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You already are a 50 year old fat KarenJoeEDangerously said:
Confirmed New Years resolution for Fudgie was turning into a 50 year old fat Karenbackthepack said:
Me. I hate white coaches even more than him.GreenRiverGatorz said:
Is there a fan more racist than SubK?bananasnblondes said:
Just in case anyone was wondering, this guy is taking the coaching change in a very calm and reasoned manner -
Welcome to the club thenbackthepack said:
You already are a 50 year old fat KarenJoeEDangerously said:
Confirmed New Years resolution for Fudgie was turning into a 50 year old fat Karenbackthepack said:
Me. I hate white coaches even more than him.GreenRiverGatorz said:
Is there a fan more racist than SubK?bananasnblondes said:
Just in case anyone was wondering, this guy is taking the coaching change in a very calm and reasoned manner -
If we’re bashing 50 year fat Karens, I’m out!backthepack said:
You already are a 50 year old fat KarenJoeEDangerously said:
Confirmed New Years resolution for Fudgie was turning into a 50 year old fat Karenbackthepack said:
Me. I hate white coaches even more than him.GreenRiverGatorz said:
Is there a fan more racist than SubK?bananasnblondes said:
Just in case anyone was wondering, this guy is taking the coaching change in a very calm and reasoned manner -
Give me 28 yearsJoeEDangerously said:
Welcome to the club thenbackthepack said:
You already are a 50 year old fat KarenJoeEDangerously said:
Confirmed New Years resolution for Fudgie was turning into a 50 year old fat Karenbackthepack said:
Me. I hate white coaches even more than him.GreenRiverGatorz said:
Is there a fan more racist than SubK?bananasnblondes said:
Just in case anyone was wondering, this guy is taking the coaching change in a very calm and reasoned manner -
I’ve noticed socially that my friends and myself that went to college are much more able to fit in with any type of person better than my friends that stayed home and worked. It does help immensely to get out of your comfort level and have to make new friends.
@RoadDawg55 that's a fair point. The intangible value of socialization and particularly in new environments helps, particularly jobs that require more people-person skills. I guess I take that somewhat for granted and the intellectual curiosity that I furthered during college that permits me to be a more well-rounded citizen and human. Plus, it makes me more chinteresting at cocktail parties! -
Btw, have we hired Brian Hartline away from Ohio State yet?
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Make him the OC, let the MWC dorks take a step back, pay him 2mm.HFNY said:Btw, have we hired Brian Hartline away from Ohio State yet?
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If we're banging 50 year fat Karen's, I'm in!CFetters_Nacho_Lover said:
If we’re bashing 50 year fat Karens, I’m out!backthepack said:
You already are a 50 year old fat KarenJoeEDangerously said:
Confirmed New Years resolution for Fudgie was turning into a 50 year old fat Karenbackthepack said:
Me. I hate white coaches even more than him.GreenRiverGatorz said:
Is there a fan more racist than SubK?bananasnblondes said:
Just in case anyone was wondering, this guy is taking the coaching change in a very calm and reasoned manner -
HoustonHusky said:
Not sure how everyone gets an A…here is your safe space…mom, dad, and the govt foot the bill for you to eat, drink, and be merry without putting any real work in…just sign some papers and somebody will pay it back later…is anything like the real world, although some think they can print their way into changing the world into that…but that’s a topic for the tug.RatherBeBrewing said:
I think most of us enjoyed the middle-class mating, but let’s not bash the lower-class banging that direct-to-workforce teens partake in.Kingdome_Urinals said:
College is also preferable for middle-class mating.creepycoug said:
I have come around to agreeing with this view, overcoming a huge emotional bias on my part in the process. But at today's prices it's hard to justify for at least 50% of the college-attending population.UW_Doog_Bot said:
*sighRatherBeBrewing said:
1. Your observational data aligns with teachers telling kids to learn how to add fractions or they’ll end up as plumbers digging in toilets - but fail to mention that the plumbers make twice as much money as them. However the data I’m referring to is new and shows that based on earnings just two years after graduation 76% of BA/BS degree holders are earning enough to where ten years after graduation they should have recouped their investment.dtd said:
1. Just not true, not today. Using averages from 2 decades ago when people made money writing for newspapers makes no sense. The cash me ousside girl made a million in a weekend showing her meth boobs. Trade schools make way more sense for the vast majority of people.RatherBeBrewing said:I see all these new posts about Junior Adams and I’m relieved to see that it’s just hot talk on the value of a college degree.
Oh no - wait... Oregon hired him? Well. Fuck. Why would we(?) want him(?)
My two thoughts:
1. A college degree is definitely worth it. Even if we forego all the non-tangible benefits of college and just use the raw averages readily available - with the hypothetical $100k of debt, it’s worth it. Unless you plan on living under ~12 years after graduation. Save your outlier examples, we do averages like civilized people.
2. Some of Lanning’s hires don’t make sense. But after Scott Frost all of Oregon’s WR coaches have been shitty, he’s the sixth one since 2016, so it might not matter. If he’s shitty like the rest have been at least its another notch on Oregon’s dicking-of-other-Pac-12-schools belt and a step up from hiring away Leach’s assistants.
2. Memphis of the West
This doesn’t take into account the higher employment rates, health insurance rates, and the rates of not being in poverty. The study is from 2020/21 and didn’t take the rocketing inflation into consideration.
The 24% of those who don’t recoup in ten years should still come out ahead in the long run and the numbers are skewed by more expensive private and for profit institutions. The obvious majors are the ones with poor return: religious studies, anthropology, film, etc.
It’s still true, maybe not as obvious as in the past, but go to a state school and get a degree that isn’t 100% fluff and you’re going to be better off than most people without one.
2. I wish, Memphis had some monster offensive numbers. This feels more like an amalgamation of a watered down, poor man’s Saban/Kirby recruiting wins system, with a strong Jim Mora flavor Jr and Todd Graham aftertaste.
Re: data
Yes, let's normalize our inherently non-normal data for kurtosis and skew. The overwhelming majority of wealth made that drives up the averages is made by less than 5% of graduate earners.
Odds are those guys were going to be successful anyways so it's opportunity cost as I mentioned.
Use the mode instead of the mean.
Now reverse the process for non-graduates to adjust for people that college would have never benefited anyways.
Aka you can't fix stupid.
We haven't even talked about market projection and demographics out over tim.
TLDR YMMV and correlation ain't causation.
There is too much money in financial aid right now that draws too many people into the game. Then again, you don't want it to be a rich man's game either. There is a rough cut people use to describe what it used to be and what it is now by referencing Harvard: 50 years ago Harvard was 75% rich kids of varying degrees of intelligence (see the Kennedys) and 25% brilliant kids. Today, it's flipped, and even Harvard admissions references the "happy bottom 25%", meaning wealthy and hooked kids who will graduate in the bottom 25% and be happy just to have the degree as a social credential.
I often wonder if we need to go back to that. Let the rich have their spots because in the end they pay for everything, but make sure there is a mechanism to find and develop talent coming from various socio-economic backgrounds. There are too many "middle bell curve" kids spending money - the government's or their parent's - going to college and barely getting anything out of it.
The thing that makes this topic difficult is the same thing that makes most topics difficult: subtlety. There are soft reasons for getting an education that goes beyond ROI. There's the experience of it and the other things that are harder to pinpoint. If you go to school with smart kids, that will rub off too. There's little question that it can make you better all around even if you're not that gifted to begin with. But at what cost?
There are legions of kids going to college on mom & dad's dime who are entirely checking the box. I mean, check the fucking box and are barely more intellectually developed than when they got there. Education can be a great thing but you have to actually get one and you have to make it so that it is economically feasible. I myself don't care about the 4-year ROI measure. I play the the long game. But you can't be saddled with six-figure debt for a bachelor's degree.
Lastly, the environment of college is considered inherently pleasurable by many people.
Being around a bunch of 18-24ish year olds who are living away from their parents for the first time is an education in social development and teaches you important life skills. You don’t have to go to a four year university to get them all, but it’s an unspoken part of the package. Most middle-class American 18 year olds are sheltered, naive, and don’t understand shit about how the world works - college is like the real world, but with training wheels and re-dos.
