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Uncomfortable Truth Bomb
pawz
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Yup, we were keeping terrorists out and being the world's policeman. Still doesn't make what Russia is doing right.
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What we were doing wasn't all benevolent. For example, it's clear looking back that we went into Iraq because Sadaam was threatening to sell oil on a system other than the USD. But at the time I bought the propaganda and supported the war.Goduckies said:Yup, we were keeping terrorists out and being the world's policeman. Still doesn't make what Russia is doing right.
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We also got thousands of jihadis to attack us in Iraq instead of here. It was worth it from that aspect alone.
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I remember how those interventions resulted in annexed territory for the US, not. Last major US territorial annexation was the Spanish-American War in the 1800s. But for a leftard, things never change. Republicans ended slavery, but somehow the dems are the good guys with the original Jim Crow 1.0.Goduckies said:Yup, we were keeping terrorists out and being the world's policeman. Still doesn't make what Russia is doing right.
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There's no way you can look at what we and the Europeans did in Libya and be proud of it. Libya is now a completely failed state with slavery and terroism and misery and we don't even talk about it.DerekJohnson said:
What we were doing wasn't all benevolent. For example, it's clear looking back that we went into Iraq because Sadaam was threatening to sell oil on a system other than the USD. But at the time I bought the propaganda and supported the war.Goduckies said:Yup, we were keeping terrorists out and being the world's policeman. Still doesn't make what Russia is doing right.
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That's speculative. You might be right, you might not.Goduckies said:We also got thousands of jihadis to attack us in Iraq instead of here. It was worth it from that aspect alone.
If America was being occupied, many Americans would be fighting that otherwise would not -
It 100% happened al qaeda in Iraq, etc... way better to use the military to kill them over there than the worthless fbi here.
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Agreed, we probably did kill a lot of Jihadis there, but Stalin is right, how many did we create? And Sadaam was already pretty good at killing Jihadis. We created a bigger mess by removing him. And I too say this as someone who support the war. Our interventions haven't been good. They've cost us trillions and they've left the countries we invaded worse off. Nation building in Afghanistan and Iraq were complete cluster fucks.Goduckies said:It 100% happened al qaeda in Iraq, etc... way better to use the military to kill them over there than the worthless fbi here.
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The problem in Iraq and Afghanistan is that there was no mission other than the neocons delusion that muslim goat herders were longing for western civilization and democracy. They weren't. Kamal Ataturk brutally westernized Turkey in similar fashion that Peter the Great westernized Russia. When you decide not to defeat (kill) your enemy on the battlefield and allow the enemy to be resupplied without any punishment from Iran and Pakistan, you are just holding limited territory and taking casualties with no offsetting strategic gains.DerekJohnson said:
That's speculative. You might be right, you might not.Goduckies said:We also got thousands of jihadis to attack us in Iraq instead of here. It was worth it from that aspect alone.
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I've become jaded to the point that I think making money became the primary motive after a few years passedWestlinnDuck said:
The problem in Iraq and Afghanistan is that there was no mission other than the neocons delusion that muslim goat herders were longing for western civilization and democracy. They weren't. Kamal Ataturk brutally westernized Turkey in similar fashion that Peter the Great westernized Russia. When you decide not to defeat (kill) your enemy on the battlefield and allow the enemy to be resupplied without any punishment from Iran and Pakistan, you are just holding limited territory and taking casualties with no offsetting strategic gains.DerekJohnson said:
That's speculative. You might be right, you might not.Goduckies said:We also got thousands of jihadis to attack us in Iraq instead of here. It was worth it from that aspect alone.
If America was being occupied, many Americans would be fighting that otherwise would not
