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7 of the 8 teams in the West are going to win 50 games ... the 8th will win 49 games.
The Clippers are a threat ... but going out in the 2nd round doesn't necessarily mean that they've had a bad year. I would think that they're a favorite against both Golden State and the Bastard Sonics. -
Great player in Chris Paul they have a great second player in Blake Griffin. Good front court in Griffin/Jordan which means Brooks will be dumb and play Perkins 30+ minutes.
Doc Rivers is a top 3 coach in the NBA so that will help against an OKC. I think the Clippers are a real threat.
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I don't think the Clippers are doing shit. I won't be surprised if Golden State beats them in the first round.
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The clippers and the Thunder need to trade Chris Paul and Westbrook. Paul would create all the opportunities for Durant and allow him to be the number 1 option he is, while Westbrook would be the alpha in control to drive the blake griffin to the heights he is capable of. Case closed.
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Maybe it's the PL_SS cocktail i'm on, but why does Chris Paul get such a pass? He's universally lauded as the best PG in the game, yet he hasn't won shit. Why the kid gloves?
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He has arguably the freakish athletes in the league surrounding him, a scoring mercenary in Jamal Crawford, and Doc Rivers pulling the strings... WIN OR GTFO.
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I've always wondered that myself. I think it's because he's never had a supporting cast or a good head coach.Doogles said:Maybe it's the PL_SS cocktail i'm on, but why does Chris Paul get such a pass? He's universally lauded as the best PG in the game, yet he hasn't won shit. Why the kid gloves?
Now if they flame out this year I think the pressure will be on Paul. I think you are correct on the best PG why it's always automatically him yet every time he goes up against Tony Parker he loses the game and the match up.
I don't think the Clippers will do much in the playoffs but the West is so tough. I mean so many teams like Houston, Golden State and the Clippers I can see winning the west or losing round one. Pretty crazy how much of a swing that conference has. -
Mostly because He hasn't ever had enough around Him to get to the Finals. Even this year that is the case. Griffin has improved quite a bit and there are some nice other pieces but not enough to carry them to the finals without a break out performance from someone unexpected. Unless you believe the black hole aka Jamaal Crawford will change his ways. Paul can score 35 pts if He has to. But chances are they won't win if He does. I'd argue that GS has more pieces to get further with the splash bros, Lee, Iggy, Barnes and Green. When they are rolling, they can put 40 pt quarters on ya easy.Doogles said:Maybe it's the PL_SS cocktail i'm on, but why does Chris Paul get such a pass? He's universally lauded as the best PG in the game, yet he hasn't won shit. Why the kid gloves?
The year Paul had the most around him was with the NO Hornets when they made the Conf finals. Given how loaded from top to bottom the West is this year, losing in the 2nd rd isn't exactly shameful. -
He has plenty to get in the finals. I don't know what more he could really have. He's a very good player, but also overrated. Tony Parker and Steph Curry are better.salemcoog said:
Mostly because He hasn't ever had enough around Him to get to the Finals. Even this year that is the case. Griffin has improved quite a bit and there are some nice other pieces but not enough to carry them to the finals without a break out performance from someone unexpected. Unless you believe the black hole aka Jamaal Crawford will change his ways. Paul can score 35 pts if He has to. But chances are they won't win if He does. I'd argue that GS has more pieces to get further with the splash bros, Lee, Iggy, Barnes and Green. When they are rolling, they can put 40 pt quarters on ya easy.Doogles said:Maybe it's the PL_SS cocktail i'm on, but why does Chris Paul get such a pass? He's universally lauded as the best PG in the game, yet he hasn't won shit. Why the kid gloves?
The year Paul had the most around him was with the NO Hornets when they made the Conf finals. Given how loaded from top to bottom the West is this year, losing in the 2nd rd isn't exactly shameful.
I've seen rankings with Paul as the third best player in the NBA. He's maybe borderline top 10. If Durant was on the Clippers instead of Paul, they would win 65 games and easily win the title, even with Darren Collison at PG. -
If the Blazers had Kevin Durant they would prolly win 60-65 games too.RoadDawg55 said:
He has plenty to get in the finals. I don't know what more he could really have. He's a very good player, but also overrated. Tony Parker and Steph Curry are better.salemcoog said:
Mostly because He hasn't ever had enough around Him to get to the Finals. Even this year that is the case. Griffin has improved quite a bit and there are some nice other pieces but not enough to carry them to the finals without a break out performance from someone unexpected. Unless you believe the black hole aka Jamaal Crawford will change his ways. Paul can score 35 pts if He has to. But chances are they won't win if He does. I'd argue that GS has more pieces to get further with the splash bros, Lee, Iggy, Barnes and Green. When they are rolling, they can put 40 pt quarters on ya easy.Doogles said:Maybe it's the PL_SS cocktail i'm on, but why does Chris Paul get such a pass? He's universally lauded as the best PG in the game, yet he hasn't won shit. Why the kid gloves?
The year Paul had the most around him was with the NO Hornets when they made the Conf finals. Given how loaded from top to bottom the West is this year, losing in the 2nd rd isn't exactly shameful.
I've seen rankings with Paul as the third best player in the NBA. He's maybe borderline top 10. If Durant was on the Clippers instead of Paul, they would win 65 games and easily win the title, even with Darren Collison at PG.
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In the past he deserves a pass but he doesn't this year. This is a good supporting cast and has a good coach. If they fall short he should have to wear it just like Lebron would have to if he were in the same exact spot.salemcoog said:
Mostly because He hasn't ever had enough around Him to get to the Finals. Even this year that is the case. Griffin has improved quite a bit and there are some nice other pieces but not enough to carry them to the finals without a break out performance from someone unexpected. Unless you believe the black hole aka Jamaal Crawford will change his ways. Paul can score 35 pts if He has to. But chances are they won't win if He does. I'd argue that GS has more pieces to get further with the splash bros, Lee, Iggy, Barnes and Green. When they are rolling, they can put 40 pt quarters on ya easy.Doogles said:Maybe it's the PL_SS cocktail i'm on, but why does Chris Paul get such a pass? He's universally lauded as the best PG in the game, yet he hasn't won shit. Why the kid gloves?
The year Paul had the most around him was with the NO Hornets when they made the Conf finals. Given how loaded from top to bottom the West is this year, losing in the 2nd rd isn't exactly shameful.
I don't think GS is that good to be honest. Jackson is a moron who refuses to embrace what they are and instead tries to play Bogot and Lee at the same time which is dumb.
I like the Clippers in that series but playing GS in a series is always scary. Playing streak shooting teams like them can be a nightmare at times. -
Can Kevin Durant prove he can win a title with a supporting cast of Westbrook and Ibaka(not to mention had Harden for a while) before we give him hypothetical titles on another team?RoadDawg55 said:
He has plenty to get in the finals. I don't know what more he could really have. He's a very good player, but also overrated. Tony Parker and Steph Curry are better.salemcoog said:
Mostly because He hasn't ever had enough around Him to get to the Finals. Even this year that is the case. Griffin has improved quite a bit and there are some nice other pieces but not enough to carry them to the finals without a break out performance from someone unexpected. Unless you believe the black hole aka Jamaal Crawford will change his ways. Paul can score 35 pts if He has to. But chances are they won't win if He does. I'd argue that GS has more pieces to get further with the splash bros, Lee, Iggy, Barnes and Green. When they are rolling, they can put 40 pt quarters on ya easy.Doogles said:Maybe it's the PL_SS cocktail i'm on, but why does Chris Paul get such a pass? He's universally lauded as the best PG in the game, yet he hasn't won shit. Why the kid gloves?
The year Paul had the most around him was with the NO Hornets when they made the Conf finals. Given how loaded from top to bottom the West is this year, losing in the 2nd rd isn't exactly shameful.
I've seen rankings with Paul as the third best player in the NBA. He's maybe borderline top 10. If Durant was on the Clippers instead of Paul, they would win 65 games and easily win the title, even with Darren Collison at PG.
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I think there are a coupl things going on with Paul.
Number 1 people overrate the point guard position. It's pretty much the least important position in the NBA but people always say shit like 'it's a point guard league'. The best point guards to win a championship in the last 20 years are Tony Parker, Chauncey Billups and uh Rio Chalmers.
Number 2 people confuse who Chris Paul was with who he is. He had a knee injury that took a step from him. People see the guy he is now, a more cerebral player that controls the game, and cross it with the ridiculously fast guy he was before the injury and think yeah that guys a top 3 player.
He's a top 15 player for me. Hurt a little by his position. Hurt a little by the fact that he can't just blow by anyone anymore. He still gets to his spots but it's not the same. -
Good post. Agree on the knee injury. I think Doogles is correct though. It's time to win or GTFO. I can't wait for their series against Golden State.allpurpleallgold said:I think there are a coupl things going on with Paul.
Number 1 people overrate the point guard position. It's pretty much the least important position in the NBA but people always say shit like 'it's a point guard league'. The best point guards to win a championship in the last 20 years are Tony Parker, Chauncey Billups and uh Rio Chalmers.
Number 2 people confuse who Chris Paul was with who he is. He had a knee injury that took a step from him. People see the guy he is now, a more cerebral player that controls the game, and cross it with the ridiculously fast guy he was before the injury and think yeah that guys a top 3 player.
He's a top 15 player for me. Hurt a little by his position. Hurt a little by the fact that he can't just blow by anyone anymore. He still gets to his spots but it's not the same.
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I know you're being sarkastic but OKC could play Golden State.RoadDawg55 said:
Good post. Agree on the knee injury. I think Doogles is correct though. It's time to win or GTFO. I can't wait for their series against Golden State.allpurpleallgold said:I think there are a coupl things going on with Paul.
Number 1 people overrate the point guard position. It's pretty much the least important position in the NBA but people always say shit like 'it's a point guard league'. The best point guards to win a championship in the last 20 years are Tony Parker, Chauncey Billups and uh Rio Chalmers.
Number 2 people confuse who Chris Paul was with who he is. He had a knee injury that took a step from him. People see the guy he is now, a more cerebral player that controls the game, and cross it with the ridiculously fast guy he was before the injury and think yeah that guys a top 3 player.
He's a top 15 player for me. Hurt a little by his position. Hurt a little by the fact that he can't just blow by anyone anymore. He still gets to his spots but it's not the same. -
Chris Paul has been one of the best PGs for years, possibly the best. He may finish in 2nd or 3rd in stats but at least he is there every year. I think it is hard to qualify a point guard as the best because of how different that position can be played.
Can we stop doing the whole if someone doesn't have a ring they are overrated thing? Christ it gets annoying sometimes. In 2008 he pretty much put the team on its back and almost led them to the conference finals.
If we go strictly by NBA titles recently then Mario Chalmers, Jason Kidd, and Derek Fischer would be the fucking best, and I know you guys don't agree with that bullshit.
Chris Paul is one of the best if not the best currently. Stop pressing. -
Is it too much to ask that he at least play in ONE conference finals before proclaiming him as the best? I mean Melo gets killed constantly but even he has led his team to a conference finals appearance.CuntWaffle said:Chris Paul has been one of the best PGs for years, possibly the best. He may finish in 2nd or 3rd in stats but at least he is there every year. I think it is hard to qualify a point guard as the best because of how different that position can be played.
Can we stop doing the whole if someone doesn't have a ring they are overrated thing? Christ it gets annoying sometimes. In 2008 he pretty much put the team on its back and almost led them to the conference finals.
If we go strictly by NBA titles recently then Mario Chalmers, Jason Kidd, and Derek Fischer would be the fucking best, and I know you guys don't agree with that bullshit.
Chris Paul is one of the best if not the best currently. Stop pressing. -
Overrate the importance of the PG position in general but not Chris Paul. He may not be the best but he certainly is top 3 at the very worst. I am sure if CP3 (ILTCHT) was playing with Kevin Durant he would have easily reached a conference finals, probably a NBA finals, and would have had a decent shot at winning it.He_Needs_More_Time said:
Is it too much to ask that he at least play in ONE conference finals before proclaiming him as the best? I mean Melo gets killed constantly but even he has led his team to a conference finals appearance.CuntWaffle said:Chris Paul has been one of the best PGs for years, possibly the best. He may finish in 2nd or 3rd in stats but at least he is there every year. I think it is hard to qualify a point guard as the best because of how different that position can be played.
Can we stop doing the whole if someone doesn't have a ring they are overrated thing? Christ it gets annoying sometimes. In 2008 he pretty much put the team on its back and almost led them to the conference finals.
If we go strictly by NBA titles recently then Mario Chalmers, Jason Kidd, and Derek Fischer would be the fucking best, and I know you guys don't agree with that bullshit.
Chris Paul is one of the best if not the best currently. Stop pressing.
I mean if he isn't the best or one of then who is? Westbrook is the obvious answer for a good reason. Curry? He hasn't done shit yet. Wall? Lillard? Kyrie? Conley? Bledsoe? Lawson?
You can argue Parker because of how many titles he has won over the years but besides him and Westbrook the accolades of the other PGs in the league who are considered upper tier have done jack shit.
I still think Chris Paul is the best but I do see arguments for Parker or Westbrook. To call him overrated though is pushing it. -
AgreeRoadDawg55 said:
He has plenty to get in the finals. I don't know what more he could really have. He's a very good player, but also overrated. Tony Parker and Steph Curry are better.salemcoog said:
Mostly because He hasn't ever had enough around Him to get to the Finals. Even this year that is the case. Griffin has improved quite a bit and there are some nice other pieces but not enough to carry them to the finals without a break out performance from someone unexpected. Unless you believe the black hole aka Jamaal Crawford will change his ways. Paul can score 35 pts if He has to. But chances are they won't win if He does. I'd argue that GS has more pieces to get further with the splash bros, Lee, Iggy, Barnes and Green. When they are rolling, they can put 40 pt quarters on ya easy.Doogles said:Maybe it's the PL_SS cocktail i'm on, but why does Chris Paul get such a pass? He's universally lauded as the best PG in the game, yet he hasn't won shit. Why the kid gloves?
The year Paul had the most around him was with the NO Hornets when they made the Conf finals. Given how loaded from top to bottom the West is this year, losing in the 2nd rd isn't exactly shameful.
I've seen rankings with Paul as the third best player in the NBA. He's maybe borderline top 10. If Durant was on the Clippers instead of Paul, they would win 65 games and easily win the title, even with Darren Collison at PG.
He's a "combo" gd, which is just a euphemism for ball hog. I don't think I'd put them in my top 15 ( not that I've watched a complete game lately, I do watch a medium amount of playoff games).
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Chris Paul is a great player ... I don't get the hate for him at this point. His career has been mostly been filled with playing on shit teams. The last two years you could argue that the Clippers have flamed out of the playoffs due to questionable depth and poor coaching. This is by far the deepest team that they've had and the best coach by far.
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It's not having no ring. I always thought Dirk was great, even before his ring. Same with Nash when he was with Phoenix. My problem with Paul is he gets mentioned right after LeBron and Durant.CuntWaffle said:Chris Paul has been one of the best PGs for years, possibly the best. He may finish in 2nd or 3rd in stats but at least he is there every year. I think it is hard to qualify a point guard as the best because of how different that position can be played.
Can we stop doing the whole if someone doesn't have a ring they are overrated thing? Christ it gets annoying sometimes. In 2008 he pretty much put the team on its back and almost led them to the conference finals.
If we go strictly by NBA titles recently then Mario Chalmers, Jason Kidd, and Derek Fischer would be the fucking best, and I know you guys don't agree with that bullshit.
Chris Paul is one of the best if not the best currently. Stop pressing.
I've seen Mike Conley play him to a standstill, if not outplay him. I've seen Tony Parker do whatever he wants against him. There are 3 or 4 PG's as good or better than him, yet he frequently gets mentioned as the best. Nobody is saying he sucks. -
You do realize that they are playing OKC in round two if they get by Golden State right? You would be surprised if OKC beats the Clippers?Tequilla said:Chris Paul is a great player ... I don't get the hate for him at this point. His career has been mostly been filled with playing on shit teams. The last two years you could argue that the Clippers have flamed out of the playoffs due to questionable depth and poor coaching. This is by far the deepest team that they've had and the best coach by far.
I'd be surprised if they weren't playing the Spurs in the West Finals.
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Sorry there are not 3 or 4 PGs better than Paul. I can get on board with the argument about people mentioning him being right behind Lebron and KD, but to say there are 3 or 4 better than him is ridiculous. So you saw Mike Conley play him to a stand still once, great. Conley may have done it a couple times along with other Point Guards, it's going to happen with the talent the NBA has. Conley is also known as one of the best defensive PGs along with Rondo and Paul (and probably another by now).\RoadDawg55 said:
It's not having no ring. I always thought Dirk was great, even before his ring. Same with Nash when he was with Phoenix. My problem with Paul is he gets mentioned right after LeBron and Durant.CuntWaffle said:Chris Paul has been one of the best PGs for years, possibly the best. He may finish in 2nd or 3rd in stats but at least he is there every year. I think it is hard to qualify a point guard as the best because of how different that position can be played.
Can we stop doing the whole if someone doesn't have a ring they are overrated thing? Christ it gets annoying sometimes. In 2008 he pretty much put the team on its back and almost led them to the conference finals.
If we go strictly by NBA titles recently then Mario Chalmers, Jason Kidd, and Derek Fischer would be the fucking best, and I know you guys don't agree with that bullshit.
Chris Paul is one of the best if not the best currently. Stop pressing.
I've seen Mike Conley play him to a standstill, if not outplay him. I've seen Tony Parker do whatever he wants against him. There are 3 or 4 PG's as good or better than him, yet he frequently gets mentioned as the best. Nobody is saying he sucks.
Lets look at the Clippers before Chris Paul showed up:
2008-09: 19-63
2009-10: 29-53
2010-11: 32-50
AFTER Chris Paul
40-26
56-26
57-25
Accolades:
7× NBA All-Star (2008–2014)
NBA All-Star Game MVP (2013)
3× All-NBA First Team (2008, 2012–2013)
All-NBA Second Team (2009)
All-NBA Third Team (2011)
3× NBA All-Defensive First Team (2009, 2012–2013)
2× NBA All-Defensive Second Team (2008, 2011)
NBA Rookie of the Year (2006)
All-Rookie First Team (2006)
3× NBA assists leader (2008–2009, 2014)
6× NBA steals leader (2008–2009, 2011–2014)
There is no evidence besides you seeing Conley and Parker play better than him on a certain night. I saw Sark beat Stanford the year they won the Rose Bowl, doesn't mean he is a good coach.
On the topic of Parker making Paul look foolish do you not remember the 2007-08 playoffs where Paul made pretty much everyone including Parker look like morons?
APAG beat me to the punch, it is the PG position that is overrated in general but CP3 as a Point Guard is not overrated whatsoever (He will most likely make the Hall of Fame). -
Edit: fucked upRoadDawg55 said:
You do realize that they are playing OKC in round two if they get by Golden State right? You would be surprised if OKC beats the Clippers?Tequilla said:Chris Paul is a great player ... I don't get the hate for him at this point. His career has been mostly been filled with playing on shit teams. The last two years you could argue that the Clippers have flamed out of the playoffs due to questionable depth and poor coaching. This is by far the deepest team that they've had and the best coach by far.
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Dallas is playing San Antonio. Memphis is playing OKC and it should be a pretty good series. Dallas is decent, but they don't have the depth or defense to stop San Antonio. I bet that one is over in 5.CuntWaffle said:
That would be a great series, they went 2-2 this year H2H. Don't count out Dallas either, they are actually a pretty decent team. I expect OKC to win in 6 but would I be shocked if Dallas won in 7? No.RoadDawg55 said:
You do realize that they are playing OKC in round two if they get by Golden State right? You would be surprised if OKC beats the Clippers?Tequilla said:Chris Paul is a great player ... I don't get the hate for him at this point. His career has been mostly been filled with playing on shit teams. The last two years you could argue that the Clippers have flamed out of the playoffs due to questionable depth and poor coaching. This is by far the deepest team that they've had and the best coach by far.
I'd be surprised if they weren't playing the Spurs in the West Finals.
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Cuntwaffle, 07-08 isn't now. It was a long time ago. And while Paul was great, that team was pretty good. David West and Tyson Chandler for the bigs, and Peja Stojakovic at the 3. It fell off after that, but that's a damn good nucleus. They also lost in the 2nd round to San Antonio.
Too much is being made over if Paul is overrated. Everyone knows he's really good and has had a good career. Great players win in the playoffs though. That's how they are judged. He hasn't done that. Tony Parker and Steph Curry are better right now. Westbrook probably is too. I think there are a couple more guys that are in the ballpark, but don't have the reputation or hype at this point.
Mike Conley outplayed him for a whole series. It wasn't one game, like Sark beating Stanford. Paul gets a lot of love because he plays like a classic PG, but in terms of impact, his hype doesn't match his actual value. If you are a great PG, you can lead a team with Blake Griffin, DeAndre Jordan, and a bunch of good role players (Reddick, Crawford, Barnes, Collison, Dudley). It's a really deep team that played well without Paul this year. There's no Vinny Del Negro excuse anymore. He deserves the backlash if he loses in the first round, even if GS is a good team. -
Ok fine it isn't now, but you are going to take 1 series he played the apply it to him as a whole? Conley and the Grizzlies were playing out of their minds until they ran into San Antonio. David West/Tyson Chandler is still not the same as having the luxury as playing with the LEAGUE MVP or one of the greatest if not THE greatest Power Forwards of all time.RoadDawg55 said:Cuntwaffle, 07-08 isn't now. It was a long time ago. And while Paul was great, that team was pretty good. David West and Tyson Chandler for the bigs, and Peja Stojakovic at the 3. It fell off after that, but that's a damn good nucleus. They also lost in the 2nd round to San Antonio.
Too much is being made over if Paul is overrated. Everyone knows he's really good and has had a good career. Great players win in the playoffs though. That's how they are judged. He hasn't done that. Tony Parker and Steph Curry are better right now. Westbrook probably is too. I think there are a couple more guys that are in the ballpark, but don't have the reputation or hype at this point.
Mike Conley outplayed him for a whole series. It wasn't one game, like Sark beating Stanford. Paul gets a lot of love because he plays like a classic PG, but in terms of impact, his hype doesn't match his actual value. If you are a great PG, you can lead a team with Blake Griffin, DeAndre Jordan, and a bunch of good role players (Reddick, Crawford, Barnes, Collison, Dudley). It's a really deep team that played well without Paul this year. There's no Vinny Del Negro excuse anymore. He deserves the backlash if he loses in the first round, even if GS is a good team.
You are going to say that players are judged by playoff wins and then bring up Curry? LOL you realize Curry hasn't won jack shit at this point either right? How are you measuring Curry is better? He is a better scorer but his defense doesn't even come close to CP3.
Do you even really watch the NBA? You know how many people would laugh if you told them Curry/Conley overall are better than the player who lead the league in Assists AND Steals this year (along with a better record)? Curry has a great core too with Bogut (now out)/Lee/Thompson.
We may have to switch the convo to about how Cliff Paul is an overrated State Farm agent (agree with that 100%). There are not 3 better or equal Point Guards to CP3. Ask CollegeDoog since he is probably dialed in with NBA as well, even he would think this is a joke.
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Where did you get that I said Conley is better? I said he outplayed him in a series. Clippers have a way better supporting cast with Blake Griffin alone than the Warriors. Right now, Curry is better, just like how Paul was better than Steve Nash in 2007-2008. I doubt the Warriors would have a better record if you swapped Paul for Curry. We're not talking about their careers, I'm saying right now.CuntWaffle said:
Ok fine it isn't now, but you are going to take 1 series he played the apply it to him as a whole? Conley and the Grizzlies were playing out of their minds until they ran into San Antonio. David West/Tyson Chandler is still not the same as having the luxury as playing with the LEAGUE MVP or one of the greatest if not THE greatest Power Forwards of all time.RoadDawg55 said:Cuntwaffle, 07-08 isn't now. It was a long time ago. And while Paul was great, that team was pretty good. David West and Tyson Chandler for the bigs, and Peja Stojakovic at the 3. It fell off after that, but that's a damn good nucleus. They also lost in the 2nd round to San Antonio.
Too much is being made over if Paul is overrated. Everyone knows he's really good and has had a good career. Great players win in the playoffs though. That's how they are judged. He hasn't done that. Tony Parker and Steph Curry are better right now. Westbrook probably is too. I think there are a couple more guys that are in the ballpark, but don't have the reputation or hype at this point.
Mike Conley outplayed him for a whole series. It wasn't one game, like Sark beating Stanford. Paul gets a lot of love because he plays like a classic PG, but in terms of impact, his hype doesn't match his actual value. If you are a great PG, you can lead a team with Blake Griffin, DeAndre Jordan, and a bunch of good role players (Reddick, Crawford, Barnes, Collison, Dudley). It's a really deep team that played well without Paul this year. There's no Vinny Del Negro excuse anymore. He deserves the backlash if he loses in the first round, even if GS is a good team.
You are going to say that players are judged by playoff wins and then bring up Curry? LOL you realize Curry hasn't won jack shit at this point either right? How are you measuring Curry is better? He is a better scorer but his defense doesn't even come close to CP3.
Do you even really watch the NBA? You know how many people would laugh if you told them Curry/Conley overall are better than the player who lead the league in Assists AND Steals this year (along with a better record)? Curry has a great core too with Bogut (now out)/Lee/Thompson.
We may have to switch the convo to about how Cliff Paul is an overrated State Farm agent (agree with that 100%). There are not 3 better or equal Point Guards to CP3. Ask CollegeDoog since he is probably dialed in with NBA as well, even he would think this is a joke.
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Ok lets look at this playoff series where CP3 got "outplayed" by Conley since I thought I remembered it differently but I gave you the benefit of the doubt.
FG%/PPG/Assist to Turnover ratio/Steals (good measures for a point guard.
Conley: 41% (29-71)/17.3/5.0/1.2
Paul: 53% (49-92)/22.8/4.2/1.8
Is this really outplayed now? Chris Paul had 1 game where he was AWFUL (Game 3 where he had 8 points, 4 assists, and 5 turnovers). Besides that one game, there isn't any other one where Chris Paul got dominated, in fact, Chris Paul was better in 3/6 while and one of the games was close enough to be a split.
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You still haven't answered how Curry is better? I agree CP3's nucleus is better but Bogut/Lee/Thompson isn't exponentially worse than Jordan/Griffin/Reddick.RoadDawg55 said:
Where did you get that I said Conley is better? I said he outplayed him in a series. Clippers have a way better supporting cast with Blake Griffin alone than the Warriors. Right now, Curry is better, just like how Paul was better than Steve Nash in 2007-2008. I doubt the Warriors would have a better record if you swapped Paul for Curry. We're not talking about their careers, I'm saying right now.CuntWaffle said:
Ok fine it isn't now, but you are going to take 1 series he played the apply it to him as a whole? Conley and the Grizzlies were playing out of their minds until they ran into San Antonio. David West/Tyson Chandler is still not the same as having the luxury as playing with the LEAGUE MVP or one of the greatest if not THE greatest Power Forwards of all time.RoadDawg55 said:Cuntwaffle, 07-08 isn't now. It was a long time ago. And while Paul was great, that team was pretty good. David West and Tyson Chandler for the bigs, and Peja Stojakovic at the 3. It fell off after that, but that's a damn good nucleus. They also lost in the 2nd round to San Antonio.
Too much is being made over if Paul is overrated. Everyone knows he's really good and has had a good career. Great players win in the playoffs though. That's how they are judged. He hasn't done that. Tony Parker and Steph Curry are better right now. Westbrook probably is too. I think there are a couple more guys that are in the ballpark, but don't have the reputation or hype at this point.
Mike Conley outplayed him for a whole series. It wasn't one game, like Sark beating Stanford. Paul gets a lot of love because he plays like a classic PG, but in terms of impact, his hype doesn't match his actual value. If you are a great PG, you can lead a team with Blake Griffin, DeAndre Jordan, and a bunch of good role players (Reddick, Crawford, Barnes, Collison, Dudley). It's a really deep team that played well without Paul this year. There's no Vinny Del Negro excuse anymore. He deserves the backlash if he loses in the first round, even if GS is a good team.
You are going to say that players are judged by playoff wins and then bring up Curry? LOL you realize Curry hasn't won jack shit at this point either right? How are you measuring Curry is better? He is a better scorer but his defense doesn't even come close to CP3.
Do you even really watch the NBA? You know how many people would laugh if you told them Curry/Conley overall are better than the player who lead the league in Assists AND Steals this year (along with a better record)? Curry has a great core too with Bogut (now out)/Lee/Thompson.
We may have to switch the convo to about how Cliff Paul is an overrated State Farm agent (agree with that 100%). There are not 3 better or equal Point Guards to CP3. Ask CollegeDoog since he is probably dialed in with NBA as well, even he would think this is a joke.
Curry is a betting scoring Point Guard because he is a high volume shooter. % wise do you know how much Curry was better than Paul this year? .5% (46.6% to 47.1%)
Assist/TO ratio do you know how much Paul was better than Curry? 2.4 (Curry - 2.2 Paul - 4.6)
Rebounds was a tie at 4.3. Steals Paul wins 2.5 to 1.6.
The stats all support Paul.
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