Donte Williams on Twitter

creepycoug

chuck said:

Interesting.

I dont want him at UW. I'd rather have good coaches who realize that being great recruiters is now part of their job too. It's not hard, in fact it's way, way easier than being a great coach.

If that were true, everybody would be good at it. And everybody is not good at it, while EVERYBODY knows it's important. I'm not sure there are any coaches in the country who need to be forced into that realization.

The ones who aren't good it also don't like it. Maybe they're not good at it because they don't like it, or don't like it because they're not good at it.

Either way, there is nothing easy about it. It takes a lot of work and and ability to sell.

chuck

creepycoug said:

chuck said:

Interesting.

I dont want him at UW. I'd rather have good coaches who realize that being great recruiters is now part of their job too. It's not hard, in fact it's way, way easier than being a great coach.

If that were true, everybody would be good at it. And everybody is not good at it, while EVERYBODY knows it's important. I'm not sure there are any coaches in the country who need to be forced into that realization.

The ones who aren't good it also don't like it. Maybe they're not good at it because they don't like it, or don't like it because they're not good at it.

Either way, there is nothing easy about it. It takes a lot of work and and ability to sell.

The Ines who take it seriously enough to work hard at it are good at it. It's hard to put in the work, I suppose.

creepycoug

MikeSeaver said:

backthepack said:

chuck said:

Interesting.

I dont want him at UW. I'd rather have good coaches who realize that being great recruiters is now part of their job too. It's not hard, in fact it's way, way easier than being a great coach.

He’s probably one of the top 5-6 recruiters in the country. Get him.

SC recruiting hasn’t been anything special the last two years and Oregon’s recruiting hasn’t dropped since he left.

That's because Crisco is still there and teaches seminars in how to do it. Donte is a great recruiter in his own right.

creepycoug

Doogles said:

chuck said:

Interesting.

I dont want him at UW. I'd rather have good coaches who realize that being great recruiters is now part of their job too. It's not hard, in fact it's way, way easier than being a great coach.

Disagree with the bolded.

Yes you want the best coaches possible who are great in every area, but elite recruiting is an intangible skill that very few people have. It's ultra-competitive sales.

Turnover rates at high-commission jobs are insanely high for a reason, the best and brightest on paper can't fucking hack it. I'm ok with having a hired gun on staff who specializes in this area, particularly early on when you still need to sell the vision.

Ideally, once the train gets rolling the program will start recruiting itself more.

I question whether this ever really happens quite the way we imagine it does. Yes, once things get going the product being sold takes on more shine. But it's always competitive and somebody else always has something shiny to sell and 98% of recruits are open to more than one option. I say you always need it. You can only do so much with scheme and development.

tvoie

The people shooting down Williams as a stud recruiter are silly! UW absolutely needs someone like him.

chuck

tvoie said:

The people shooting down Williams as a stud recruiter are silly! UW absolutely needs someone like him.

I'm not shooting him down as a stud recruiter. I'm questioning whether he's a good enough coach. I'm not of the opinion that you can sacrifice player development at UW for ace recruiting. It didn't work when Tosh was here.

There are guys out there who can do both. I dont believe you can have any guys in staff excused from recruiting. They should all be in to it and good at it. Same goes for coaching and development though.

backthepack

Tosh was under Sark. It doesn't matter if you’re under a shit head coach.

RatherBeBrewing

Williams’ wife, Dr. Jayna, got her undergrad at UW where she was a cheerleader. My friend’s wife was friends or frenemies or something like that with her.

Y’all would be fools to not hire Donte if Town Car isn’t retaining him. If you give a fuck about his coaching DBs or CBs or whatever you’re stupid. He’s not even a bad DB coach, but even if he was it doesn’t matter - because he’ll recruit a nun to a brothel.

NEsnake12

Time to bake a cake

greenblood

Doogles said:

chuck said:

Interesting.

I dont want him at UW. I'd rather have good coaches who realize that being great recruiters is now part of their job too. It's not hard, in fact it's way, way easier than being a great coach.

Disagree with the bolded.

Yes you want the best coaches possible who are great in every area, but elite recruiting is an intangible skill that very few people have. It's ultra-competitive sales.

Turnover rates at high-commission jobs are insanely high for a reason, the best and brightest on paper can't fucking hack it. I'm ok with having a hired gun on staff who specializes in this area, particularly early on when you still need to sell the vision.

Ideally, once the train gets rolling the program will start recruiting itself more.

THIS

Recruiting is a different skill set all together. Being a great coach has a lot to do with schematics, development, making quick adjustments, timing, personnel management, analytics, etc. While recruiting is mostly about selling and being a social badass, which for some people is nearly impossible. Some coaches are great at one and not the other. Could you see Bill Belichick being a big time recruiter? Of course not, but he'd hire them.

You ideally want both. A great coach can get the most out of his players, but those players might not have a high ceiling because of the lack of recruiting. On the other hand, a bad coach might recruit well, but have underperforming blue chips. They most likely won't suck because the talent makes them have much higher floors. But in the end, both situations are not ideal.