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creepycoug

WestlinnDuck said:

Doubtful. No change with me since Roe was decided. Roe was a Constitution monstrosity. Now it's not. Abortion was legal in 20 states before Roe.

creepycoug said:

WestlinnDuck said:

We will disagree. You and I have a different view on "life". I have no problem with the morning after pill and you would be in the small minority of Americans that would view that as taking a life. I'll go along with the 3 or 4 month rule.

creepycoug said:

MikeDamone said:

creepycoug said:

Southerndawg said:

creepycoug said:

Bob_C said:

We lost our democracy today when an unelected court suggested they don’t have the power to legislate and that elected officials should determine the law. Sad day really.

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.”

HTH

I think @Bob_C was being SarKastic.

I still cannot understand how people applaud handing this over to the states, which will leave us? with a patch-work of laws that will run the spectrum.

There's a reason that no state, not even Mississippi, can legalize slavery. Same applies here.

But, but, but social strife is irrelevant.

Sounds like you'd be in favor of a legislative federal ban on abortion. Get rid of the filibuster, flip congress red and it can happen.

I'm pure. You know that. Sure, I'd be in favor, but I don't think I need it. The preamble makes it clear, and if there is a notion that the Constitution, as currently drafted, allows for the taking of innocent life if in the infinite wisdom of the state legislature it is decided so, then the Constitution is a useless piece of shit for a document.

The SCOTUS should have decided that abortion, under any circumstances, is unconstitutional on its face.

I don't expect the Ducks to understand. You do. Sleddy does. Roadtrip does. I think my hermano Doog_bot gets it. Why are my other DWAGs struggling so mightily?

That's a moral dilemma. Let me know if you are ever open to discussing it further. I think in time you'll come to see the error of your view here. I did. Time and perspective led me to the right answer.

Agreed. If the court can read abortion as a guaranteed right under the mythical substantive due process analysis, then why can't it read life as a guaranteed right using the same analysis? At least with the pro life argument, you have the unambiguous reference to "life" as an inalienable right in the preamble, even if the latter is neither a source of power nor a limitation on government ... it's a helluva indication of the drafters' intent.

creepycoug

SFGbob said:

When you unleashed your paranoid rant about the how the "Christian Right might do something" the example you gave of what you feared they might do was the banning of abortion in a particular state.

Now unless your position has completely changed in the last 18 months, you're dishonestly arguing a position you don't really believe in.

You've unleashed more rants, paranoid and otherwise, than there are grains of sands on all the world's beaches, and I don't hold it against you.

Maybe as a Duck it takes you longer to move off of your block and evolve your thinking. As for me, I don't suffer from that shortcoming. I've changed my mind. I've said so several times in the last few weeks as this discussion was unleashed again on the boards.

I have the right view here, and it needn't be, and isn't, necessarily based on Christian morality. The Earth freaks can come to the same conclusion. The Catholics just happen to be right on this one, and they were first out of the gates: the biological beginning is the biological beginning. You, on the other hand, condone a moral compromise that places you squarely with the rest of the baby killers. Apparently you are comfortable with your stance. Good for you.

SFGbob

Nothing wrong with rants. It's the paranoid ones about how the Christian Right might do something, that I'm mocking.

But please continue with your rhetorical masterbation session.

creepycoug

SFGbob said:

Nothing wrong with rants. It's the paranoid ones about how the Christian Right might do something, that I'm mocking.

But please continue with your rhetorical masterbation session.

Not your best work. Nothing rhetorical about it, as evidenced by the fact that you won't touch the substance of the debate and would rather continue entertaining yourself with your "might do something" line of humor.

Rather thank laughing at your own jokes, you should spend your energy finding your moral compass. You've got some work to do.

pawz

PM to Creep

I missed the qualifier 'innocent' in the preamble.

Therefore,

The end of capital punishment.

The end of any/all war.


Moreover, that you have no regard for the life of the birthing person runs a foul your seeming altruistic position for life. Would really like to know how you make that round circle square. TIA.

Quite the quandary you've found for yourself.













"Unfortunate necessity" was always the correct answer

Goduckies

MikeDamone said:

creepycoug said:

Southerndawg said:

creepycoug said:

Bob_C said:

We lost our democracy today when an unelected court suggested they don’t have the power to legislate and that elected officials should determine the law. Sad day really.

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.”

HTH

I think @Bob_C was being SarKastic.

I still cannot understand how people applaud handing this over to the states, which will leave us? with a patch-work of laws that will run the spectrum.

There's a reason that no state, not even Mississippi, can legalize slavery. Same applies here.

But, but, but social strife is irrelevant.

Sounds like you'd be in favor of a legislative federal ban on abortion. Get rid of the filibuster, flip congress red and it can happen.

I'd be 100% in favor of a federal ban after 10 weeks myself!

CuntWaffle

MikeDamone

creepycoug said:

SFGbob said:

When you unleashed your paranoid rant about the how the "Christian Right might do something" the example you gave of what you feared they might do was the banning of abortion in a particular state.

Now unless your position has completely changed in the last 18 months, you're dishonestly arguing a position you don't really believe in.

You've unleashed more rants, paranoid and otherwise, than there are grains of sands on all the world's beaches, and I don't hold it against you.

Maybe as a Duck it takes you longer to move off of your block and evolve your thinking. As for me, I don't suffer from that shortcoming. I've changed my mind. I've said so several times in the last few weeks as this discussion was unleashed again on the boards.

I have the right view here, and it needn't be, and isn't, necessarily based on Christian morality. The Earth freaks can come to the same conclusion. The Catholics just happen to be right on this one, and they were first out of the gates: the biological beginning is the biological beginning. You, on the other hand, condone a moral compromise that places you squarely with the rest of the baby killers. Apparently you are comfortable with your stance. Good for you.

There is an atheist classical liberal view that is anti abortion.

It's not religious.

Pitchfork51

Should be my right to choose imo

MikeDamone

Pitchfork51 said:

Should be my right to choose imo

To chose what?