Jake Heaps beat out for Kansas Qb1

GrundleStiltzkin

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/kansas-coach-weis-makes-cozart-164005267--spt.html

CWDWHA

CokeGreaterThanPepsi

One of my favorite memories of doogman is those 3 idiots drooling over that kid for YEARS... He was a finished product at 15 years old.

Gladstone

Could have gone anywhere in the country and yet here he is riding pine in bumfuck Kansas #LifelongRegrets

HFNY

Heaps was really bad last year:

G Comp Att Pct Yds Y/A Y/G TD Int Long Sack YdsL QBRat
Jake Heaps 11 128 261 49.0 1414 5.4 128.5 8 10 77 26 209 97.0
Montell Cozart 7 23 63 36.5 227 3.6 32.4 0 2 45 2 11 60.4
Michael Cummings 3 3 4 75.0 44 11.0 14.7 1 0 28 1 2 249.9

biak1

Yeah.... fuck that guy.

puppylove_sugarsteel

biak1 said:

Yeah.... fuck

Heaps is a good kid from a good family. What an insightful post you ignant bitch biatch1. What a turd.

LoneStarDawg

we made a much better decision with Nick Montana

biak1

puppylove_sugarsteel said:

biak1 said:

Yeah.... fuck

Heaps is a good kid from a good family. What an insightful post you ignant bitch biatch1. What a turd.

NYBE.

bananasnblondes

Since he and his family believe in magical underwear and that a professional scam artist was told by god to start the religion they follow I'd say he has bigger issues.

Tequilla

I'm a firm believer that one of the hardest things to recruit is the player that doesn't have a ton of competition. When you recruit in states like California, Texas, Florida, etc., even the shit teams in the best leagues will have 2-3 D1 players on them. You can get a good idea of whether a player has it or not. The toughest guys to recruit are kids like Heaps and a lot of Bellevue kids because they are so much better than the competition that it's hard to tell what happens to them when they have to step up.

The guys in that situation you are looking for are those that go to national situations and make a leap up tied to their competition and continue to show up and be the alpha males. But if I remember about Heaps, while everybody was still drooling over him because of his stats, etc., he wasn't outperforming a lot of the QBs in the class when they were all there.

And when you look back at the top QBs in the 2009 class - fucking dreckfest: http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/where-are-they-now-2009-elite-11-qbs-including-gardner-bolden-boisture

biak1

You make a good point Tequilla -- Walker Williams is a recent local example that comes to mind where how good a player is/isn't wasn't easy to see because of the league he was in. Allegedly UW passed on him, and granted he would've sucked because of Cozzetto anyway, but it's a coaching skillset that is always a good thing to have and something that I think the current staff is halfways decent at.

Fire_Marshall_Bill

bananasnblondes said:

Since he and his family believe in magical underwear and that a professional scam artist was told by god to start the religion they follow I'd say he has bigger issues.

Parents of LDS recruits read this board. Let's clean it up.

GrundleStiltzkin

Fire_Marshall_Bill said:

bananasnblondes said:

Since he and his family believe in magical underwear and that a professional scam artist was told by god to start the religion they follow I'd say he has bigger issues.

Parents of LDS recruits read this board. Let's clean it up.

I thought he was talking about Taylor Barton.

TTJ

brchco12 said:

we made a much better decision with Nick Montana

Gotta disagree with that one. They're both horrid busts, but I'd rather build inroads at Skyline than Oaks Christian.

FWIW, Heaps outplayed Saint Jake in 2010.

PostGameOrangeSlices

Tequilla said:

I'm a firm believer that one of the hardest things to recruit is the player that doesn't have a ton of competition. When you recruit in states like California, Texas, Florida, etc., even the shit teams in the best leagues will have 2-3 D1 players on them. You can get a good idea of whether a player has it or not. The toughest guys to recruit are kids like Heaps and a lot of Bellevue kids because they are so much better than the competition that it's hard to tell what happens to them when they have to step up.

The guys in that situation you are looking for are those that go to national situations and make a leap up tied to their competition and continue to show up and be the alpha males. But if I remember about Heaps, while everybody was still drooling over him because of his stats, etc., he wasn't outperforming a lot of the QBs in the class when they were all there.

And when you look back at the top QBs in the 2009 class - fucking dreckfest: http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/where-are-they-now-2009-elite-11-qbs-including-gardner-bolden-boisture

Wa state aint texas, but it has to be in the top 12 most competitive states for high school football.

Qb's from this state do well, historically

Tequilla

Which state of these 12 is Washington a better producer than from a talent standpoint?

Texas
California
Florida
Ohio
Michigan
Louisiana
Alabama
Georgia
Virginia
North Carolina
Pennsylvania
Maryland

Or if you want to go further how about comparing to states like Mississippi, South Carolina, Tennessee, Illinois, Oklahoma, and New Jersey.

Washington ranks somewhere around 15-25 for top talent producing states.

Meek

TTJ said:

brchco12 said:

we made a much better decision with Nick Montana

FWIW, Heaps outplayed the best play caller in America who happened to have Saint Jake in 2010.

crisped to keep with the Sark tributes

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Tequilla said:

I'm a firm believer that one of the hardest things to recruit is the player that doesn't have a ton of competition. When you recruit in states like California, Texas, Florida, etc., even the shit teams in the best leagues will have 2-3 D1 players on them. You can get a good idea of whether a player has it or not. The toughest guys to recruit are kids like Heaps and a lot of Bellevue kids because they are so much better than the competition that it's hard to tell what happens to them when they have to step up.

The guys in that situation you are looking for are those that go to national situations and make a leap up tied to their competition and continue to show up and be the alpha males. But if I remember about Heaps, while everybody was still drooling over him because of his stats, etc., he wasn't outperforming a lot of the QBs in the class when they were all there.

And when you look back at the top QBs in the 2009 class - fucking dreckfest: http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/where-are-they-now-2009-elite-11-qbs-including-gardner-bolden-boisture

This is complete nonsense. I mean Nick Montana played against good competition and he was a total fucking bust. You can find studs and duds in any state.

The key is being able to evaluate talent to tell the difference and then coach up the talent. You telling me Jonathan Stewert was facing great competition in the Pac-9? Get the fuck out of here with that nonsense.

Tequilla

Clearly there's going to be busts from good states and guys that are going to rise up from the middle of nowhere. In fact, I'm pretty sure that I said as much.

My point being that you have more evidence with good players from good states as to knowing whether they have the ability to rise up at competition levels or not.

And yes, you are absolutely right, part of good recruiting is being able to understand how much more you can get out of a player and then having the ability to get that talent out of them.

AtomicDawg

Heaps sucked all along but I am not sure it was that easy to evaluate coming out of high school. It was a horrible year for QB's. I was at the BYU game when he first played and his first pass was almost a pick 6 where we blitzed from the strong side to force the ball to the weak side wide out. He made the same mistake only about 5 other times that year. He is the least athletic QB I think I have seen in years at a major school. If you look at his freshman season all his numbers were against shit teams. Had zero ability to improvise or buy time in the pocket. He also had zero concept of touch as everything was thrown hard regardless if that is what the best choice was. He had pretty good arm strength but not much else going for him.

RoadDawg55

Tequilla said:

Clearly there's going to be busts from good states and guys that are going to rise up from the middle of nowhere. In fact, I'm pretty sure that I said as much.

My point being that you have more evidence with good players from good states as to knowing whether they have the ability to rise up at competition levels or not.

And yes, you are absolutely right, part of good recruiting is being able to understand how much more you can get out of a player and then having the ability to get that talent out of them.

Water is wet. Your posts are basically saying there is better talent in CA and Texas than Washington. I'm not sure what your point is.