calling away their stacks

    2) You’re running into KK, 22, or KQ and you’re getting snap called and heading to the payout window … if you call your stack away and run into the ultimate cooler then so what

    3) The interesting scenario here with the over the top with a chopped Q hand is that if that’s your read then you’re calling off to chop

    My big consideration at that point is do I have enough chips behind with a fold to rebuild and move forward … if I do I tip my cap if you pushed me off my hand. Just don’t see the risk/reward in my favor to call it off there
    I don’t understand what is happening.
    You have to watch it. Just reading what these guys posted, without watching the hand, makes it hard to visualize what they're talking about. Maybe not to a regular player, but to most of us.
    RoadDawg55
  • pawzpawz Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 13,675
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    Tequilla said:

    pawz said:

    Tequilla said:

    pawz said:

    14 players left in this year's WSOP Main Event - $10M up top.

    AQ finds a CORRECT fold on a KQ2Q2 board. Just 6 hand combinations beat him (3 of KK, and 3 of KQ), but still ....


    https://www.pokernews.com/news/2022/07/wsop-main-event-great-fold-41660.htm


    What’s the golden fucking rule? Leave yourself an out

    Assuming the video was straight forward on it … the snap all-in probably gives enough of a reason to exercise caution

    The KK is obviously the concern but losing to KQ also enters into the play despite all the blockers to it … I wouldn’t even consider pocket ducks

    It’s obviously a bit polarized but the snap call and snap all in after hitting trips just smells way too fishy
    Let's say the KK player has a naked Q instead. How is his line any different on the turn and river? Are we? expecting him to check-back the river?

    IMO yes it’s a different line but you and I play probably a little different in those spots

    Let’s say I’m pushing with the naked Q I’m getting 3 outcomes

    1) Opponent folds Kx or whatever bluff they were running … you’re winning a showdown there anyway with a call and those hands are never calling away their stacks

    2) You’re running into KK, 22, or KQ and you’re getting snap called and heading to the payout window … if you call your stack away and run into the ultimate cooler then so what

    3) The interesting scenario here with the over the top with a chopped Q hand is that if that’s your read then you’re calling off to chop

    My big consideration at that point is do I have enough chips behind with a fold to rebuild and move forward … if I do I tip my cap if you pushed me off my hand. Just don’t see the risk/reward in my favor to call it off there
    I don’t understand what is happening.
    We?re having a home gayme Saturday. You should come play cards.

    Tequilla
  • pawzpawz Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 13,675
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    edited August 1
    Tequilla said:

    pawz said:

    Tequilla said:

    pawz said:

    14 players left in this year's WSOP Main Event - $10M up top.

    AQ finds a CORRECT fold on a KQ2Q2 board. Just 6 hand combinations beat him (3 of KK, and 3 of KQ), but still ....


    https://www.pokernews.com/news/2022/07/wsop-main-event-great-fold-41660.htm


    What’s the golden fucking rule? Leave yourself an out

    Assuming the video was straight forward on it … the snap all-in probably gives enough of a reason to exercise caution

    The KK is obviously the concern but losing to KQ also enters into the play despite all the blockers to it … I wouldn’t even consider pocket ducks

    It’s obviously a bit polarized but the snap call and snap all in after hitting trips just smells way too fishy
    Let's say the KK player has a naked Q instead. How is his line any different on the turn and river? Are we? expecting him to check-back the river?

    IMO yes it’s a different line but you and I play probably a little different in those spots

    Let’s say I’m pushing with the naked Q I’m getting 3 outcomes

    1) Opponent folds Kx or whatever bluff they were running … you’re winning a showdown there anyway with a call and those hands are never calling away their stacks

    2) You’re running into KK, 22, or KQ and you’re getting snap called and heading to the payout window … if you call your stack away and run into the ultimate cooler then so what

    3) The interesting scenario here with the over the top with a chopped Q hand is that if that’s your read then you’re calling off to chop

    My big consideration at that point is do I have enough chips behind with a fold to rebuild and move forward … if I do I tip my cap if you pushed me off my hand. Just don’t see the risk/reward in my favor to call it off there
    The part being missed here is if you DON'T call with Qx/2x enough, you are giving up piles of equity.

    There are definitely enough AA, AJ, AT, JT combos to justify a call w a naked 2.

    This is the part equity exposure vs game theory that make it an insanely difficult fold.




    *with regards to OP, 22 is a 7th, winning hand-combo available
  • Fenderbender123Fenderbender123 Member Posts: 2,375
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    I don't know all the considerations. But if it's my hand, I'm telling myself that I have a full house with queens and twos, but with the king out there and two queens, there are solid possibilities that somebody has a better full house, or even a push. With that said, i probably wouldn't have folded.
    pawz
  • TequillaTequilla Member Posts: 19,082
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    pawz said:


    Tequilla said:

    pawz said:

    Tequilla said:

    pawz said:

    14 players left in this year's WSOP Main Event - $10M up top.

    AQ finds a CORRECT fold on a KQ2Q2 board. Just 6 hand combinations beat him (3 of KK, and 3 of KQ), but still ....


    https://www.pokernews.com/news/2022/07/wsop-main-event-great-fold-41660.htm


    What’s the golden fucking rule? Leave yourself an out

    Assuming the video was straight forward on it … the snap all-in probably gives enough of a reason to exercise caution

    The KK is obviously the concern but losing to KQ also enters into the play despite all the blockers to it … I wouldn’t even consider pocket ducks

    It’s obviously a bit polarized but the snap call and snap all in after hitting trips just smells way too fishy
    Let's say the KK player has a naked Q instead. How is his line any different on the turn and river? Are we? expecting him to check-back the river?

    IMO yes it’s a different line but you and I play probably a little different in those spots

    Let’s say I’m pushing with the naked Q I’m getting 3 outcomes

    1) Opponent folds Kx or whatever bluff they were running … you’re winning a showdown there anyway with a call and those hands are never calling away their stacks

    2) You’re running into KK, 22, or KQ and you’re getting snap called and heading to the payout window … if you call your stack away and run into the ultimate cooler then so what

    3) The interesting scenario here with the over the top with a chopped Q hand is that if that’s your read then you’re calling off to chop

    My big consideration at that point is do I have enough chips behind with a fold to rebuild and move forward … if I do I tip my cap if you pushed me off my hand. Just don’t see the risk/reward in my favor to call it off there
    I don’t understand what is happening.
    We?re having a home gayme Saturday. You should come play cards.

    I take it as a complement that you don’t want me near that game
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