This is what happens when you ain’t played nobody and are over ranked. Russia is like Oklahoma, facing an underfunded K-State that they’re too soft for. But the longer the game goes the better their odds, that’s how Russohoma gets Ws. Their proudest pre-WWII moment was defeating Napoleon: by retreating back and burning Moscow to the ground. Haha take that you frogs, good luck finding food so deep in our self destroyed country.
In the last 24 hours Russia claims two Ukrainian helicopters flew a sortie into Russian territory. To a border town used as a staging area, and hit the fuel depot there with missiles. Ukraine denies. Video shows helicopters. If Russia did it as a false flag attack I’d have expected some civilian deaths.
Russian troops pulled back from Chernobyl. Six dozen of them with radiation sickness, one dead from it. They were surprised at how little resistance they had met there back in February. The Ukrainians didn’t think anyone was stupid enough to march an army, complete with tanks and digging trenches, through soil that’s holding 35 years of undisturbed radiation.
As the Ukes retake areas around Kyiv they’re finding dead civilians everywhere. Some of them with hands tied behind their back. Between the 5,000+ at Mariupol and the destruction of Kharkiv and Chernigiv the numbers of dead Civilians are going to be staggering. The town of Irpin, once one of the nicer suburbs of Kyiv is just rubble and stray dogs that have been fattened on Russian meat. They mostly only exfil the officers corps(es) back to Russia. I went to a nightclub in Irpin once when I was 16, took some ecstasy, got head from a slut ~10 years older than me, went back on the dance floor and realized that semen shows up under a black light pretty vividly - it’s sad to see such innocent memories stained. Telegram has some brutal war imagery.
When they empty the pockets of the dead Russian soldiers there’s almost always jewelry, just piles of rings. One abandoned APC was stuffed with loot - but really shitty loot. Toys, new in the box frying pans, welding equipment, and my favorite; a bag of transitional post-USSR currency (Karbovanets aka Coupons) that Ukraine hasn’t used since 1998, in bills that were worth pennies then have been literally worthless since 1998. A common refrain in the videos are Ukrainian soldiers asking just how poor are these Russians. Some of the POWs are shocked at how much better Ukrainian peasants have it, let alone the middle class. Those guys would be fighting their own government if they knew how Moscow and Piter are compared to the rest of Russia.
I have been wondering just how bad the war crimes actually are there. Your description aligns with what my best guess would have been. Massive frustration at their own shrimp dicks has them acting out badly. When militaries are humiliated is usually when atrocities occur (Japanese exlcuded). If there is evidence of civilian executions it will be interesting to see how the world will handle it. The problem is, we aren't going to go fight Russia to be able to get to any of the leaders who will be charged at the Hague. All responsible will live out their days in some shit village in Russia.
I didn’t give the humiliation angle any thought, that makes a lot of sense.
I just expected war crimes from day one, because that’s how it is there. I went to Donbas in 2014, right after the last time I was rejected for a Russian visa, because I was close enough and curious to see what a “real war” looked like. I’d been to CAR the year prior, but it was small arms and roving militias and 1/100th the scale. The cruelty level is the same, but the firepower disparity is to where a few volunteer battalions from either side could take the entirety of CAR in a week. This was a different reality. What they call “banditism” started as soon as the “rebels” (25% local drunks and lowlifes, 50% Russian equivalent and mercs, 25% official Russian military) took over. It was the worst thing I’ve ever seen, and I didn’t come close to seeing the worst of it. I was curious to see more but I didn’t want to have gardening tools in my ass or a car battery to my balls while awaiting my ransom payment.
You don’t have to scroll too far through the timeline here to see what’s going on. Obvious war imagery warning: https://mobile.twitter.com/spook_info
No one outside the Ukraine really knows who is winning and who is losing in Ukraine.
I’ve been able to reach my grandmother a few times on her cell, she has an overly rosy view since she gets her news from Ukrainian TV and radio. She’s also in Kyiv, fairly close (~30 KM) to the Russian high tide mark they’ve been pushed back from. She says after the first week they thought the Russians might take the capital, but now the Russians have had to “withdraw” because they were getting slaughtered. They did a shit ton of damage to the outlying towns, though. Just destroyed everything out of spite. I’m
A friend, one of the few people there I trust/groomsmen level type friend, has a more realistic outlook based on what he’s doing. He also says Kyiv is safe for now, but the Russians aren’t going to stop trying to cleave the country. They’ve moved from taking land to terrorizing the people into submission. Donbas and particularly Luhansk - where it’s been going on for eight years- is an apocalyptic wasteland of fighting between elite units from both, bolstered by what they call “cannon meat”. He says both sides have shown restraint compared to what they’re capable of, because they don’t think it’s ending soon. It’s still much more bloody than one would think if they only watched BeeBeeSee or our other Western bitch pederast media.
No one outside the Ukraine really knows who is winning and who is losing in Ukraine.
I’ve been able to reach my grandmother a few times on her cell, she has an overly rosy view since she gets her news from Ukrainian TV and radio. She’s also in Kyiv, fairly close (~30 KM) to the Russian high tide mark they’ve been pushed back from. She says after the first week they thought the Russians might take the capital, but now the Russians have had to “withdraw” because they were getting slaughtered. They did a shit ton of damage to the outlying towns, though. Just destroyed everything out of spite. I’m
A friend, one of the few people there I trust/groomsmen level type friend, has a more realistic outlook based on what he’s doing. He also says Kyiv is safe for now, but the Russians aren’t going to stop trying to cleave the country. They’ve moved from taking land to terrorizing the people into submission. Donbas and particularly Luhansk - where it’s been going on for eight years- is an apocalyptic wasteland of fighting between elite units from both, bolstered by what they call “cannon meat”. He says both sides have shown restraint compared to what they’re capable of, because they don’t think it’s ending soon. It’s still much more bloody than one would think if they only watched BeeBeeSee or our other Western bitch pederast media.
what's her view of Zelensky?
TLDR: Little clever Jew man eez beeg hero.
As a general rule my grandmother doesn’t think old people like her in the former USSR should be allowed to vote. Years of Soviet conditioning has made it so they are too trusting of anything they hear that has a tinge of authority to it. Because of that she doesn’t like to discus politics, we never talked about it before - just her being glad that the younger generation that hasn’t been brainwashed is taking control.
She did like Zelensky the comedian long before he had political aspirations. I will say he’s an incredible comedian, his show Vecherniy Kvartal was a sketch show like SNL - but a bit different in that it was actually really funny. I’ve seen her laugh so hard she had a difficult time saying “how has the government not killed these guys yet?!?” circa 2011 or 12.
Now that the same guy is in charge during this brutal invasion he’s probably the most popular man in the history of the land. She cried telling me how the other babushkas in her old folks community look forward to hearing his raspy voice every evening. How the country couldn’t hope (they’re trained not to hope for too much there) for a better person to lead them. I imagine this is what Englishmen thought of Churchill in WWII.
From my view, he’s either the greatest actor who ever lived or his combination of heartache, eloquence, and desire to do everything possible to save his country is pretty fucking amazing. He gave an interview to the remaining Russian independent media (which was then shut down as punishment) and the way he expressed himself in Russian while answering their questions was the best display of humanity I’ve ever seen. The difference between Putin’s inability to express anything other than contempt and cold anger versus hearing a real person with emotions, hope, and intelligence could not be any more stark. I wasn’t a huge fan of Zelensky because Ukrainian politics is nothing but disappointment, but he’s spun gold out of pig shit and I can’t imagine anyone doing better than he’s done.
War crime update: the scale is unfathomable. Russians never expected to retreat from the occupied areas. Western media holds back the worst of it, and the brutality is everything that was expected and then some. Makes the Yugoslav wars seem like a miniature version with restraint. In the last 24 hours 400+ civilian corpses found just between two liberated suburban towns by Kyiv with a combined prewar population of ~60,000.
Mass graves, people with their hands tied and shot, people hiding in basements blown up with hand grenades or set in fire, children dead from bleeding caused by gang rapes, thousands of women subjected to sexual violence, stomach turning torture, people killed just for fun, civil leaders and officials slaughtered with their families. Old people saying that the German blitzkrieg and occupation was nowhere near this horrific.
War crime update: the scale is unfathomable. Russians never expected to retreat from the occupied areas. Western media holds back the worst of it, and the brutality is everything that was expected and then some. Makes the Yugoslav wars seem like a miniature version with restraint. In the last 24 hours 400+ civilian corpses found just between two liberated suburban towns by Kyiv with a combined prewar population of ~60,000.
Mass graves, people with their hands tied and shot, people hiding in basements blown up with hand grenades or set in fire, children dead from bleeding caused by gang rapes, thousands of women subjected to sexual violence, stomach turning torture, people killed just for fun, civil leaders and officials slaughtered with their families. Old people saying that the German blitzkrieg and occupation was nowhere near this horrific.
Reports are that up to 7 Russian generals have been KIA thus far. Seems that the Russian Army decided to rely upon cell towers in Ukraine for their communications. The Ukrainian military has been intercepting their communications and then pinpointing their locations, then dropping missiles on their heads.
Also reports of Russian soldiers shooting themselves to get sent home. Sabotaging their own equipment and even, reportedly, shooting down one of their own aircraft on purpose. Looks like 200K Russians having a time with 600K Ukrainian soldiers.
Home team battling their ranked opponent.
"Over rated, Over rated"
But Doogman said the Russian military was 5*. I’m so surprised that when they got on the field, they couldn’t perform.
War crime update: the scale is unfathomable. Russians never expected to retreat from the occupied areas. Western media holds back the worst of it, and the brutality is everything that was expected and then some. Makes the Yugoslav wars seem like a miniature version with restraint. In the last 24 hours 400+ civilian corpses found just between two liberated suburban towns by Kyiv with a combined prewar population of ~60,000.
Mass graves, people with their hands tied and shot, people hiding in basements blown up with hand grenades or set in fire, children dead from bleeding caused by gang rapes, thousands of women subjected to sexual violence, stomach turning torture, people killed just for fun, civil leaders and officials slaughtered with their families. Old people saying that the German blitzkrieg and occupation was nowhere near this horrific.
Reports are that up to 7 Russian generals have been KIA thus far. Seems that the Russian Army decided to rely upon cell towers in Ukraine for their communications. The Ukrainian military has been intercepting their communications and then pinpointing their locations, then dropping missiles on their heads.
Also reports of Russian soldiers shooting themselves to get sent home. Sabotaging their own equipment and even, reportedly, shooting down one of their own aircraft on purpose. Looks like 200K Russians having a time with 600K Ukrainian soldiers.
Home team battling their ranked opponent.
"Over rated, Over rated"
But Doogman said the Russian military was 5*. I’m so surprised that when they got on the field, they couldn’t perform.
In hindsight, the overall corruption of the Russian culture contaminated their military. Like the Olympics in Sochi, a huge amount of the construction funding was stolen and then the subsequent actual construction was world class sh*tty. The quality of the American officer class of the US military was a result of a strict meritocracy rather than payoffs. That's being undermined as fast as the dems can get there. The Russians obviously have serious morale problems, logistic problems and leadership problems as a result of corruption and promoted incompetents. And like the US in Iraq and Afghanistan they have had a complete failure in their intelligence agencies. Plus who wants to tell a murderous dictator like Putin the hard truth?
War crime update: the scale is unfathomable. Russians never expected to retreat from the occupied areas. Western media holds back the worst of it, and the brutality is everything that was expected and then some. Makes the Yugoslav wars seem like a miniature version with restraint. In the last 24 hours 400+ civilian corpses found just between two liberated suburban towns by Kyiv with a combined prewar population of ~60,000.
Mass graves, people with their hands tied and shot, people hiding in basements blown up with hand grenades or set in fire, children dead from bleeding caused by gang rapes, thousands of women subjected to sexual violence, stomach turning torture, people killed just for fun, civil leaders and officials slaughtered with their families. Old people saying that the German blitzkrieg and occupation was nowhere near this horrific.
It's almost like the American founders with the 2A had a plan other than being slaughtered and raped.
I don’t think my guns would help me against a Russian battalion tactical group. With my rifle I could probably take out a fair number of red coats before they could reload their smooth bore muskets for a second volley, but a T-72 tank might be another matter.
Reports are that up to 7 Russian generals have been KIA thus far. Seems that the Russian Army decided to rely upon cell towers in Ukraine for their communications. The Ukrainian military has been intercepting their communications and then pinpointing their locations, then dropping missiles on their heads.
Also reports of Russian soldiers shooting themselves to get sent home. Sabotaging their own equipment and even, reportedly, shooting down one of their own aircraft on purpose. Looks like 200K Russians having a time with 600K Ukrainian soldiers.
Home team battling their ranked opponent.
"Over rated, Over rated"
But Doogman said the Russian military was 5*. I’m so surprised that when they got on the field, they couldn’t perform.
In hindsight, the overall corruption of the Russian culture contaminated their military. Like the Olympics in Sochi, a huge amount of the construction funding was stolen and then the subsequent actual construction was world class sh*tty. The quality of the American officer class of the US military was a result of a strict meritocracy rather than payoffs. That's being undermined as fast as the dems can get there. The Russians obviously have serious morale problems, logistic problems and leadership problems as a result of corruption and promoted incompetents. And like the US in Iraq and Afghanistan they have had a complete failure in their intelligence agencies. Plus who wants to tell a murderous dictator like Putin the hard truth?
You make some very good points; the corruption is so endemic across all ranks there that when the Russians showed up for what the junior officers thought were war games (until a few days prior) they wrote down that they had full fuel supplies. Half had been sold off, because they didn’t think they’d actually need them. No ones going to tell Putin he’s one of the few who considers their army sacred, while an underpaid major wants to get facial hair removal surgery for his wife and daughter, and penis enlargement surgery for himself. Maybe even a vacation to an all inclusive resort in Turkey where he will drink his weight in alcohol to get his moneys worth.
The other good point is that nepotism and bribery secures a place at their military academies, whereas ours are mostly meritocracy based. I’ve known several people who went to West Point, including my future BiL plus a deserter that joined the FFL, and they were all qualified, type A personality overachievers, excellent physical condition, etc. Those who stay for their careers, like the BiL, are well compensated but are also turning down more lucrative opportunities because they want to do this and with each promotion the best are kept. There are some politics, but mostly meritocracy on the road to colonel. In Russia they hang on to their rank to help facilitate their corruption based income.
War crime update: the scale is unfathomable. Russians never expected to retreat from the occupied areas. Western media holds back the worst of it, and the brutality is everything that was expected and then some. Makes the Yugoslav wars seem like a miniature version with restraint. In the last 24 hours 400+ civilian corpses found just between two liberated suburban towns by Kyiv with a combined prewar population of ~60,000.
Mass graves, people with their hands tied and shot, people hiding in basements blown up with hand grenades or set in fire, children dead from bleeding caused by gang rapes, thousands of women subjected to sexual violence, stomach turning torture, people killed just for fun, civil leaders and officials slaughtered with their families. Old people saying that the German blitzkrieg and occupation was nowhere near this horrific.
War crime update: the scale is unfathomable. Russians never expected to retreat from the occupied areas. Western media holds back the worst of it, and the brutality is everything that was expected and then some. Makes the Yugoslav wars seem like a miniature version with restraint. In the last 24 hours 400+ civilian corpses found just between two liberated suburban towns by Kyiv with a combined prewar population of ~60,000.
Mass graves, people with their hands tied and shot, people hiding in basements blown up with hand grenades or set in fire, children dead from bleeding caused by gang rapes, thousands of women subjected to sexual violence, stomach turning torture, people killed just for fun, civil leaders and officials slaughtered with their families. Old people saying that the German blitzkrieg and occupation was nowhere near this horrific.
War crime update: the scale is unfathomable. Russians never expected to retreat from the occupied areas. Western media holds back the worst of it, and the brutality is everything that was expected and then some. Makes the Yugoslav wars seem like a miniature version with restraint. In the last 24 hours 400+ civilian corpses found just between two liberated suburban towns by Kyiv with a combined prewar population of ~60,000.
Mass graves, people with their hands tied and shot, people hiding in basements blown up with hand grenades or set in fire, children dead from bleeding caused by gang rapes, thousands of women subjected to sexual violence, stomach turning torture, people killed just for fun, civil leaders and officials slaughtered with their families. Old people saying that the German blitzkrieg and occupation was nowhere near this horrific.
It's almost like the American founders with the 2A had a plan other than being slaughtered and raped.
I don’t think my guns would help me against a Russian battalion tactical group. With my rifle I could probably take out a fair number of red coats before they could reload their smooth bore muskets for a second volley, but a T-72 tank might be another matter.
War crime update: the scale is unfathomable. Russians never expected to retreat from the occupied areas. Western media holds back the worst of it, and the brutality is everything that was expected and then some. Makes the Yugoslav wars seem like a miniature version with restraint. In the last 24 hours 400+ civilian corpses found just between two liberated suburban towns by Kyiv with a combined prewar population of ~60,000.
Mass graves, people with their hands tied and shot, people hiding in basements blown up with hand grenades or set in fire, children dead from bleeding caused by gang rapes, thousands of women subjected to sexual violence, stomach turning torture, people killed just for fun, civil leaders and officials slaughtered with their families. Old people saying that the German blitzkrieg and occupation was nowhere near this horrific.
It's almost like the American founders with the 2A had a plan other than being slaughtered and raped.
I don’t think my guns would help me against a Russian battalion tactical group. With my rifle I could probably take out a fair number of red coats before they could reload their smooth bore muskets for a second volley, but a T-72 tank might be another matter.
War crime update: the scale is unfathomable. Russians never expected to retreat from the occupied areas. Western media holds back the worst of it, and the brutality is everything that was expected and then some. Makes the Yugoslav wars seem like a miniature version with restraint. In the last 24 hours 400+ civilian corpses found just between two liberated suburban towns by Kyiv with a combined prewar population of ~60,000.
Mass graves, people with their hands tied and shot, people hiding in basements blown up with hand grenades or set in fire, children dead from bleeding caused by gang rapes, thousands of women subjected to sexual violence, stomach turning torture, people killed just for fun, civil leaders and officials slaughtered with their families. Old people saying that the German blitzkrieg and occupation was nowhere near this horrific.
War crime update: the scale is unfathomable. Russians never expected to retreat from the occupied areas. Western media holds back the worst of it, and the brutality is everything that was expected and then some. Makes the Yugoslav wars seem like a miniature version with restraint. In the last 24 hours 400+ civilian corpses found just between two liberated suburban towns by Kyiv with a combined prewar population of ~60,000.
Mass graves, people with their hands tied and shot, people hiding in basements blown up with hand grenades or set in fire, children dead from bleeding caused by gang rapes, thousands of women subjected to sexual violence, stomach turning torture, people killed just for fun, civil leaders and officials slaughtered with their families. Old people saying that the German blitzkrieg and occupation was nowhere near this horrific.
It's almost like the American founders with the 2A had a plan other than being slaughtered and raped.
I don’t think my guns would help me against a Russian battalion tactical group. With my rifle I could probably take out a fair number of red coats before they could reload their smooth bore muskets for a second volley, but a T-72 tank might be another matter.
War crime update: the scale is unfathomable. Russians never expected to retreat from the occupied areas. Western media holds back the worst of it, and the brutality is everything that was expected and then some. Makes the Yugoslav wars seem like a miniature version with restraint. In the last 24 hours 400+ civilian corpses found just between two liberated suburban towns by Kyiv with a combined prewar population of ~60,000.
Mass graves, people with their hands tied and shot, people hiding in basements blown up with hand grenades or set in fire, children dead from bleeding caused by gang rapes, thousands of women subjected to sexual violence, stomach turning torture, people killed just for fun, civil leaders and officials slaughtered with their families. Old people saying that the German blitzkrieg and occupation was nowhere near this horrific.
It's almost like the American founders with the 2A had a plan other than being slaughtered and raped.
I don’t think my guns would help me against a Russian battalion tactical group. With my rifle I could probably take out a fair number of red coats before they could reload their smooth bore muskets for a second volley, but a T-72 tank might be another matter.
2A Allows you to have a T-72 tank.
HTH.
If you have one it might not help. Tanks don’t usually battle other tanks. Tanks are more of an attack spearhead type of thing to support infantry, so unless there’s two head on assaults occurring that’s very unlikely. A Russian tactical battalion will have two anti-tank groups for each tank group. So what you’d need to counter that is something more along the lines of an RPG. Or the much more effective and costly guided anti-tank weaponry we see being used now: Javelin (US), NLAW (UK), Stugna (Ukraine). Another effective weapon has been the John Deere tractor.
This is actually a SAM system, but it looks close enough to a tank for most people.
Russians have been running out of fuel, breaking down too far past their lines, or just plain abandoning their shit, from Howitzers to BTRs to this very expensive thing. Ukrainian farmers love them some John Deere.
Anyway, unsurprisingly, you missed the point. 2A isn’t germane to the discussion at hand, so I’m guessing the person who brought that up was just looking for any reason to bring it up - relevance be damned. I wasted time on the current state of tank warfare, might as well if we’re just saying what we feel like. I wish you luck in your pursuit of a T-72, but if that fails and you’re interested in a tank that can bypass NFA as an antique then I’d recommend the 1916 Renault FT. With diesel prices being what they are this thing allows for much more economically efficient war crimes, and can fit in most garages.
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I just expected war crimes from day one, because that’s how it is there. I went to Donbas in 2014, right after the last time I was rejected for a Russian visa, because I was close enough and curious to see what a “real war” looked like. I’d been to CAR the year prior, but it was small arms and roving militias and 1/100th the scale. The cruelty level is the same, but the firepower disparity is to where a few volunteer battalions from either side could take the entirety of CAR in a week. This was a different reality. What they call “banditism” started as soon as the “rebels” (25% local drunks and lowlifes, 50% Russian equivalent and mercs, 25% official Russian military) took over. It was the worst thing I’ve ever seen, and I didn’t come close to seeing the worst of it. I was curious to see more but I didn’t want to have gardening tools in my ass or a car battery to my balls while awaiting my ransom payment.
You don’t have to scroll too far through the timeline here to see what’s going on. Obvious war imagery warning: https://mobile.twitter.com/spook_info
As a general rule my grandmother doesn’t think old people like her in the former USSR should be allowed to vote. Years of Soviet conditioning has made it so they are too trusting of anything they hear that has a tinge of authority to it. Because of that she doesn’t like to discus politics, we never talked about it before - just her being glad that the younger generation that hasn’t been brainwashed is taking control.
She did like Zelensky the comedian long before he had political aspirations. I will say he’s an incredible comedian, his show Vecherniy Kvartal was a sketch show like SNL - but a bit different in that it was actually really funny. I’ve seen her laugh so hard she had a difficult time saying “how has the government not killed these guys yet?!?” circa 2011 or 12.
Now that the same guy is in charge during this brutal invasion he’s probably the most popular man in the history of the land. She cried telling me how the other babushkas in her old folks community look forward to hearing his raspy voice every evening. How the country couldn’t hope (they’re trained not to hope for too much there) for a better person to lead them. I imagine this is what Englishmen thought of Churchill in WWII.
From my view, he’s either the greatest actor who ever lived or his combination of heartache, eloquence, and desire to do everything possible to save his country is pretty fucking amazing. He gave an interview to the remaining Russian independent media (which was then shut down as punishment) and the way he expressed himself in Russian while answering their questions was the best display of humanity I’ve ever seen. The difference between Putin’s inability to express anything other than contempt and cold anger versus hearing a real person with emotions, hope, and intelligence could not be any more stark. I wasn’t a huge fan of Zelensky because Ukrainian politics is nothing but disappointment, but he’s spun gold out of pig shit and I can’t imagine anyone doing better than he’s done.
Mass graves, people with their hands tied and shot, people hiding in basements blown up with hand grenades or set in fire, children dead from bleeding caused by gang rapes, thousands of women subjected to sexual violence, stomach turning torture, people killed just for fun, civil leaders and officials slaughtered with their families. Old people saying that the German blitzkrieg and occupation was nowhere near this horrific.
Human Rights Watch is fairly mild, but I figure for the gentle American consumer this is more appropriate versus other sources: https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/04/03/ukraine-apparent-war-crimes-russia-controlled-areas
They forget.
The other good point is that nepotism and bribery secures a place at their military academies, whereas ours are mostly meritocracy based. I’ve known several people who went to West Point, including my future BiL plus a deserter that joined the FFL, and they were all qualified, type A personality overachievers, excellent physical condition, etc. Those who stay for their careers, like the BiL, are well compensated but are also turning down more lucrative opportunities because they want to do this and with each promotion the best are kept. There are some politics, but mostly meritocracy on the road to colonel. In Russia they hang on to their rank to help facilitate their corruption based income.
HTH.
This is actually a SAM system, but it looks close enough to a tank for most people.
Russians have been running out of fuel, breaking down too far past their lines, or just plain abandoning their shit, from Howitzers to BTRs to this very expensive thing. Ukrainian farmers love them some John Deere.
Anyway, unsurprisingly, you missed the point. 2A isn’t germane to the discussion at hand, so I’m guessing the person who brought that up was just looking for any reason to bring it up - relevance be damned. I wasted time on the current state of tank warfare, might as well if we’re just saying what we feel like. I wish you luck in your pursuit of a T-72, but if that fails and you’re interested in a tank that can bypass NFA as an antique then I’d recommend the 1916 Renault FT. With diesel prices being what they are this thing allows for much more economically efficient war crimes, and can fit in most garages.