Sometimes a coach just has to coach

HuskyJW

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Tequilla

Not noted is that the OC during those periods was Babushka who also is having a very strong rate of success in the running game at Oregon St

Both are likely factors

BennyBeaver

Tequilla said:

Not noted is that the OC during those periods was Babushka who also is having a very strong rate of success in the running game at Oregon St

Both are likely factors

It was all Tedford.

NEsnake12

The Colts have the most talented OL in the NFL so that also helps.

LG Quenton Nelson is pretty unanimously considered to be the best interior OL in the entire league, and the LT and C were pro bowlers last season on top of that. Reminiscent of the 2005 Seahawks OL

bananasnblondes

A strong argument can be made that Huff's recruiting the last 2 years has been just as bad as Strausser's ever was.

Obviously there are lots of factors (players, scheme, etc) but the way our line worked as a team under Strausser was a thing of beauty. Under Huff, it has been putrid.

With the next o line coach, it might be a good idea to look into hiring a surly old fuck who might not relate as well to the kids but earns their respect by knowing his shit (see Michalczyk at OSU)

TXDawg

How does a coach get called a shit recruiter when his unit is high-performing?

AtomicDawg

TXDawg said:

How does a coach get called a shit recruiter when his unit is high-performing?

Because he gets the people that your peers didn’t want and he doesn’t call them very often during the process according to the kids. Pete did some of the heavy lifting like taking over McGary’s recruitment for strausser. Good coach that hated recruiting and was fired for it. It is possible to be a good coach and recruiter.

TXDawg

AtomicDawg said:

It is possible to be a good coach and recruiter.

That’s a great question. If you’re a HC, do you want the steak of having a great positional coach or the sizzle of a 50-year old man who doesn’t mind texting 17-year old boys at 10pm?

halfbrainmanmolder

Obviously good at both recruiting and coaching is ideal. But would prefer a better coach/shit recruiter to a good recruiter/shit coach by a long mile.

FremontTroll

You have to do both. For a great coach/developer a large percentage of Strausser’s diamond in the rough signees never came close to doing shit. Sosebee, James, Turner, remember these names?

It became abundantly clear in 2016 and 2017 as our Plan A-D guys signed elsewhere that another Adams or McGary wasn’t walking through that door.

To say otherwise is revisionist history.

The Nfl is a better fit for him.

FireCohen

bananasnblondes said:

A strong argument can be made that Huff's recruiting the last 2 years has been just as bad as Strausser's ever was.

Obviously there are lots of factors (players, scheme, etc) but the way our line worked as a team under Strausser was a thing of beauty. Under Huff, it has been putrid.

With the next o line coach, it might be a good idea to look into hiring a surly old fuck who might not relate as well to the kids but earns their respect by knowing his shit (see Michalczyk at OSU)

His recruiting has been great, but player development has been bad

HFNY

IIRC, Petersen decided to move on from Strausser after that local 5 star OL went to Stanford over UW. I think Petersen felt he had to pick up a lot of slack for Strausser and then it was too late.

GreenRiverGatorz

FremontTroll said:

You have to do both. For a great coach/developer a large percentage of Strausser’s diamond in the rough signees never came close to doing shit. Sosebee, James, Turner, remember these names?

It became abundantly clear in 2016 and 2017 as our Plan A-D guys signed elsewhere that another Adams or McGary wasn’t walking through that door.

To say otherwise is revisionist history.

The Nfl is a better fit for him.

• McGary - recruited as a DE by Kwat anyways, so Strausser gets zero credit for the recruitment here. But development was all him.
  
• Matt James - lol
  
• Jesse Sosebee - also lol
  
• John Turner - who?
  
• Devin Burleson - useless
  
• Jared Hilbers - give Strauss credit, a nobody recruit who developed into an above average starter
  
• Henry Roberts - not sure Strauss even ran point on this, but it was a good signing. He of course ended up busting.
  
• Trey Adams - Obviously a big dick get. Give Strauss credit.
  
• Luke Wattenberg - Solid signing, but has turned out to be useless. Maybe Strausser could have developed him into something better.
  
• Nick Harris - Not a big signing, but clearly Strausser's best success.
  
• Henry Bainivalu - See Wattenberg.
  
• Cole Norgaard - who?
  
• Jaxson Kirkland - Maybe Strauss gets credit for evaluating him? Losing Sarrell was obviously a blessing in disguise on this one.
  

So I'd still take him over Huff given the clear regression we've seen from players who have much more raw talent than what Strauss had to work with. OL more than anything is a position where development far outweighs recruiting in terms of eventual success. That said, just find someone who can do both.

CuntWaffle

Strausser was built for the NFL so getting rid of him was a blessing for everyone. Now he can be a good coach and just worry about the players he is given and not getting them.

AtomicDawg

TXDawg said:

AtomicDawg said:

It is possible to be a good coach and recruiter.

That’s a great question. If you’re a HC, do you want the steak of having a great positional coach or the sizzle of a 50-year old man who doesn’t mind texting 17-year old boys at 10pm?

THere are people that do enough of both. Personally, I don't care what the coordinators do with regards to recruiting as much as a positional coach but offensive line is a very important position. Strausser just didn't want to do it and we didn't get enough talent without the effort.

All that being said, Huff sucks.

RaceBannon

AtomicDawg said:

TXDawg said:

AtomicDawg said:

It is possible to be a good coach and recruiter.

That’s a great question. If you’re a HC, do you want the steak of having a great positional coach or the sizzle of a 50-year old man who doesn’t mind texting 17-year old boys at 10pm?

THere are people that do enough of both. Personally, I don't care what the coordinators do with regards to recruiting as much as a positional coach but offensive line is a very important position. Strausser just didn't want to do it and we didn't get enough talent without the effort.

All that being said, Huff sucks.

We? need to stop being presented with two bad choices and being told to pick one

whatshouldicareabout

GreenRiverGatorz said:

FremontTroll said:

You have to do both. For a great coach/developer a large percentage of Strausser’s diamond in the rough signees never came close to doing shit. Sosebee, James, Turner, remember these names?

It became abundantly clear in 2016 and 2017 as our Plan A-D guys signed elsewhere that another Adams or McGary wasn’t walking through that door.

To say otherwise is revisionist history.

The Nfl is a better fit for him.

• McGary - recruited as a DE by Kwat anyways, so Strausser gets zero credit for the recruitment here. But development was all him.
  
• Matt James - lol
  
• Jesse Sosebee - also lol
  
• John Turner - who?
  
• Devin Burleson - useless
  
• Jared Hilbers - give Strauss credit, a nobody recruit who developed into an above average starter
  
• Henry Roberts - not sure Strauss even ran point on this, but it was a good signing. He of course ended up busting.
  
• Trey Adams - Obviously a big dick get. Give Strauss credit.
  
• Luke Wattenberg - Solid signing, but has turned out to be useless. Maybe Strausser could have developed him into something better.
  
• Nick Harris - Not a big signing, but clearly Strausser's best success.
  
• Henry Bainivalu - See Wattenberg.
  
• Cole Norgaard - who?
  
• Jaxson Kirkland - Maybe Strauss gets credit for evaluating him? Losing Sarrell was obviously a blessing in disguise on this one.
  

So I'd still take him over Huff given the clear regression we've seen from players who have much more raw talent than what Strauss had to work with. OL more than anything is a position where development far outweighs recruiting in terms of eventual success. That said, just find someone who can do both.

Disagree. Adams committed to UW under Sark and maintained his commitment throughout. Strausser did nothing. He had the same level of involvement in his recruitment as I did.

HFNY

IMHO Henry Bainivalu has been coming along.

But yeah, the only coach worth keeping on the offensive side of the ball is Adams (maybe Caho). Keith B's results unfortunately haven't been very good since Gaskin and Ahmed left for the NFL.

AtomicDawg

HFNY said:

IMHO Henry Bainivalu has been coming along.

But yeah, the only coach worth keeping on the offensive side of the ball is Adams (maybe Caho). Keith B's results unfortunately haven't been very good since Gaskin and Ahmed left for the NFL.

Cato recommended JonDon to lake so he can GTFO

FremontTroll

The hiring of Huff should be viewed separately from the firing of Strausser. People always conflate the two (think Roman/Hopkins.)

I think we need a full cleanse on the offensive side of the ball but I wouldn’t be surprised if Huff lands on his feet somewhere and ends up being a good coach. Everything has been fucked under Hamdan and JonDon and it’s just not clear how to apportion responsibility beyond the OC and head coaches.

Gladstone

I could see maybe moving Huff to TE so he could help assist OL recruiting, but he should probably be spaced along with the rest of the staff sans Malloe.