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  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,213
    PostGameOrangeSlices said:

    "my comments have been twisted a bit here"

    You're right, you're not wrong, it's everyone else who is wrong

    I didn’t say that

    What I’m saying is that I think my position has been skewed a bit

    The position of I don’t think Jen should have torpedoed the hire has been translated to saying that I endorse everything she did with the hire … to which I wasn’t opining to

    Then when I went into why I’m not going after her that hard for that people are taking my high level comments and going into more detail saying that because I didn’t say this or that in my summary that they have a Gotcha

    Note that I’ve agreed with basically every position people have put out there with the exception of Jen not allowing the JonDon hire
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  • PostGameOrangeSlices
    PostGameOrangeSlices Member Posts: 27,658
    Tequilla said:

    TurdBomber said:

    Tequilla said:

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    Tequilla said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    Tequilla said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    Tequilla said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    Tequilla said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    Tequilla said:

    HoustonHusky said:

    Jen had a no-brainer hire of Eric Musselman and instead hires a guy who couldn’t take over for a coach who pees himself. She hired Jimmy without having any knowledge/oversite in making him successful…the John Donovan hire should never have happened because any competent AD would have put a stop to it.

    The idea of her hiring anyone should frighten everyone.

    So Jen’s supposed to be the expert on OC hires?

    It was a questionable at best hire at the time and the disaster it turned out to be was a contributing factor in Jimmy getting rightfully fired

    But having an AD overtly micro manage hiring decisions by her directs … that’s not how things work

    I’m plenty critical of Jen but not in this regard … that’s 1000% on Jimmy
    If an AD sees her staff member making a colossal mistake, you intervene. This is not difficult.
    Intervene how?
    Jesus Christ Teq.
    It’s a simple question

    I’m asking you to clarify as to not jump to conclusions

    If I’m jumping to conclusions I’d expect you to say that if you were the AD you would have blocked and not signed off on the hire

    If I'm running a business, and I see an employee making a terrible decision, I intervene.
    So you’re going to micro manage your employees

    It’s an approach
    Making a hire that could crater an entire season = micromanaging

    Sure buddy
    With all due respect DJ, comments like this from you (and others) are ones where I just shake my head and sigh because this just isn’t how business is done.

    Mr Anus gave a really good reason why what you and others are suggesting doesn’t work

    Whatever
    If UW was manufacturing widgets, I'd agree. They aren't, so I don't. Teq, you must be aware of "MBA Thinking" a short-hand description of extremely narrow group-think pathologies interjected into discussions where they don't belong. This is not a slam against people with an MBA, but typical of persons who know an MBA or two, and love to say shit like "We need to run this School District/Water Department or SDOT like a business." Bullshit. And a true MBA would recognize the massive differences and chasms immediately.
    Couldn’t disagree more

    When you don’t have structure, process, vision, goals, objectives, etc in place you get the UW AD with accountability to what? You get low bar results with minimal hurdles.

    I’m not saying it needs to be the most complex organization … I’ve been part of very micro privately held businesses and far larger publicly traded companies. I despise bureaucracy… inefficient and slows people down

    That said you have to have accountability and that’s where everything has fallen apart … make no mistake Jen doesn’t fire Jimmy unless her seat got really warm
    There's no official one-true-template for the process. The point I'm making is that many organizations talk the MBA talk, but don't walk the walk when the time comes for it. The accountability needs to be real and tailored to the specific program needs. Obviously it was skipped in UW's case.
    Couldn’t agree more

    The thing about MBAs and really most degrees is that they don’t give you an answer key to your professional career … they give you skills and knowledge that you can leverage to adapt to the ever changing circumstances around you

    The case studies that are given are great in that they give you a chance to apply learnings to a situation and see how you’d address the issues … but there’s no risk because those issues are done and resolved. The real test comes when you’re operating in real time trying to solve a massive problem and spit balling any and all possible solutions, making gut calls on imperfect data, and owning the decisions/outcomes associated with it

    You learn way more in the real world than you do reading a book
    MBAs dont give you shit besides maybe a promotion or a better job at another company

    There are plenty of dipshit MBAs
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  • Clevdawg
    Clevdawg Member Posts: 118
    Any Coach worth a shit would never let an AD force hire of a coordinator. You choose your people you own it.
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  • TurdBomber
    TurdBomber Member Posts: 20,051 Standard Supporter
    PostGameOrangeSlices said:

    Tequilla said:

    TurdBomber said:

    Tequilla said:

    TurdBomber said:

    Tequilla said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    Tequilla said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    Tequilla said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    Tequilla said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    Tequilla said:

    HoustonHusky said:

    Jen had a no-brainer hire of Eric Musselman and instead hires a guy who couldn’t take over for a coach who pees himself. She hired Jimmy without having any knowledge/oversite in making him successful…the John Donovan hire should never have happened because any competent AD would have put a stop to it.

    The idea of her hiring anyone should frighten everyone.

    So Jen’s supposed to be the expert on OC hires?

    It was a questionable at best hire at the time and the disaster it turned out to be was a contributing factor in Jimmy getting rightfully fired

    But having an AD overtly micro manage hiring decisions by her directs … that’s not how things work

    I’m plenty critical of Jen but not in this regard … that’s 1000% on Jimmy
    If an AD sees her staff member making a colossal mistake, you intervene. This is not difficult.
    Intervene how?
    Jesus Christ Teq.
    It’s a simple question

    I’m asking you to clarify as to not jump to conclusions

    If I’m jumping to conclusions I’d expect you to say that if you were the AD you would have blocked and not signed off on the hire

    If I'm running a business, and I see an employee making a terrible decision, I intervene.
    So you’re going to micro manage your employees

    It’s an approach
    Making a hire that could crater an entire season = micromanaging

    Sure buddy
    With all due respect DJ, comments like this from you (and others) are ones where I just shake my head and sigh because this just isn’t how business is done.

    Mr Anus gave a really good reason why what you and others are suggesting doesn’t work

    Whatever
    If UW was manufacturing widgets, I'd agree. They aren't, so I don't. Teq, you must be aware of "MBA Thinking" a short-hand description of extremely narrow group-think pathologies interjected into discussions where they don't belong. This is not a slam against people with an MBA, but typical of persons who know an MBA or two, and love to say shit like "We need to run this School District/Water Department or SDOT like a business." Bullshit. And a true MBA would recognize the massive differences and chasms immediately.
    Couldn’t disagree more

    When you don’t have structure, process, vision, goals, objectives, etc in place you get the UW AD with accountability to what? You get low bar results with minimal hurdles.

    I’m not saying it needs to be the most complex organization … I’ve been part of very micro privately held businesses and far larger publicly traded companies. I despise bureaucracy… inefficient and slows people down

    That said you have to have accountability and that’s where everything has fallen apart … make no mistake Jen doesn’t fire Jimmy unless her seat got really warm
    There's no official one-true-template for the process. The point I'm making is that many organizations talk the MBA talk, but don't walk the walk when the time comes for it. The accountability needs to be real and tailored to the specific program needs. Obviously it was skipped in UW's case.
    Couldn’t agree more

    The thing about MBAs and really most degrees is that they don’t give you an answer key to your professional career … they give you skills and knowledge that you can leverage to adapt to the ever changing circumstances around you

    The case studies that are given are great in that they give you a chance to apply learnings to a situation and see how you’d address the issues … but there’s no risk because those issues are done and resolved. The real test comes when you’re operating in real time trying to solve a massive problem and spit balling any and all possible solutions, making gut calls on imperfect data, and owning the decisions/outcomes associated with it

    You learn way more in the real world than you do reading a book
    MBAs dont give you shit besides maybe a promotion or a better job at another company

    There are plenty of dipshit MBAs
    Be fair. Most of those are from online schools nobody's ever heard of and not worth the toilet paper they're written on. Same with many PhDs and Masters. And many - probably most - wind up in DIE departments of organizations and government offices where there are no metrics, just anecdotal data and rhetoric to pretend they are actually being measured in any way, versus hooked up by friends and family.

    There's a particular institution in Seattle that's the world's biggest shining example of nepotism and failure the world's ever seen. And their budget climbs every year. But I won't name names, though parents with kids know what I'm talking about.
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  • HoustonHusky
    HoustonHusky Member Posts: 6,010
    Clevdawg said:

    Any Coach worth a shit would never let an AD force hire of a coordinator. You choose your people you own it.

    No, but any AD seeing that their coach is making a horrible hire will bring them in and mentor them that they do have the resources to aim higher.
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  • TXDawg
    TXDawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 851 Founders Club
    I bet the evening MBA classes at Foster are wild.
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  • PostGameOrangeSlices
    PostGameOrangeSlices Member Posts: 27,658
    PurpleThrobber said:

    PostGameOrangeSlices said:

    Tequilla said:

    TurdBomber said:

    Tequilla said:

    TurdBomber said:

    Tequilla said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    Tequilla said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    Tequilla said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    Tequilla said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    Tequilla said:

    HoustonHusky said:

    Jen had a no-brainer hire of Eric Musselman and instead hires a guy who couldn’t take over for a coach who pees himself. She hired Jimmy without having any knowledge/oversite in making him successful…the John Donovan hire should never have happened because any competent AD would have put a stop to it.

    The idea of her hiring anyone should frighten everyone.

    So Jen’s supposed to be the expert on OC hires?

    It was a questionable at best hire at the time and the disaster it turned out to be was a contributing factor in Jimmy getting rightfully fired

    But having an AD overtly micro manage hiring decisions by her directs … that’s not how things work

    I’m plenty critical of Jen but not in this regard … that’s 1000% on Jimmy
    If an AD sees her staff member making a colossal mistake, you intervene. This is not difficult.
    Intervene how?
    Jesus Christ Teq.
    It’s a simple question

    I’m asking you to clarify as to not jump to conclusions

    If I’m jumping to conclusions I’d expect you to say that if you were the AD you would have blocked and not signed off on the hire

    If I'm running a business, and I see an employee making a terrible decision, I intervene.
    So you’re going to micro manage your employees

    It’s an approach
    Making a hire that could crater an entire season = micromanaging

    Sure buddy
    With all due respect DJ, comments like this from you (and others) are ones where I just shake my head and sigh because this just isn’t how business is done.

    Mr Anus gave a really good reason why what you and others are suggesting doesn’t work

    Whatever
    If UW was manufacturing widgets, I'd agree. They aren't, so I don't. Teq, you must be aware of "MBA Thinking" a short-hand description of extremely narrow group-think pathologies interjected into discussions where they don't belong. This is not a slam against people with an MBA, but typical of persons who know an MBA or two, and love to say shit like "We need to run this School District/Water Department or SDOT like a business." Bullshit. And a true MBA would recognize the massive differences and chasms immediately.
    Couldn’t disagree more

    When you don’t have structure, process, vision, goals, objectives, etc in place you get the UW AD with accountability to what? You get low bar results with minimal hurdles.

    I’m not saying it needs to be the most complex organization … I’ve been part of very micro privately held businesses and far larger publicly traded companies. I despise bureaucracy… inefficient and slows people down

    That said you have to have accountability and that’s where everything has fallen apart … make no mistake Jen doesn’t fire Jimmy unless her seat got really warm
    There's no official one-true-template for the process. The point I'm making is that many organizations talk the MBA talk, but don't walk the walk when the time comes for it. The accountability needs to be real and tailored to the specific program needs. Obviously it was skipped in UW's case.
    Couldn’t agree more

    The thing about MBAs and really most degrees is that they don’t give you an answer key to your professional career … they give you skills and knowledge that you can leverage to adapt to the ever changing circumstances around you

    The case studies that are given are great in that they give you a chance to apply learnings to a situation and see how you’d address the issues … but there’s no risk because those issues are done and resolved. The real test comes when you’re operating in real time trying to solve a massive problem and spit balling any and all possible solutions, making gut calls on imperfect data, and owning the decisions/outcomes associated with it

    You learn way more in the real world than you do reading a book
    MBAs dont give you shit besides maybe a promotion or a better job at another company

    There are plenty of dipshit MBAs
    I love my daughter. Very proud of her. She’s about to finish her MBA. She’s an idiot 81% of the time.


    Does she live in Seattle? Im banging her if so
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  • TurdBomber
    TurdBomber Member Posts: 20,051 Standard Supporter
    PostGameOrangeSlices said:

    PurpleThrobber said:

    PostGameOrangeSlices said:

    Tequilla said:

    TurdBomber said:

    Tequilla said:

    TurdBomber said:

    Tequilla said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    Tequilla said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    Tequilla said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    Tequilla said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    Tequilla said:

    HoustonHusky said:

    Jen had a no-brainer hire of Eric Musselman and instead hires a guy who couldn’t take over for a coach who pees himself. She hired Jimmy without having any knowledge/oversite in making him successful…the John Donovan hire should never have happened because any competent AD would have put a stop to it.

    The idea of her hiring anyone should frighten everyone.

    So Jen’s supposed to be the expert on OC hires?

    It was a questionable at best hire at the time and the disaster it turned out to be was a contributing factor in Jimmy getting rightfully fired

    But having an AD overtly micro manage hiring decisions by her directs … that’s not how things work

    I’m plenty critical of Jen but not in this regard … that’s 1000% on Jimmy
    If an AD sees her staff member making a colossal mistake, you intervene. This is not difficult.
    Intervene how?
    Jesus Christ Teq.
    It’s a simple question

    I’m asking you to clarify as to not jump to conclusions

    If I’m jumping to conclusions I’d expect you to say that if you were the AD you would have blocked and not signed off on the hire

    If I'm running a business, and I see an employee making a terrible decision, I intervene.
    So you’re going to micro manage your employees

    It’s an approach
    Making a hire that could crater an entire season = micromanaging

    Sure buddy
    With all due respect DJ, comments like this from you (and others) are ones where I just shake my head and sigh because this just isn’t how business is done.

    Mr Anus gave a really good reason why what you and others are suggesting doesn’t work

    Whatever
    If UW was manufacturing widgets, I'd agree. They aren't, so I don't. Teq, you must be aware of "MBA Thinking" a short-hand description of extremely narrow group-think pathologies interjected into discussions where they don't belong. This is not a slam against people with an MBA, but typical of persons who know an MBA or two, and love to say shit like "We need to run this School District/Water Department or SDOT like a business." Bullshit. And a true MBA would recognize the massive differences and chasms immediately.
    Couldn’t disagree more

    When you don’t have structure, process, vision, goals, objectives, etc in place you get the UW AD with accountability to what? You get low bar results with minimal hurdles.

    I’m not saying it needs to be the most complex organization … I’ve been part of very micro privately held businesses and far larger publicly traded companies. I despise bureaucracy… inefficient and slows people down

    That said you have to have accountability and that’s where everything has fallen apart … make no mistake Jen doesn’t fire Jimmy unless her seat got really warm
    There's no official one-true-template for the process. The point I'm making is that many organizations talk the MBA talk, but don't walk the walk when the time comes for it. The accountability needs to be real and tailored to the specific program needs. Obviously it was skipped in UW's case.
    Couldn’t agree more

    The thing about MBAs and really most degrees is that they don’t give you an answer key to your professional career … they give you skills and knowledge that you can leverage to adapt to the ever changing circumstances around you

    The case studies that are given are great in that they give you a chance to apply learnings to a situation and see how you’d address the issues … but there’s no risk because those issues are done and resolved. The real test comes when you’re operating in real time trying to solve a massive problem and spit balling any and all possible solutions, making gut calls on imperfect data, and owning the decisions/outcomes associated with it

    You learn way more in the real world than you do reading a book
    MBAs dont give you shit besides maybe a promotion or a better job at another company

    There are plenty of dipshit MBAs
    I love my daughter. Very proud of her. She’s about to finish her MBA. She’s an idiot 81% of the time.


    Does she live in Seattle? Im banging her if so
    You're not Joe Biden. Knock if off.
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