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Jen Cohen has got to go NOW
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I'm her presser, Jen kept referring to the "kids" and the "boys". These are men old enough to die for their country. Keep treating them like children and they will play like pussies. We have no faith that she will do anything other than fuck this up, just like last time....
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Why is this whole thing still a conversation?
Jen hired Jimmy based upon a lot of factors but the primary one could well have been CP's vote of confidence in Jimmy.
New situation. Blank slate.
Coach wants to make an obvious disastrous hire.
Under NO CIRCUMSTANCES is it a good idea to just rubberstamp a hire that will certainly crater the organization for three years minimum.
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Given the circumstances and the previous years of ongoing OC complaints about Smiffy, the OC position was a very high profile hire for the HC. And even the most neutral, detached view of Donovan would raise serious questions about his qualifications. A competent AD would've required Jimmy to make his case for Donovan and sell the AD on it.Tequilla said:
It’s a simple questionDerekJohnson said:
Jesus Christ Teq.Tequilla said:
Intervene how?DerekJohnson said:
If an AD sees her staff member making a colossal mistake, you intervene. This is not difficult.Tequilla said:
So Jen’s supposed to be the expert on OC hires?HoustonHusky said:Jen had a no-brainer hire of Eric Musselman and instead hires a guy who couldn’t take over for a coach who pees himself. She hired Jimmy without having any knowledge/oversite in making him successful…the John Donovan hire should never have happened because any competent AD would have put a stop to it.
The idea of her hiring anyone should frighten everyone.
It was a questionable at best hire at the time and the disaster it turned out to be was a contributing factor in Jimmy getting rightfully fired
But having an AD overtly micro manage hiring decisions by her directs … that’s not how things work
I’m plenty critical of Jen but not in this regard … that’s 1000% on Jimmy
I’m asking you to clarify as to not jump to conclusions
If I’m jumping to conclusions I’d expect you to say that if you were the AD you would have blocked and not signed off on the hire
It appears no such bargaining sessions ever took place and Donovan was a shoe-in under Lake. That's bad Leadership by an AD who supposedly gave a shit about coaching hires in her department.
This one should never have been a hands-off hire for Jimmy to make and you can't have accountability without specific goals and promises, which likewise appear to never have been made. -
Yeah, No. The point is not whether to usurp the HC, Teq. It's to question his choices and allow him to sell or defend them. Part of leadership is forcing your underlings to think long and hard about their choices and the consequences of them. It's not the Battle of the Bulge, nor is it a one-way street. People talk for a reason.Tequilla said:
I know way more than you thinkhaie said:
Shut up.Tequilla said:
So you’re going to micro manage your employeesDerekJohnson said:
If I'm running a business, and I see an employee making a terrible decision, I intervene.Tequilla said:
It’s a simple questionDerekJohnson said:
Jesus Christ Teq.Tequilla said:
Intervene how?DerekJohnson said:
If an AD sees her staff member making a colossal mistake, you intervene. This is not difficult.Tequilla said:
So Jen’s supposed to be the expert on OC hires?HoustonHusky said:Jen had a no-brainer hire of Eric Musselman and instead hires a guy who couldn’t take over for a coach who pees himself. She hired Jimmy without having any knowledge/oversite in making him successful…the John Donovan hire should never have happened because any competent AD would have put a stop to it.
The idea of her hiring anyone should frighten everyone.
It was a questionable at best hire at the time and the disaster it turned out to be was a contributing factor in Jimmy getting rightfully fired
But having an AD overtly micro manage hiring decisions by her directs … that’s not how things work
I’m plenty critical of Jen but not in this regard … that’s 1000% on Jimmy
I’m asking you to clarify as to not jump to conclusions
If I’m jumping to conclusions I’d expect you to say that if you were the AD you would have blocked and not signed off on the hire
It’s an approach
You don't know shit on the subject so piss off.
If you’re having to do what DJ is thinking should have done … it’s a bad strategy long term
What that is saying is that you hired the wrong person to start with
The JonDon hire isn’t about JonDon … it was about Jimmy
The JonDon hire, the firings of your recruiting/support staff, pushing out K … all of that shows that Jimmy was clueless at the job of being a head coach
If you’re going to be Jimmy’s boss and tell him he can’t make a hire … you might as well fire him right then and there
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If UW was manufacturing widgets, I'd agree. They aren't, so I don't. Teq, you must be aware of "MBA Thinking" a short-hand description of extremely narrow group-think pathologies interjected into discussions where they don't belong. This is not a slam against people with an MBA, but typical of persons who know an MBA or two, and love to say shit like "We need to run this School District/Water Department or SDOT like a business." Bullshit. And a true MBA would recognize the massive differences and chasms immediately.Tequilla said:
With all due respect DJ, comments like this from you (and others) are ones where I just shake my head and sigh because this just isn’t how business is done.DerekJohnson said:
Making a hire that could crater an entire season = micromanagingTequilla said:
So you’re going to micro manage your employeesDerekJohnson said:
If I'm running a business, and I see an employee making a terrible decision, I intervene.Tequilla said:
It’s a simple questionDerekJohnson said:
Jesus Christ Teq.Tequilla said:
Intervene how?DerekJohnson said:
If an AD sees her staff member making a colossal mistake, you intervene. This is not difficult.Tequilla said:
So Jen’s supposed to be the expert on OC hires?HoustonHusky said:Jen had a no-brainer hire of Eric Musselman and instead hires a guy who couldn’t take over for a coach who pees himself. She hired Jimmy without having any knowledge/oversite in making him successful…the John Donovan hire should never have happened because any competent AD would have put a stop to it.
The idea of her hiring anyone should frighten everyone.
It was a questionable at best hire at the time and the disaster it turned out to be was a contributing factor in Jimmy getting rightfully fired
But having an AD overtly micro manage hiring decisions by her directs … that’s not how things work
I’m plenty critical of Jen but not in this regard … that’s 1000% on Jimmy
I’m asking you to clarify as to not jump to conclusions
If I’m jumping to conclusions I’d expect you to say that if you were the AD you would have blocked and not signed off on the hire
It’s an approach
Sure buddy
Mr Anus gave a really good reason why what you and others are suggesting doesn’t work
Whatever -
I was gonna say Chainsaw Al Dunlap. But Welch is plenty analogous, too.PurpleThrobber said:I need to hear from @JackWelchDawg on organizational accountability.
Bottom 10% broomed annually. -
Agreed on her approach to Pete … lots of reasons it works for Pete and it hides Jen’s gapsCFetters_Nacho_Lover said:
You already discussed how you’d intervene by asking critical questions, etc.Tequilla said:
So you’re going to micro manage your employeesDerekJohnson said:
If I'm running a business, and I see an employee making a terrible decision, I intervene.Tequilla said:
It’s a simple questionDerekJohnson said:
Jesus Christ Teq.Tequilla said:
Intervene how?DerekJohnson said:
If an AD sees her staff member making a colossal mistake, you intervene. This is not difficult.Tequilla said:
So Jen’s supposed to be the expert on OC hires?HoustonHusky said:Jen had a no-brainer hire of Eric Musselman and instead hires a guy who couldn’t take over for a coach who pees himself. She hired Jimmy without having any knowledge/oversite in making him successful…the John Donovan hire should never have happened because any competent AD would have put a stop to it.
The idea of her hiring anyone should frighten everyone.
It was a questionable at best hire at the time and the disaster it turned out to be was a contributing factor in Jimmy getting rightfully fired
But having an AD overtly micro manage hiring decisions by her directs … that’s not how things work
I’m plenty critical of Jen but not in this regard … that’s 1000% on Jimmy
I’m asking you to clarify as to not jump to conclusions
If I’m jumping to conclusions I’d expect you to say that if you were the AD you would have blocked and not signed off on the hire
It’s an approach
As mentioned, Jen is so far over her head she let jimmy do whatever he wanted. I have a feeling much of that attitude comes from her inheriting Pete and Pete delivered. Jen thought Jimmy would do the same and instead, the program is at yet another crossroad with an over her head, incompetent AD making the critical choices.
Her gaps got exposed by Jimmy and he’d have sunk the ship if he didn’t cause easy to identify fixable damage to start
Big difference in having up front discussions vs blocking a hire after a candidate is identified -
I agree with this … it’s also very different from blocking the hireTurdBomber said:
Given the circumstances and the previous years of ongoing OC complaints about Smiffy, the OC position was a very high profile hire for the HC. And even the most neutral, detached view of Donovan would raise serious questions about his qualifications. A competent AD would've required Jimmy to make his case for Donovan and sell the AD on it.Tequilla said:
It’s a simple questionDerekJohnson said:
Jesus Christ Teq.Tequilla said:
Intervene how?DerekJohnson said:
If an AD sees her staff member making a colossal mistake, you intervene. This is not difficult.Tequilla said:
So Jen’s supposed to be the expert on OC hires?HoustonHusky said:Jen had a no-brainer hire of Eric Musselman and instead hires a guy who couldn’t take over for a coach who pees himself. She hired Jimmy without having any knowledge/oversite in making him successful…the John Donovan hire should never have happened because any competent AD would have put a stop to it.
The idea of her hiring anyone should frighten everyone.
It was a questionable at best hire at the time and the disaster it turned out to be was a contributing factor in Jimmy getting rightfully fired
But having an AD overtly micro manage hiring decisions by her directs … that’s not how things work
I’m plenty critical of Jen but not in this regard … that’s 1000% on Jimmy
I’m asking you to clarify as to not jump to conclusions
If I’m jumping to conclusions I’d expect you to say that if you were the AD you would have blocked and not signed off on the hire
If Jimmy could in any way make a case for the hire then you have to let it go … the obvious consequence is him getting fired for that decision -
Talk good … I encourage that.TurdBomber said:
Yeah, No. The point is not whether to usurp the HC, Teq. It's to question his choices and allow him to sell or defend them. Part of leadership is forcing your underlings to think long and hard about their choices and the consequences of them. It's not the Battle of the Bulge, nor is it a one-way street. People talk for a reason.Tequilla said:
I know way more than you thinkhaie said:
Shut up.Tequilla said:
So you’re going to micro manage your employeesDerekJohnson said:
If I'm running a business, and I see an employee making a terrible decision, I intervene.Tequilla said:
It’s a simple questionDerekJohnson said:
Jesus Christ Teq.Tequilla said:
Intervene how?DerekJohnson said:
If an AD sees her staff member making a colossal mistake, you intervene. This is not difficult.Tequilla said:
So Jen’s supposed to be the expert on OC hires?HoustonHusky said:Jen had a no-brainer hire of Eric Musselman and instead hires a guy who couldn’t take over for a coach who pees himself. She hired Jimmy without having any knowledge/oversite in making him successful…the John Donovan hire should never have happened because any competent AD would have put a stop to it.
The idea of her hiring anyone should frighten everyone.
It was a questionable at best hire at the time and the disaster it turned out to be was a contributing factor in Jimmy getting rightfully fired
But having an AD overtly micro manage hiring decisions by her directs … that’s not how things work
I’m plenty critical of Jen but not in this regard … that’s 1000% on Jimmy
I’m asking you to clarify as to not jump to conclusions
If I’m jumping to conclusions I’d expect you to say that if you were the AD you would have blocked and not signed off on the hire
It’s an approach
You don't know shit on the subject so piss off.
If you’re having to do what DJ is thinking should have done … it’s a bad strategy long term
What that is saying is that you hired the wrong person to start with
The JonDon hire isn’t about JonDon … it was about Jimmy
The JonDon hire, the firings of your recruiting/support staff, pushing out K … all of that shows that Jimmy was clueless at the job of being a head coach
If you’re going to be Jimmy’s boss and tell him he can’t make a hire … you might as well fire him right then and there
That’s the point
Nowhere did I suggest that an AD shouldn’t have those conversations … they absolutely should
There’s also accountability for actions … if you go to bat for a hire that fails spectacularly you’re going to go down with that ship -
Tequilla youre off base here.
There is a reason Directors are usually involved in the interview process for many corporate decisions. It's very rare for a manager to hire someone without any other interviews or feedback. Its hard to get hired nowadays at a publicly traded company without getting the sign off from 4 or 5 different suits
