Vladimir The Great
Doc appears to be made in 2008, but the Putin strategy hasn't and isn't going to change.
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Problem is, many of his former satellite countries are now in NATO.
And after the Ukraine clusterfuck, those that aren't really, really want to become members.
Putin's charades are going to hurt Russia far more than it will help it. Now all of Europe wants to get off Russian gas even faster than they previously did, and when that happens, Russia is fucked. -
Disagree. The EU is a cluster economically. They won't do shit. Militarily or economically. Their actions will be "strongly condemned" and Obama will tell him to get out of the satellites in "the strongest language possibly" but no one is going to do a fucking thing.PostGameOrangeSlices said:Problem is, many of his former satellite countries are now in NATO.
And after the Ukraine clusterfuck, those that aren't really, really want to become members.
Putin's charades are going to hurt Russia far more than it will help it. Now all of Europe wants to get off Russian gas even faster than they previously did, and when that happens, Russia is fucked. -
I had hoped this thread was going to be about one of my favorite players, former Expo Vladimir Guerrero.
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I was hoping it was going to be about Vlad the ImpalerDerekJohnson said:I had hoped this thread was going to be about one of my favorite players, former Expo Vladimir Guerrero.
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You rang?
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So then, Putin should move faster on Ukraine?PostGameOrangeSlices said:Problem is, many of his former satellite countries are now in NATO.
And after the Ukraine clusterfuck, those that aren't really, really want to become members.
Putin's charades are going to hurt Russia far more than it will help it. Now all of Europe wants to get off Russian gas even faster than they previously did, and when that happens, Russia is fucked.
30-40% of Europe's electricity comes from Gazprom...would take decades to get off this much Russian power. Putin still has plenty of time to take back his satellites. Ukraine and the satellites should have developed WMDs. Maybe the U.S. can sneak some over and sell them some soon. -
I'm notpriapism said:
So then, Putin should move faster on Ukraine?PostGameOrangeSlices said:Problem is, many of his former satellite countries are now in NATO.
And after the Ukraine clusterfuck, those that aren't really, really want to become members.
Putin's charades are going to hurt Russia far more than it will help it. Now all of Europe wants to get off Russian gas even faster than they previously did, and when that happens, Russia is fucked.
Uhhh, what?MikeDamone said:
Disagree. The EU is a cluster economically. They won't do shit. Militarily or economically. Their actions will be "strongly condemned" and Obama will tell him to get out of the satellites in "the strongest language possibly" but no one is going to do a fucking thing.PostGameOrangeSlices said:Problem is, many of his former satellite countries are now in NATO.
And after the Ukraine clusterfuck, those that aren't really, really want to become members.
Putin's charades are going to hurt Russia far more than it will help it. Now all of Europe wants to get off Russian gas even faster than they previously did, and when that happens, Russia is fucked.
Russia isn't going any further. Most of the satellites worth a shit are in NATO.
If Russia does move against NATO, Europe is more than capable of kicking Russia's ass.
Europe does rely heavily on Russian gas, but Norway and Scandinavia are making plans to build new pipelines. None of Europe likes using Russian gas, they are trying to come up with any alternatives they can to Gazprom fuel. -
Napoleon and Hitler both believed that too.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
I'm notpriapism said:
So then, Putin should move faster on Ukraine?PostGameOrangeSlices said:Problem is, many of his former satellite countries are now in NATO.
And after the Ukraine clusterfuck, those that aren't really, really want to become members.
Putin's charades are going to hurt Russia far more than it will help it. Now all of Europe wants to get off Russian gas even faster than they previously did, and when that happens, Russia is fucked.
Uhhh, what?MikeDamone said:
Disagree. The EU is a cluster economically. They won't do shit. Militarily or economically. Their actions will be "strongly condemned" and Obama will tell him to get out of the satellites in "the strongest language possibly" but no one is going to do a fucking thing.PostGameOrangeSlices said:Problem is, many of his former satellite countries are now in NATO.
And after the Ukraine clusterfuck, those that aren't really, really want to become members.
Putin's charades are going to hurt Russia far more than it will help it. Now all of Europe wants to get off Russian gas even faster than they previously did, and when that happens, Russia is fucked.
Russia isn't going any further. Most of the satellites worth a shit are in NATO.
If Russia does move against NATO, Europe is more than capable of kicking Russia's ass.
Europe does rely heavily on Russian gas, but Norway and Scandinavia are making plans to build new pipelines. None of Europe likes using Russian gas, they are trying to come up with any alternatives they can to Gazprom fuel.
Putin knows nobody will move to check him.
Ukraine was CarterFS for giving up their nukes ...
The world was too giddy from the love fest after the fall of the Soviet Union to realize history would repeat itself.
America encircled Russia by pulling countries into NATO Bush Sr. promised would not be recruited.
Bush Jr did nothing when tanks rolled into Georgia.
Obama does nothing now with Ukraine.
... Hitler rose to power on the backs of a broken nation looking for a hero. Putin is doing the same.
Europe will do nothing ... America will do nothing.
Leaders of the free world are like a bunch of Cuckolds watching Russia fuck their wives. -
topdawgnc said:
Napoleon and Hitler both believed that too.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
I'm notpriapism said:
So then, Putin should move faster on Ukraine?PostGameOrangeSlices said:Problem is, many of his former satellite countries are now in NATO.
And after the Ukraine clusterfuck, those that aren't really, really want to become members.
Putin's charades are going to hurt Russia far more than it will help it. Now all of Europe wants to get off Russian gas even faster than they previously did, and when that happens, Russia is fucked.
Uhhh, what?MikeDamone said:
Disagree. The EU is a cluster economically. They won't do shit. Militarily or economically. Their actions will be "strongly condemned" and Obama will tell him to get out of the satellites in "the strongest language possibly" but no one is going to do a fucking thing.PostGameOrangeSlices said:Problem is, many of his former satellite countries are now in NATO.
And after the Ukraine clusterfuck, those that aren't really, really want to become members.
Putin's charades are going to hurt Russia far more than it will help it. Now all of Europe wants to get off Russian gas even faster than they previously did, and when that happens, Russia is fucked.
Russia isn't going any further. Most of the satellites worth a shit are in NATO.
If Russia does move against NATO, Europe is more than capable of kicking Russia's ass.
Europe does rely heavily on Russian gas, but Norway and Scandinavia are making plans to build new pipelines. None of Europe likes using Russian gas, they are trying to come up with any alternatives they can to Gazprom fuel.
Putin knows nobody will move to check him.
Ukraine was CarterFS for giving up their nukes ...
The world was too giddy from the love fest after the fall of the Soviet Union to realize history would repeat itself.
America encircled Russia by pulling countries into NATO Bush Sr. promised would not be recruited.
Bush Jr did nothing when tanks rolled into Georgia.
Obama does nothing now with Ukraine.
... Hitler rose to power on the backs of a broken nation looking for a hero. Putin is doing the same.
Europe will do nothing ... America will do nothing.
Leaders of the free world are like a bunch of Cuckolds watching Russia fuck their wives.
You are fucking stupid.
No one gives a fuck about Georgia, and no one really gives a fuck about the Crimea annexation, or Ukraine.
Russia attacking a NATO country is a completely different story. Every NATO member is obligated to declare war on Russia, and they will. No one likes Russia, and Russia doesn't have that strong of a military. France, England, and the US would fuck Russia up.
Christ people on this forum are fucking ignorant
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No way does the USA go to war with Russia over places like Ukraine, Latvia, Lithuania, etc. Obama will draw a red line in the sand, and then nothing. The American people and Obama do not have the stomach for anything close to another war.PostGameOrangeSlices said:topdawgnc said:
Napoleon and Hitler both believed that too.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
I'm notpriapism said:
So then, Putin should move faster on Ukraine?PostGameOrangeSlices said:Problem is, many of his former satellite countries are now in NATO.
And after the Ukraine clusterfuck, those that aren't really, really want to become members.
Putin's charades are going to hurt Russia far more than it will help it. Now all of Europe wants to get off Russian gas even faster than they previously did, and when that happens, Russia is fucked.
Uhhh, what?MikeDamone said:
Disagree. The EU is a cluster economically. They won't do shit. Militarily or economically. Their actions will be "strongly condemned" and Obama will tell him to get out of the satellites in "the strongest language possibly" but no one is going to do a fucking thing.PostGameOrangeSlices said:Problem is, many of his former satellite countries are now in NATO.
And after the Ukraine clusterfuck, those that aren't really, really want to become members.
Putin's charades are going to hurt Russia far more than it will help it. Now all of Europe wants to get off Russian gas even faster than they previously did, and when that happens, Russia is fucked.
Russia isn't going any further. Most of the satellites worth a shit are in NATO.
If Russia does move against NATO, Europe is more than capable of kicking Russia's ass.
Europe does rely heavily on Russian gas, but Norway and Scandinavia are making plans to build new pipelines. None of Europe likes using Russian gas, they are trying to come up with any alternatives they can to Gazprom fuel.
Putin knows nobody will move to check him.
Ukraine was CarterFS for giving up their nukes ...
The world was too giddy from the love fest after the fall of the Soviet Union to realize history would repeat itself.
America encircled Russia by pulling countries into NATO Bush Sr. promised would not be recruited.
Bush Jr did nothing when tanks rolled into Georgia.
Obama does nothing now with Ukraine.
... Hitler rose to power on the backs of a broken nation looking for a hero. Putin is doing the same.
Europe will do nothing ... America will do nothing.
Leaders of the free world are like a bunch of Cuckolds watching Russia fuck their wives.
You are fucking stupid.
No one gives a fuck about Georgia, and no one really gives a fuck about the Crimea annexation, or Ukraine.
Russia attacking a NATO country is a completely different story. Every NATO member is obligated to declare war on Russia, and they will. No one likes Russia, and Russia doesn't have that strong of a military. France, England, and the US would fuck Russia up.
Christ people on this forum are fucking ignorant -
Toppy,topdawgnc said:
Napoleon and Hitler both believed that too.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
I'm notpriapism said:
So then, Putin should move faster on Ukraine?PostGameOrangeSlices said:Problem is, many of his former satellite countries are now in NATO.
And after the Ukraine clusterfuck, those that aren't really, really want to become members.
Putin's charades are going to hurt Russia far more than it will help it. Now all of Europe wants to get off Russian gas even faster than they previously did, and when that happens, Russia is fucked.
Uhhh, what?MikeDamone said:
Disagree. The EU is a cluster economically. They won't do shit. Militarily or economically. Their actions will be "strongly condemned" and Obama will tell him to get out of the satellites in "the strongest language possibly" but no one is going to do a fucking thing.PostGameOrangeSlices said:Problem is, many of his former satellite countries are now in NATO.
And after the Ukraine clusterfuck, those that aren't really, really want to become members.
Putin's charades are going to hurt Russia far more than it will help it. Now all of Europe wants to get off Russian gas even faster than they previously did, and when that happens, Russia is fucked.
Russia isn't going any further. Most of the satellites worth a shit are in NATO.
If Russia does move against NATO, Europe is more than capable of kicking Russia's ass.
Europe does rely heavily on Russian gas, but Norway and Scandinavia are making plans to build new pipelines. None of Europe likes using Russian gas, they are trying to come up with any alternatives they can to Gazprom fuel.
In general I agree with most of your post.
HOWEVER, I think that there's a MASSIVE difference between the Russia that Napoleon and Hitler tried to invade BY LAND and today's modern technology that will make the challenges that both Napoleon and Hitler faced (notably harsh winters, trying to overtake Russia by land, and the vast number of Russia people).
Ultimately the biggest military advantages that Russia have had have been the weather, the number of people, and their nuclear ability. At least 2 of those 3 are more or less neutralized now.
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Yeah, but still.
The Ukraine (I'm old school like that and I like to call it THE Ukraine, you know, like THE Ohio State University) is pretty much fucked. Best outcome for the literate Ukrainians in the west is to get their chunk of the country incorporated into EU institutions and NATO eventually. Eastern half becomes some post-Soviet piece of shit like Belarus, probably.
Here's to the new Cold War, same as the old Cold War. The way I see it, this is actually a really good thing in many respects. It gives us military types something to do, and we can have fun setting up new bases in Poland, Romania and the Baltics. New Russia sucks more than old USSR.topdawgnc said:
Napoleon and Hitler both believed that too.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
I'm notpriapism said:
So then, Putin should move faster on Ukraine?PostGameOrangeSlices said:Problem is, many of his former satellite countries are now in NATO.
And after the Ukraine clusterfuck, those that aren't really, really want to become members.
Putin's charades are going to hurt Russia far more than it will help it. Now all of Europe wants to get off Russian gas even faster than they previously did, and when that happens, Russia is fucked.
Uhhh, what?MikeDamone said:
Disagree. The EU is a cluster economically. They won't do shit. Militarily or economically. Their actions will be "strongly condemned" and Obama will tell him to get out of the satellites in "the strongest language possibly" but no one is going to do a fucking thing.PostGameOrangeSlices said:Problem is, many of his former satellite countries are now in NATO.
And after the Ukraine clusterfuck, those that aren't really, really want to become members.
Putin's charades are going to hurt Russia far more than it will help it. Now all of Europe wants to get off Russian gas even faster than they previously did, and when that happens, Russia is fucked.
Russia isn't going any further. Most of the satellites worth a shit are in NATO.
If Russia does move against NATO, Europe is more than capable of kicking Russia's ass.
Europe does rely heavily on Russian gas, but Norway and Scandinavia are making plans to build new pipelines. None of Europe likes using Russian gas, they are trying to come up with any alternatives they can to Gazprom fuel.
Putin knows nobody will move to check him.
Ukraine was CarterFS for giving up their nukes ...
The world was too giddy from the love fest after the fall of the Soviet Union to realize history would repeat itself.
America encircled Russia by pulling countries into NATO Bush Sr. promised would not be recruited.
Bush Jr did nothing when tanks rolled into Georgia.
Obama does nothing now with Ukraine.
... Hitler rose to power on the backs of a broken nation looking for a hero. Putin is doing the same.
Europe will do nothing ... America will do nothing.
Leaders of the free world are like a bunch of Cuckolds watching Russia fuck their wives. -
I agree.Tequilla said:
Toppy,topdawgnc said:
Napoleon and Hitler both believed that too.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
I'm notpriapism said:
So then, Putin should move faster on Ukraine?PostGameOrangeSlices said:Problem is, many of his former satellite countries are now in NATO.
And after the Ukraine clusterfuck, those that aren't really, really want to become members.
Putin's charades are going to hurt Russia far more than it will help it. Now all of Europe wants to get off Russian gas even faster than they previously did, and when that happens, Russia is fucked.
Uhhh, what?MikeDamone said:
Disagree. The EU is a cluster economically. They won't do shit. Militarily or economically. Their actions will be "strongly condemned" and Obama will tell him to get out of the satellites in "the strongest language possibly" but no one is going to do a fucking thing.PostGameOrangeSlices said:Problem is, many of his former satellite countries are now in NATO.
And after the Ukraine clusterfuck, those that aren't really, really want to become members.
Putin's charades are going to hurt Russia far more than it will help it. Now all of Europe wants to get off Russian gas even faster than they previously did, and when that happens, Russia is fucked.
Russia isn't going any further. Most of the satellites worth a shit are in NATO.
If Russia does move against NATO, Europe is more than capable of kicking Russia's ass.
Europe does rely heavily on Russian gas, but Norway and Scandinavia are making plans to build new pipelines. None of Europe likes using Russian gas, they are trying to come up with any alternatives they can to Gazprom fuel.
In general I agree with most of your post.
HOWEVER, I think that there's a MASSIVE difference between the Russia that Napoleon and Hitler tried to invade BY LAND and today's modern technology that will make the challenges that both Napoleon and Hitler faced (notably harsh winters, trying to overtake Russia by land, and the vast number of Russia people).
Ultimately the biggest military advantages that Russia have had have been the weather, the number of people, and their nuclear ability. At least 2 of those 3 are more or less neutralized now.
But here's the cold hard facts.
Nobody in the western world has the desire to go to war with Russia.
So to say we would "fuck Russia up" is ignorant. No way in hell does the civilized west invade Russia. And if they did it would be half assed and Russia would wipe ass with whoever tries.
Regarding the NATO nations, the former SU satellites have grown reliant on trade with Russia, not just in energy ... but the economies are very tightly intertwined. There can be influence.
Putin is not stupid, he is an opportunist. He will lay in wait until he can get what he wants, then he takes it. Knowing the west won't do shit. And if they do he backs off.
Having the west show weakness (Georgia, Ukraine, missile defense) is just the cherry on top.
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I agree with everything that you are saying on that.
There's no desire from the West to either invade or go to war. The biggest muscle that they are willing to throw out there right now is tied to economic sanctions, etc.
There's no doubt that Putin has decided that he's going to take advantage of what others are going to consider not worth fighting for and he views as low hanging fruit.
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I once saw Radmanovich hit three straight shots, sitting down on the Sonics bench. It was pretty amazing.dnc said:You rang?
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The USA WILL go to war if a NATO country like Latvia or Lithuania is attacked. Which is moot, because Russia isn't dumb enough to commit suicide.MikeDamone said:
No way does the USA go to war with Russia over places like Ukraine, Latvia, Lithuania, etc. Obama will draw a red line in the sand, and then nothing. The American people and Obama do not have the stomach for anything close to another war.PostGameOrangeSlices said:topdawgnc said:
Napoleon and Hitler both believed that too.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
I'm notpriapism said:
So then, Putin should move faster on Ukraine?PostGameOrangeSlices said:Problem is, many of his former satellite countries are now in NATO.
And after the Ukraine clusterfuck, those that aren't really, really want to become members.
Putin's charades are going to hurt Russia far more than it will help it. Now all of Europe wants to get off Russian gas even faster than they previously did, and when that happens, Russia is fucked.
Uhhh, what?MikeDamone said:
Disagree. The EU is a cluster economically. They won't do shit. Militarily or economically. Their actions will be "strongly condemned" and Obama will tell him to get out of the satellites in "the strongest language possibly" but no one is going to do a fucking thing.PostGameOrangeSlices said:Problem is, many of his former satellite countries are now in NATO.
And after the Ukraine clusterfuck, those that aren't really, really want to become members.
Putin's charades are going to hurt Russia far more than it will help it. Now all of Europe wants to get off Russian gas even faster than they previously did, and when that happens, Russia is fucked.
Russia isn't going any further. Most of the satellites worth a shit are in NATO.
If Russia does move against NATO, Europe is more than capable of kicking Russia's ass.
Europe does rely heavily on Russian gas, but Norway and Scandinavia are making plans to build new pipelines. None of Europe likes using Russian gas, they are trying to come up with any alternatives they can to Gazprom fuel.
Putin knows nobody will move to check him.
Ukraine was CarterFS for giving up their nukes ...
The world was too giddy from the love fest after the fall of the Soviet Union to realize history would repeat itself.
America encircled Russia by pulling countries into NATO Bush Sr. promised would not be recruited.
Bush Jr did nothing when tanks rolled into Georgia.
Obama does nothing now with Ukraine.
... Hitler rose to power on the backs of a broken nation looking for a hero. Putin is doing the same.
Europe will do nothing ... America will do nothing.
Leaders of the free world are like a bunch of Cuckolds watching Russia fuck their wives.
You are fucking stupid.
No one gives a fuck about Georgia, and no one really gives a fuck about the Crimea annexation, or Ukraine.
Russia attacking a NATO country is a completely different story. Every NATO member is obligated to declare war on Russia, and they will. No one likes Russia, and Russia doesn't have that strong of a military. France, England, and the US would fuck Russia up.
Christ people on this forum are fucking ignorant
Europe learned some very harsh lessons from WW2. There is no fucking way an attack on a NATO nation will be ignored. Every NATO country would be obligated to go to war, and they would. It's not like Putin would stop at Lithuania.
Poland is a country where the scars are still very vivid, and they are modernizing the fuck out of their military right now.
Russia wouldn't need to be invaded by NATO. NATO would bomb the fuck out of anything in Russia resembling a military base/nuclear facility, and that would be that.
The Russian AirForce against the World's is a fucking curbstomping waiting to happen. Russia's AF is outdated and would probably get wiped by fucking France.
Also, the Russian military is full of conscripts, and would get shit on by professional, full-time soldiers from the EU. The Russian military strategy throughout history can be summed up as this: we aren't as strong or well organized as you, but we have fucktons of poorly trained conscripts to charge at you!
Russia is a fucking joke, and it's hilarious that some American's think Putin is this Napoleon-esque badass general. Putin is a fucking washed up KGB strongman that cares about building the wealth of the Russian 0.0001%, and nothing else.
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what the flying fuck did you want the US to do? Go to war because Georgia attacked the Russia puppet state of South Ossetia?topdawgnc said:
Having the west show weakness (Georgia, Ukraine, missile defense) is just the cherry on top.Tequilla said:
Toppy,topdawgnc said:
Napoleon and Hitler both believed that too.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
I'm notpriapism said:
So then, Putin should move faster on Ukraine?PostGameOrangeSlices said:Problem is, many of his former satellite countries are now in NATO.
And after the Ukraine clusterfuck, those that aren't really, really want to become members.
Putin's charades are going to hurt Russia far more than it will help it. Now all of Europe wants to get off Russian gas even faster than they previously did, and when that happens, Russia is fucked.
Uhhh, what?MikeDamone said:
Disagree. The EU is a cluster economically. They won't do shit. Militarily or economically. Their actions will be "strongly condemned" and Obama will tell him to get out of the satellites in "the strongest language possibly" but no one is going to do a fucking thing.PostGameOrangeSlices said:Problem is, many of his former satellite countries are now in NATO.
And after the Ukraine clusterfuck, those that aren't really, really want to become members.
Putin's charades are going to hurt Russia far more than it will help it. Now all of Europe wants to get off Russian gas even faster than they previously did, and when that happens, Russia is fucked.
Russia isn't going any further. Most of the satellites worth a shit are in NATO.
If Russia does move against NATO, Europe is more than capable of kicking Russia's ass.
Europe does rely heavily on Russian gas, but Norway and Scandinavia are making plans to build new pipelines. None of Europe likes using Russian gas, they are trying to come up with any alternatives they can to Gazprom fuel.
In general I agree with most of your post.
HOWEVER, I think that there's a MASSIVE difference between the Russia that Napoleon and Hitler tried to invade BY LAND and today's modern technology that will make the challenges that both Napoleon and Hitler faced (notably harsh winters, trying to overtake Russia by land, and the vast number of Russia people).
Ultimately the biggest military advantages that Russia have had have been the weather, the number of people, and their nuclear ability. At least 2 of those 3 are more or less neutralized now.
Should the US have gone to war over ethnic Russian/spetznaz stirring up trouble in Crimea?
Ukraine fucked themselves with the missile defense system. Last time I checked, Russia is surrounded by US missile systems and bases.
Jesus christ I have no hope for humanity. The problem with the US isn't Obama, it's dumbasses who think it matters who the president is. It's a systemic problem, not a one man problem.
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The whole Russian mentality has always been that quantity (ABUNDANCE) >>> quality
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And what a successful mentality that's been. From Kievan Rus getting annihilated by the Mongols to Russia's clusterfuck invasion of Finland in the Winter War, Russian military history is pretty fucking embarrassing.Tequilla said:The whole Russian mentality has always been that quantity (ABUNDANCE) >>> quality
Russia's major historical victories can be attributed to cold weather and bad timing by their enemies. Without freakishly cold weather, Russia would probably still be a part of Napoleonic France. -
el oh el, a LOT more.AZDuck said:New Russia sucks more than old USSR.
topdawgnc said:
Napoleon and Hitler both believed that too.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
I'm notpriapism said:
So then, Putin should move faster on Ukraine?PostGameOrangeSlices said:Problem is, many of his former satellite countries are now in NATO.
And after the Ukraine clusterfuck, those that aren't really, really want to become members.
Putin's charades are going to hurt Russia far more than it will help it. Now all of Europe wants to get off Russian gas even faster than they previously did, and when that happens, Russia is fucked.
Uhhh, what?MikeDamone said:
Disagree. The EU is a cluster economically. They won't do shit. Militarily or economically. Their actions will be "strongly condemned" and Obama will tell him to get out of the satellites in "the strongest language possibly" but no one is going to do a fucking thing.PostGameOrangeSlices said:Problem is, many of his former satellite countries are now in NATO.
And after the Ukraine clusterfuck, those that aren't really, really want to become members.
Putin's charades are going to hurt Russia far more than it will help it. Now all of Europe wants to get off Russian gas even faster than they previously did, and when that happens, Russia is fucked.
Russia isn't going any further. Most of the satellites worth a shit are in NATO.
If Russia does move against NATO, Europe is more than capable of kicking Russia's ass.
Europe does rely heavily on Russian gas, but Norway and Scandinavia are making plans to build new pipelines. None of Europe likes using Russian gas, they are trying to come up with any alternatives they can to Gazprom fuel.
Putin knows nobody will move to check him.
Ukraine was CarterFS for giving up their nukes ...
The world was too giddy from the love fest after the fall of the Soviet Union to realize history would repeat itself.
America encircled Russia by pulling countries into NATO Bush Sr. promised would not be recruited.
Bush Jr did nothing when tanks rolled into Georgia.
Obama does nothing now with Ukraine.
... Hitler rose to power on the backs of a broken nation looking for a hero. Putin is doing the same.
Europe will do nothing ... America will do nothing.
Leaders of the free world are like a bunch of Cuckolds watching Russia fuck their wives. -
Disagree. After the war of the last decade which you could connect to an attack on the USA and the way our citizens and EU governments have reacted...there is no fucking way we or anyone is going to spend the money and lives to defend former soviet satellites. If you think our people went nuts over Afghanistan and Iraq wait until our president says we are spending money and lives on a war like that. No way would congress authorize it or would any president initiate it.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
The USA WILL go to war if a NATO country like Latvia or Lithuania is attacked. Which is moot, because Russia isn't dumb enough to commit suicide.MikeDamone said:
No way does the USA go to war with Russia over places like Ukraine, Latvia, Lithuania, etc. Obama will draw a red line in the sand, and then nothing. The American people and Obama do not have the stomach for anything close to another war.PostGameOrangeSlices said:topdawgnc said:
Napoleon and Hitler both believed that too.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
I'm notpriapism said:
So then, Putin should move faster on Ukraine?PostGameOrangeSlices said:Problem is, many of his former satellite countries are now in NATO.
And after the Ukraine clusterfuck, those that aren't really, really want to become members.
Putin's charades are going to hurt Russia far more than it will help it. Now all of Europe wants to get off Russian gas even faster than they previously did, and when that happens, Russia is fucked.
Uhhh, what?MikeDamone said:
Disagree. The EU is a cluster economically. They won't do shit. Militarily or economically. Their actions will be "strongly condemned" and Obama will tell him to get out of the satellites in "the strongest language possibly" but no one is going to do a fucking thing.PostGameOrangeSlices said:Problem is, many of his former satellite countries are now in NATO.
And after the Ukraine clusterfuck, those that aren't really, really want to become members.
Putin's charades are going to hurt Russia far more than it will help it. Now all of Europe wants to get off Russian gas even faster than they previously did, and when that happens, Russia is fucked.
Russia isn't going any further. Most of the satellites worth a shit are in NATO.
If Russia does move against NATO, Europe is more than capable of kicking Russia's ass.
Europe does rely heavily on Russian gas, but Norway and Scandinavia are making plans to build new pipelines. None of Europe likes using Russian gas, they are trying to come up with any alternatives they can to Gazprom fuel.
Putin knows nobody will move to check him.
Ukraine was CarterFS for giving up their nukes ...
The world was too giddy from the love fest after the fall of the Soviet Union to realize history would repeat itself.
America encircled Russia by pulling countries into NATO Bush Sr. promised would not be recruited.
Bush Jr did nothing when tanks rolled into Georgia.
Obama does nothing now with Ukraine.
... Hitler rose to power on the backs of a broken nation looking for a hero. Putin is doing the same.
Europe will do nothing ... America will do nothing.
Leaders of the free world are like a bunch of Cuckolds watching Russia fuck their wives.
You are fucking stupid.
No one gives a fuck about Georgia, and no one really gives a fuck about the Crimea annexation, or Ukraine.
Russia attacking a NATO country is a completely different story. Every NATO member is obligated to declare war on Russia, and they will. No one likes Russia, and Russia doesn't have that strong of a military. France, England, and the US would fuck Russia up.
Christ people on this forum are fucking ignorant
Europe learned some very harsh lessons from WW2. There is no fucking way an attack on a NATO nation will be ignored. Every NATO country would be obligated to go to war, and they would. It's not like Putin would stop at Lithuania.
Poland is a country where the scars are still very vivid, and they are modernizing the fuck out of their military right now.
Russia wouldn't need to be invaded by NATO. NATO would bomb the fuck out of anything in Russia resembling a military base/nuclear facility, and that would be that.
The Russian AirForce against the World's is a fucking curbstomping waiting to happen. Russia's AF is outdated and would probably get wiped by fucking France.
Also, the Russian military is full of conscripts, and would get shit on by professional, full-time soldiers from the EU. The Russian military strategy throughout history can be summed up as this: we aren't as strong or well organized as you, but we have fucktons of poorly trained conscripts to charge at you!
Russia is a fucking joke, and it's hilarious that some American's think Putin is this Napoleon-esque badass general. Putin is a fucking washed up KGB strongman that cares about building the wealth of the Russian 0.0001%, and nothing else.
Red line in the sand,..condemning in the strongest language and some weak attempts at economic sanctions is all that would happen. Cook it.
We won't even do shit about WMDs in Syria. Used again last week. -
Dude, the threat of Europe getting invaded by Russia is a lot bigger deal than some shitty WMDs in Syria.MikeDamone said:
Disagree. After the war of the last decade which you could connect to an attack on the USA and the way our citizens and EU governments have reacted...there is no fucking way we or anyone is going to spend the money and lives to defend former soviet satellites. If you think our people went nuts over Afghanistan and Iraq wait until our president says we are spending money and lives on a war like that. No way would congress authorize it or would any president initiate it.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
The USA WILL go to war if a NATO country like Latvia or Lithuania is attacked. Which is moot, because Russia isn't dumb enough to commit suicide.MikeDamone said:
No way does the USA go to war with Russia over places like Ukraine, Latvia, Lithuania, etc. Obama will draw a red line in the sand, and then nothing. The American people and Obama do not have the stomach for anything close to another war.PostGameOrangeSlices said:topdawgnc said:
Napoleon and Hitler both believed that too.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
I'm notpriapism said:
So then, Putin should move faster on Ukraine?PostGameOrangeSlices said:Problem is, many of his former satellite countries are now in NATO.
And after the Ukraine clusterfuck, those that aren't really, really want to become members.
Putin's charades are going to hurt Russia far more than it will help it. Now all of Europe wants to get off Russian gas even faster than they previously did, and when that happens, Russia is fucked.
Uhhh, what?MikeDamone said:
Disagree. The EU is a cluster economically. They won't do shit. Militarily or economically. Their actions will be "strongly condemned" and Obama will tell him to get out of the satellites in "the strongest language possibly" but no one is going to do a fucking thing.PostGameOrangeSlices said:Problem is, many of his former satellite countries are now in NATO.
And after the Ukraine clusterfuck, those that aren't really, really want to become members.
Putin's charades are going to hurt Russia far more than it will help it. Now all of Europe wants to get off Russian gas even faster than they previously did, and when that happens, Russia is fucked.
Russia isn't going any further. Most of the satellites worth a shit are in NATO.
If Russia does move against NATO, Europe is more than capable of kicking Russia's ass.
Europe does rely heavily on Russian gas, but Norway and Scandinavia are making plans to build new pipelines. None of Europe likes using Russian gas, they are trying to come up with any alternatives they can to Gazprom fuel.
Putin knows nobody will move to check him.
Ukraine was CarterFS for giving up their nukes ...
The world was too giddy from the love fest after the fall of the Soviet Union to realize history would repeat itself.
America encircled Russia by pulling countries into NATO Bush Sr. promised would not be recruited.
Bush Jr did nothing when tanks rolled into Georgia.
Obama does nothing now with Ukraine.
... Hitler rose to power on the backs of a broken nation looking for a hero. Putin is doing the same.
Europe will do nothing ... America will do nothing.
Leaders of the free world are like a bunch of Cuckolds watching Russia fuck their wives.
You are fucking stupid.
No one gives a fuck about Georgia, and no one really gives a fuck about the Crimea annexation, or Ukraine.
Russia attacking a NATO country is a completely different story. Every NATO member is obligated to declare war on Russia, and they will. No one likes Russia, and Russia doesn't have that strong of a military. France, England, and the US would fuck Russia up.
Christ people on this forum are fucking ignorant
Europe learned some very harsh lessons from WW2. There is no fucking way an attack on a NATO nation will be ignored. Every NATO country would be obligated to go to war, and they would. It's not like Putin would stop at Lithuania.
Poland is a country where the scars are still very vivid, and they are modernizing the fuck out of their military right now.
Russia wouldn't need to be invaded by NATO. NATO would bomb the fuck out of anything in Russia resembling a military base/nuclear facility, and that would be that.
The Russian AirForce against the World's is a fucking curbstomping waiting to happen. Russia's AF is outdated and would probably get wiped by fucking France.
Also, the Russian military is full of conscripts, and would get shit on by professional, full-time soldiers from the EU. The Russian military strategy throughout history can be summed up as this: we aren't as strong or well organized as you, but we have fucktons of poorly trained conscripts to charge at you!
Russia is a fucking joke, and it's hilarious that some American's think Putin is this Napoleon-esque badass general. Putin is a fucking washed up KGB strongman that cares about building the wealth of the Russian 0.0001%, and nothing else.
Red line in the sand,..condemning in the strongest language and some weak attempts at economic sanctions is all that would happen. Cook it.
We won't even do shit about WMDs in Syria. Used again last week.
So you're saying the NATO treaty is as worthless as the paper it's printed on? I don't buy it. The US and EU will send soldiers and money to defend a NATO ally. They want those countries to remain NATO allies, they don't want the USSR to come back, and they certainly don't want Russia attacking Europe.
But like I said, all this shit is moot because Russia isn't even half as strong as it would need to be to win such a war. AZDuck was right, this current Russia is a fucking shadow of its USSR heyday.
This current situation in Ukraine is like Mike Tyson beating up a homeless man. Washed up, former world power kicking the shit out of someone no one cares about in an effort to stay relevant. -
I'm saying the US won't do shit about anything, anywhere.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Dude, the threat of Europe getting invaded by Russia is a lot bigger deal than some shitty WMDs in Syria.MikeDamone said:
Disagree. After the war of the last decade which you could connect to an attack on the USA and the way our citizens and EU governments have reacted...there is no fucking way we or anyone is going to spend the money and lives to defend former soviet satellites. If you think our people went nuts over Afghanistan and Iraq wait until our president says we are spending money and lives on a war like that. No way would congress authorize it or would any president initiate it.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
The USA WILL go to war if a NATO country like Latvia or Lithuania is attacked. Which is moot, because Russia isn't dumb enough to commit suicide.MikeDamone said:
No way does the USA go to war with Russia over places like Ukraine, Latvia, Lithuania, etc. Obama will draw a red line in the sand, and then nothing. The American people and Obama do not have the stomach for anything close to another war.PostGameOrangeSlices said:topdawgnc said:
Napoleon and Hitler both believed that too.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
I'm notpriapism said:
So then, Putin should move faster on Ukraine?PostGameOrangeSlices said:Problem is, many of his former satellite countries are now in NATO.
And after the Ukraine clusterfuck, those that aren't really, really want to become members.
Putin's charades are going to hurt Russia far more than it will help it. Now all of Europe wants to get off Russian gas even faster than they previously did, and when that happens, Russia is fucked.
Uhhh, what?MikeDamone said:
Disagree. The EU is a cluster economically. They won't do shit. Militarily or economically. Their actions will be "strongly condemned" and Obama will tell him to get out of the satellites in "the strongest language possibly" but no one is going to do a fucking thing.PostGameOrangeSlices said:Problem is, many of his former satellite countries are now in NATO.
And after the Ukraine clusterfuck, those that aren't really, really want to become members.
Putin's charades are going to hurt Russia far more than it will help it. Now all of Europe wants to get off Russian gas even faster than they previously did, and when that happens, Russia is fucked.
Russia isn't going any further. Most of the satellites worth a shit are in NATO.
If Russia does move against NATO, Europe is more than capable of kicking Russia's ass.
Europe does rely heavily on Russian gas, but Norway and Scandinavia are making plans to build new pipelines. None of Europe likes using Russian gas, they are trying to come up with any alternatives they can to Gazprom fuel.
Putin knows nobody will move to check him.
Ukraine was CarterFS for giving up their nukes ...
The world was too giddy from the love fest after the fall of the Soviet Union to realize history would repeat itself.
America encircled Russia by pulling countries into NATO Bush Sr. promised would not be recruited.
Bush Jr did nothing when tanks rolled into Georgia.
Obama does nothing now with Ukraine.
... Hitler rose to power on the backs of a broken nation looking for a hero. Putin is doing the same.
Europe will do nothing ... America will do nothing.
Leaders of the free world are like a bunch of Cuckolds watching Russia fuck their wives.
You are fucking stupid.
No one gives a fuck about Georgia, and no one really gives a fuck about the Crimea annexation, or Ukraine.
Russia attacking a NATO country is a completely different story. Every NATO member is obligated to declare war on Russia, and they will. No one likes Russia, and Russia doesn't have that strong of a military. France, England, and the US would fuck Russia up.
Christ people on this forum are fucking ignorant
Europe learned some very harsh lessons from WW2. There is no fucking way an attack on a NATO nation will be ignored. Every NATO country would be obligated to go to war, and they would. It's not like Putin would stop at Lithuania.
Poland is a country where the scars are still very vivid, and they are modernizing the fuck out of their military right now.
Russia wouldn't need to be invaded by NATO. NATO would bomb the fuck out of anything in Russia resembling a military base/nuclear facility, and that would be that.
The Russian AirForce against the World's is a fucking curbstomping waiting to happen. Russia's AF is outdated and would probably get wiped by fucking France.
Also, the Russian military is full of conscripts, and would get shit on by professional, full-time soldiers from the EU. The Russian military strategy throughout history can be summed up as this: we aren't as strong or well organized as you, but we have fucktons of poorly trained conscripts to charge at you!
Russia is a fucking joke, and it's hilarious that some American's think Putin is this Napoleon-esque badass general. Putin is a fucking washed up KGB strongman that cares about building the wealth of the Russian 0.0001%, and nothing else.
Red line in the sand,..condemning in the strongest language and some weak attempts at economic sanctions is all that would happen. Cook it.
We won't even do shit about WMDs in Syria. Used again last week.
So you're saying the NATO treaty is as worthless as the paper it's printed on? I don't buy it. The US and EU will send soldiers and money to defend a NATO ally. They want those countries to remain NATO allies, they don't want the USSR to come back, and they certainly don't want Russia attacking Europe.
But like I said, all this shit is moot because Russia isn't even half as strong as it would need to be to win such a war. AZDuck was right, this current Russia is a fucking shadow of its USSR heyday.
This current situation in Ukraine is like Mike Tyson beating up a homeless man. Washed up, former world power kicking the shit out of someone no one cares about in an effort to stay relevant. -
Disagree.....MikeDamone said:
I'm saying the US won't do shit about anything, anywhere.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Dude, the threat of Europe getting invaded by Russia is a lot bigger deal than some shitty WMDs in Syria.MikeDamone said:
Disagree. After the war of the last decade which you could connect to an attack on the USA and the way our citizens and EU governments have reacted...there is no fucking way we or anyone is going to spend the money and lives to defend former soviet satellites. If you think our people went nuts over Afghanistan and Iraq wait until our president says we are spending money and lives on a war like that. No way would congress authorize it or would any president initiate it.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
The USA WILL go to war if a NATO country like Latvia or Lithuania is attacked. Which is moot, because Russia isn't dumb enough to commit suicide.MikeDamone said:
No way does the USA go to war with Russia over places like Ukraine, Latvia, Lithuania, etc. Obama will draw a red line in the sand, and then nothing. The American people and Obama do not have the stomach for anything close to another war.PostGameOrangeSlices said:topdawgnc said:
Napoleon and Hitler both believed that too.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
I'm notpriapism said:
So then, Putin should move faster on Ukraine?PostGameOrangeSlices said:Problem is, many of his former satellite countries are now in NATO.
And after the Ukraine clusterfuck, those that aren't really, really want to become members.
Putin's charades are going to hurt Russia far more than it will help it. Now all of Europe wants to get off Russian gas even faster than they previously did, and when that happens, Russia is fucked.
Uhhh, what?MikeDamone said:
Disagree. The EU is a cluster economically. They won't do shit. Militarily or economically. Their actions will be "strongly condemned" and Obama will tell him to get out of the satellites in "the strongest language possibly" but no one is going to do a fucking thing.PostGameOrangeSlices said:Problem is, many of his former satellite countries are now in NATO.
And after the Ukraine clusterfuck, those that aren't really, really want to become members.
Putin's charades are going to hurt Russia far more than it will help it. Now all of Europe wants to get off Russian gas even faster than they previously did, and when that happens, Russia is fucked.
Russia isn't going any further. Most of the satellites worth a shit are in NATO.
If Russia does move against NATO, Europe is more than capable of kicking Russia's ass.
Europe does rely heavily on Russian gas, but Norway and Scandinavia are making plans to build new pipelines. None of Europe likes using Russian gas, they are trying to come up with any alternatives they can to Gazprom fuel.
Putin knows nobody will move to check him.
Ukraine was CarterFS for giving up their nukes ...
The world was too giddy from the love fest after the fall of the Soviet Union to realize history would repeat itself.
America encircled Russia by pulling countries into NATO Bush Sr. promised would not be recruited.
Bush Jr did nothing when tanks rolled into Georgia.
Obama does nothing now with Ukraine.
... Hitler rose to power on the backs of a broken nation looking for a hero. Putin is doing the same.
Europe will do nothing ... America will do nothing.
Leaders of the free world are like a bunch of Cuckolds watching Russia fuck their wives.
You are fucking stupid.
No one gives a fuck about Georgia, and no one really gives a fuck about the Crimea annexation, or Ukraine.
Russia attacking a NATO country is a completely different story. Every NATO member is obligated to declare war on Russia, and they will. No one likes Russia, and Russia doesn't have that strong of a military. France, England, and the US would fuck Russia up.
Christ people on this forum are fucking ignorant
Europe learned some very harsh lessons from WW2. There is no fucking way an attack on a NATO nation will be ignored. Every NATO country would be obligated to go to war, and they would. It's not like Putin would stop at Lithuania.
Poland is a country where the scars are still very vivid, and they are modernizing the fuck out of their military right now.
Russia wouldn't need to be invaded by NATO. NATO would bomb the fuck out of anything in Russia resembling a military base/nuclear facility, and that would be that.
The Russian AirForce against the World's is a fucking curbstomping waiting to happen. Russia's AF is outdated and would probably get wiped by fucking France.
Also, the Russian military is full of conscripts, and would get shit on by professional, full-time soldiers from the EU. The Russian military strategy throughout history can be summed up as this: we aren't as strong or well organized as you, but we have fucktons of poorly trained conscripts to charge at you!
Russia is a fucking joke, and it's hilarious that some American's think Putin is this Napoleon-esque badass general. Putin is a fucking washed up KGB strongman that cares about building the wealth of the Russian 0.0001%, and nothing else.
Red line in the sand,..condemning in the strongest language and some weak attempts at economic sanctions is all that would happen. Cook it.
We won't even do shit about WMDs in Syria. Used again last week.
So you're saying the NATO treaty is as worthless as the paper it's printed on? I don't buy it. The US and EU will send soldiers and money to defend a NATO ally. They want those countries to remain NATO allies, they don't want the USSR to come back, and they certainly don't want Russia attacking Europe.
But like I said, all this shit is moot because Russia isn't even half as strong as it would need to be to win such a war. AZDuck was right, this current Russia is a fucking shadow of its USSR heyday.
This current situation in Ukraine is like Mike Tyson beating up a homeless man. Washed up, former world power kicking the shit out of someone no one cares about in an effort to stay relevant.
if there's one thing the US does like, it's fighting in wars in order to feed the military industrial complex.
DynCorp would love to get paid billions of dollars to do a half-assed job rebuilding the rubble Lithuania and Moscow. -
The US won't do shit until the US feels that it's interests are being threatened.
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which is pretty fucking often.Tequilla said:The US won't do shit until the US feels that it's interests are being threatened.
Damone saying that the USA won't go to war when old arch-enemy Russia attacks NATO is retarded.
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No fucking way. 10 years ago, yes. Now, we don't have the appetite for any military action...it would be political suicide for the dems. The only way we go to war is if directly attacked by another nation. That's it.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
which is pretty fucking often.Tequilla said:The US won't do shit until the US feels that it's interests are being threatened.
Damone saying that the USA won't go to war when old arch-enemy Russia attacks NATO is retarded.
We might "help" NATO with some planes and bombs like Kosovo, but we won't be involved in any real war. We don't have the resolve in both terms of money and lives. Americans would see even less justification for this than Iraq and Afghanistan. Let the EU figure it out will be our going in position. Guranfuckingtee. -
Damone's right that we'll let the EU figure it out ... until they prove that they can't figure it out.
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And a different president is elected.Tequilla said:Damone's right that we'll let the EU figure it out ... until they prove that they can't figure it out.
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Then we will lead from behind ...Tequilla said:Damone's right that we'll let the EU figure it out ... until they prove that they can't figure it out.
