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I get it and agree, but my point has nothing to do with that.SFGbob said:
Because I read an article on redlining in Oakland a couple weeks back and it was arguing the point that redlining was responsible for the fact that homes in black neighborhoods today are worth less than other neighborhoods. Woman was accusing the banks of racism because her home was being appraised at less than she thought it was worth and she and the activists that were supporting her were all blaming redlining.MikeDamone said:
Why do you keep arguing points that no one is making or questioning?SFGbob said:
The point is we could do something about depressed home values now. We can't do anything about depressed home values in the 1950s. Redlining is used as an excuse to explain depressed home values today. It's bullshit.MikeDamone said:
And I never said anything about now. That isn’t relevant to my point.SFGbob said:
I got your point. Redlining had a negative impact on home values and thus hurt the ability of blacks to achieve greater wealth accumulation. But that's not what's holding down home values now.MikeDamone said:
I don’t know. But I think you missed my point.SFGbob said:
Which do you believe has a greater negative impact on the home values in certain neighborhoods today? Crime and violence or redlining? Today even good neighborhoods here in California have shitty public schools.MikeDamone said:
Correct, but it did affect wealth accumulation and there are people today who could not buy a traditional house in good neighborhoods with decent schools in the 50s who would be much wealthier today (and their families would be as well) if they owned a home in the 50s in the suburbs. This applies to anyone of any race.SFGbob said:
Agreed, redlining devalued property in black neighborhoods but that hasn't been the case since the late 1960s and isn't responsible today for lower values in certain neighborhoods. There are plenty of neighborhoods in parts of Oakland and Berkeley that have benefited greatly from gentrification.MikeDamone said:
Obviously there was redlining happened and ended over 50 years ago. And obviously that has hurt accumulation of wealth. But what good does it fucking do to continually beat the victim drum? If the left had an ounce of honestly and decency they would be all over school choice and championing stable two parent families (and TKS, I said two parent, not necessarily married). But school choice and families threaten their power base. The left in now way want to or is interested in “ending racism”. There are billions to be made in victim politics and fostering dependency. It’s really sick and twisted. The TKS has been indoctrinated to believe he is moral and virtuous.SFGbob said:
Have you seen the recent housing Ad the NFL is running? White racism causes banks to foreclose on black people's homes and to undervalue their property. And black people can be arrested just for looking at the wrong house.MikeDamone said:I’m also laughing at the NFL with their “End Racism” shit in the end zones and on helmets. Oh ,ok, I was going to be a racist on a Sunday afternoon but then I was reminded to End Racism on a football helmet.
If these assholes had any balls they would promote ending domestic violence, DUI and gun violence. You know, something that they can actually make a difference that actually affects people associated with NFL players. But like I said, they would do it if they had balls, which they don’t.
https://databases.usatoday.com/nfl-arrests/
However I read or saw a tv story about a black family who had an appraisal. I think they were either home or had their pictures up. The appraisal came I. About $100k less than what they had as a ballpark number. They had another on done and took down any trace that it was owned by a black family. That appraisal came back at what they expected. Was it racism? A racist appraiser? An incompetent appraiser? Was the 2nd appraiser wrong? I don't know. But the default position is there is no other explanation than racism.
I do personally know white people who had an appraisal come in lower than they needed, and then got a 2nd appraisal that they where happy with. -
We agree with your point. But the current point is that it is 2022 and redlining is not an issue. You can buy a house for practically nothing in inner city Detroit and redlining has nothing to do with that.MikeDamone said:
I get it and agree, but my point has nothing to do with that.SFGbob said:
Because I read an article on redlining in Oakland a couple weeks back and it was arguing the point that redlining was responsible for the fact that homes in black neighborhoods today are worth less than other neighborhoods. Woman was accusing the banks of racism because her home was being appraised at less than she thought it was worth and she and the activists that were supporting her were all blaming redlining.MikeDamone said:
Why do you keep arguing points that no one is making or questioning?SFGbob said:
The point is we could do something about depressed home values now. We can't do anything about depressed home values in the 1950s. Redlining is used as an excuse to explain depressed home values today. It's bullshit.MikeDamone said:
And I never said anything about now. That isn’t relevant to my point.SFGbob said:
I got your point. Redlining had a negative impact on home values and thus hurt the ability of blacks to achieve greater wealth accumulation. But that's not what's holding down home values now.MikeDamone said:
I don’t know. But I think you missed my point.SFGbob said:
Which do you believe has a greater negative impact on the home values in certain neighborhoods today? Crime and violence or redlining? Today even good neighborhoods here in California have shitty public schools.MikeDamone said:
Correct, but it did affect wealth accumulation and there are people today who could not buy a traditional house in good neighborhoods with decent schools in the 50s who would be much wealthier today (and their families would be as well) if they owned a home in the 50s in the suburbs. This applies to anyone of any race.SFGbob said:
Agreed, redlining devalued property in black neighborhoods but that hasn't been the case since the late 1960s and isn't responsible today for lower values in certain neighborhoods. There are plenty of neighborhoods in parts of Oakland and Berkeley that have benefited greatly from gentrification.MikeDamone said:
Obviously there was redlining happened and ended over 50 years ago. And obviously that has hurt accumulation of wealth. But what good does it fucking do to continually beat the victim drum? If the left had an ounce of honestly and decency they would be all over school choice and championing stable two parent families (and TKS, I said two parent, not necessarily married). But school choice and families threaten their power base. The left in now way want to or is interested in “ending racism”. There are billions to be made in victim politics and fostering dependency. It’s really sick and twisted. The TKS has been indoctrinated to believe he is moral and virtuous.SFGbob said:
Have you seen the recent housing Ad the NFL is running? White racism causes banks to foreclose on black people's homes and to undervalue their property. And black people can be arrested just for looking at the wrong house.MikeDamone said:I’m also laughing at the NFL with their “End Racism” shit in the end zones and on helmets. Oh ,ok, I was going to be a racist on a Sunday afternoon but then I was reminded to End Racism on a football helmet.
If these assholes had any balls they would promote ending domestic violence, DUI and gun violence. You know, something that they can actually make a difference that actually affects people associated with NFL players. But like I said, they would do it if they had balls, which they don’t.
https://databases.usatoday.com/nfl-arrests/ -
As someone who sells RE and deals with appraisers frequently, what I remember about this story is thinking "this doesn't pass the smell test."MikeDamone said:
I get it and agree, but my point has nothing to do with that.SFGbob said:
Because I read an article on redlining in Oakland a couple weeks back and it was arguing the point that redlining was responsible for the fact that homes in black neighborhoods today are worth less than other neighborhoods. Woman was accusing the banks of racism because her home was being appraised at less than she thought it was worth and she and the activists that were supporting her were all blaming redlining.MikeDamone said:
Why do you keep arguing points that no one is making or questioning?SFGbob said:
The point is we could do something about depressed home values now. We can't do anything about depressed home values in the 1950s. Redlining is used as an excuse to explain depressed home values today. It's bullshit.MikeDamone said:
And I never said anything about now. That isn’t relevant to my point.SFGbob said:
I got your point. Redlining had a negative impact on home values and thus hurt the ability of blacks to achieve greater wealth accumulation. But that's not what's holding down home values now.MikeDamone said:
I don’t know. But I think you missed my point.SFGbob said:
Which do you believe has a greater negative impact on the home values in certain neighborhoods today? Crime and violence or redlining? Today even good neighborhoods here in California have shitty public schools.MikeDamone said:
Correct, but it did affect wealth accumulation and there are people today who could not buy a traditional house in good neighborhoods with decent schools in the 50s who would be much wealthier today (and their families would be as well) if they owned a home in the 50s in the suburbs. This applies to anyone of any race.SFGbob said:
Agreed, redlining devalued property in black neighborhoods but that hasn't been the case since the late 1960s and isn't responsible today for lower values in certain neighborhoods. There are plenty of neighborhoods in parts of Oakland and Berkeley that have benefited greatly from gentrification.MikeDamone said:
Obviously there was redlining happened and ended over 50 years ago. And obviously that has hurt accumulation of wealth. But what good does it fucking do to continually beat the victim drum? If the left had an ounce of honestly and decency they would be all over school choice and championing stable two parent families (and TKS, I said two parent, not necessarily married). But school choice and families threaten their power base. The left in now way want to or is interested in “ending racism”. There are billions to be made in victim politics and fostering dependency. It’s really sick and twisted. The TKS has been indoctrinated to believe he is moral and virtuous.SFGbob said:
Have you seen the recent housing Ad the NFL is running? White racism causes banks to foreclose on black people's homes and to undervalue their property. And black people can be arrested just for looking at the wrong house.MikeDamone said:I’m also laughing at the NFL with their “End Racism” shit in the end zones and on helmets. Oh ,ok, I was going to be a racist on a Sunday afternoon but then I was reminded to End Racism on a football helmet.
If these assholes had any balls they would promote ending domestic violence, DUI and gun violence. You know, something that they can actually make a difference that actually affects people associated with NFL players. But like I said, they would do it if they had balls, which they don’t.
https://databases.usatoday.com/nfl-arrests/
However I read or saw a tv story about a black family who had an appraisal. I think they were either home or had their pictures up. The appraisal came I. About $100k less than what they had as a ballpark number. They had another on done and took down any trace that it was owned by a black family. That appraisal came back at what they expected. Was it racism? A racist appraiser? An incompetent appraiser? Was the 2nd appraiser wrong? I don't know. But the default position is there is no other explanation than racism.
I do personally know white people who had an appraisal come in lower than they needed, and then got a 2nd appraisal that they where happy with.
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We've gone from 08 where minorities were forced at gunpoint to buy bad mortgages and appraisers named whatever number you wanted back to minorities can't get a mortgage and appraisers are mean
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You don’t say.WestlinnDuck said:
We agree with your point. But the current point is that it is 2022 and redlining is not an issue. You can buy a house for practically nothing in inner city Detroit and redlining has nothing to do with that.MikeDamone said:
I get it and agree, but my point has nothing to do with that.SFGbob said:
Because I read an article on redlining in Oakland a couple weeks back and it was arguing the point that redlining was responsible for the fact that homes in black neighborhoods today are worth less than other neighborhoods. Woman was accusing the banks of racism because her home was being appraised at less than she thought it was worth and she and the activists that were supporting her were all blaming redlining.MikeDamone said:
Why do you keep arguing points that no one is making or questioning?SFGbob said:
The point is we could do something about depressed home values now. We can't do anything about depressed home values in the 1950s. Redlining is used as an excuse to explain depressed home values today. It's bullshit.MikeDamone said:
And I never said anything about now. That isn’t relevant to my point.SFGbob said:
I got your point. Redlining had a negative impact on home values and thus hurt the ability of blacks to achieve greater wealth accumulation. But that's not what's holding down home values now.MikeDamone said:
I don’t know. But I think you missed my point.SFGbob said:
Which do you believe has a greater negative impact on the home values in certain neighborhoods today? Crime and violence or redlining? Today even good neighborhoods here in California have shitty public schools.MikeDamone said:
Correct, but it did affect wealth accumulation and there are people today who could not buy a traditional house in good neighborhoods with decent schools in the 50s who would be much wealthier today (and their families would be as well) if they owned a home in the 50s in the suburbs. This applies to anyone of any race.SFGbob said:
Agreed, redlining devalued property in black neighborhoods but that hasn't been the case since the late 1960s and isn't responsible today for lower values in certain neighborhoods. There are plenty of neighborhoods in parts of Oakland and Berkeley that have benefited greatly from gentrification.MikeDamone said:
Obviously there was redlining happened and ended over 50 years ago. And obviously that has hurt accumulation of wealth. But what good does it fucking do to continually beat the victim drum? If the left had an ounce of honestly and decency they would be all over school choice and championing stable two parent families (and TKS, I said two parent, not necessarily married). But school choice and families threaten their power base. The left in now way want to or is interested in “ending racism”. There are billions to be made in victim politics and fostering dependency. It’s really sick and twisted. The TKS has been indoctrinated to believe he is moral and virtuous.SFGbob said:
Have you seen the recent housing Ad the NFL is running? White racism causes banks to foreclose on black people's homes and to undervalue their property. And black people can be arrested just for looking at the wrong house.MikeDamone said:I’m also laughing at the NFL with their “End Racism” shit in the end zones and on helmets. Oh ,ok, I was going to be a racist on a Sunday afternoon but then I was reminded to End Racism on a football helmet.
If these assholes had any balls they would promote ending domestic violence, DUI and gun violence. You know, something that they can actually make a difference that actually affects people associated with NFL players. But like I said, they would do it if they had balls, which they don’t.
https://databases.usatoday.com/nfl-arrests/ -
Most stories about someone in the business end of racism don’t pass the smell test.pawz said:
As someone who sells RE and deals with appraisers frequently, what I remember about this story is thinking "this doesn't pass the smell test."MikeDamone said:
I get it and agree, but my point has nothing to do with that.SFGbob said:
Because I read an article on redlining in Oakland a couple weeks back and it was arguing the point that redlining was responsible for the fact that homes in black neighborhoods today are worth less than other neighborhoods. Woman was accusing the banks of racism because her home was being appraised at less than she thought it was worth and she and the activists that were supporting her were all blaming redlining.MikeDamone said:
Why do you keep arguing points that no one is making or questioning?SFGbob said:
The point is we could do something about depressed home values now. We can't do anything about depressed home values in the 1950s. Redlining is used as an excuse to explain depressed home values today. It's bullshit.MikeDamone said:
And I never said anything about now. That isn’t relevant to my point.SFGbob said:
I got your point. Redlining had a negative impact on home values and thus hurt the ability of blacks to achieve greater wealth accumulation. But that's not what's holding down home values now.MikeDamone said:
I don’t know. But I think you missed my point.SFGbob said:
Which do you believe has a greater negative impact on the home values in certain neighborhoods today? Crime and violence or redlining? Today even good neighborhoods here in California have shitty public schools.MikeDamone said:
Correct, but it did affect wealth accumulation and there are people today who could not buy a traditional house in good neighborhoods with decent schools in the 50s who would be much wealthier today (and their families would be as well) if they owned a home in the 50s in the suburbs. This applies to anyone of any race.SFGbob said:
Agreed, redlining devalued property in black neighborhoods but that hasn't been the case since the late 1960s and isn't responsible today for lower values in certain neighborhoods. There are plenty of neighborhoods in parts of Oakland and Berkeley that have benefited greatly from gentrification.MikeDamone said:
Obviously there was redlining happened and ended over 50 years ago. And obviously that has hurt accumulation of wealth. But what good does it fucking do to continually beat the victim drum? If the left had an ounce of honestly and decency they would be all over school choice and championing stable two parent families (and TKS, I said two parent, not necessarily married). But school choice and families threaten their power base. The left in now way want to or is interested in “ending racism”. There are billions to be made in victim politics and fostering dependency. It’s really sick and twisted. The TKS has been indoctrinated to believe he is moral and virtuous.SFGbob said:
Have you seen the recent housing Ad the NFL is running? White racism causes banks to foreclose on black people's homes and to undervalue their property. And black people can be arrested just for looking at the wrong house.MikeDamone said:I’m also laughing at the NFL with their “End Racism” shit in the end zones and on helmets. Oh ,ok, I was going to be a racist on a Sunday afternoon but then I was reminded to End Racism on a football helmet.
If these assholes had any balls they would promote ending domestic violence, DUI and gun violence. You know, something that they can actually make a difference that actually affects people associated with NFL players. But like I said, they would do it if they had balls, which they don’t.
https://databases.usatoday.com/nfl-arrests/
However I read or saw a tv story about a black family who had an appraisal. I think they were either home or had their pictures up. The appraisal came I. About $100k less than what they had as a ballpark number. They had another on done and took down any trace that it was owned by a black family. That appraisal came back at what they expected. Was it racism? A racist appraiser? An incompetent appraiser? Was the 2nd appraiser wrong? I don't know. But the default position is there is no other explanation than racism.
I do personally know white people who had an appraisal come in lower than they needed, and then got a 2nd appraisal that they where happy with. -
Didn't they make Condi Rice a memeber to assuage the concerns at that time?Bob_C said:
They tried that already. Don’t cave and it goes away, like with anything.PurpleThrobber said:How long before The Masters is deemed systemic racism?
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They have a few female members now. Condy and the CEO of IBM I know for sure.RoadTrip said:
Didn't they make Condi Rice a memeber to assuage the concerns at that time?Bob_C said:
They tried that already. Don’t cave and it goes away, like with anything.PurpleThrobber said:How long before The Masters is deemed systemic racism?
I was talking about the name itself being under attack in the last year or two. Georgia Jim Crow 2.0 happened right before the 2021 masters with MLB commissioner being a member there.
They have a few female members, including Condy and the CEO of IBM. -
Lee Elder was the first Black player in 1975. The Masters changed from an invitational to having rules like every winner of a tournament the previous year gets in. They thought that would avoid discrimination by not making it a choice. Then Elder won a PGA Tour event.
They had Martha Burke protest about women. There was a legendary counter protestor with a Make Me a Sandwich sign. When CBS got wobbly the Masters said fine, no commercials this year.
And as Bob pointed out - they ignored the boycott Georgia because voting law bullshit that baseball fell for. And then had the World Series in Atlanta
Just ignore the idiots - a simple lesson that corporate America is too stupid to get -
The irony is today I can think of dozens of professional women groups and not one male professional group. The glass ceiling is pretty much gone. My former employer had a woman CFO and the group CEO was a woman. The group has over $21 billion in revenue. As for golf, if a female golfer could qualify, they can play on the PGA Tour. Real men (not female trannies) can't play on the LPGA Tour.
