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  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 33,048
    edited November 2021
    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    "ever since Hondo got here, all you guys talk about it Russia Russia Russia"

    @UW_Doog_Bot

    Actually, not being a lying fraud like you this topic never died here. There is a reason why this story is now in the news again, and there is a reason why you still continue to lie and avoid this story after pushing it with lies an bullshit for 3 years.
    Bob I'll address this one last time. First, you don't get that I'm poking fun at doog bot for whining that I started talking Russia Russia Russia when I got here.

    Second I laugh when you talk about lies then do nothing but spout lies.

    You think Trump was honest in his dealings cause he's your guy. But really, unlike you, I have zero illusions that Hillary wasn't trying to cheat get way into the presidency. She for sure picked up where Republicans left off and paid for the Steele dossier. And she would have given her left nut to be the first woman president. But she thought she was the anointed one and lost.

    Where you also fail is the connection with the Steele dossier and the Russian investigation. Your news source has led you to believe two falsehoods. 1) t
    You think Trump was honest in his dealings cause he's your guyUm no, I think Trump Jr lying about the Trump tower meeting might have had something to do with it. Among a bunch of other red flags you are too dumb to admit. And 2) you think the investigation into the Steele dossier proves your point they were investigating Trump as part of a deep State operation headed by Hillary to take down Trump. Or whatever the fuck other shit you want to believe.

    I have linked to the Mueller report for the actual facts and below is the actual investigation into the Steele dossier.

    When you actually read those you'll see that your news source is lying too you. But you won't see it because you are too dumb to comprehend that.


    https://www.justice.gov/storage/120919-examination.pdf
    Yes, my "lies" that you're never quite able to identify and if you do try it's always some bullshit about how I was "misleading" when I made a statement of fact.


    You think Trump was honest in his dealings cause he's your guy Patented Hondo strawman ass fuck. I'm more than willing to believe Trump was being dishonest, but unlike you I need evidence to come to that conclusion. The fact that your snatch hurts isn't evidence and what little evidence you have cited like the Dossier that you were all in on, have turned out to be complete bullshit.


    And 2) you think the investigation into the Steele dossier proves your point they were investigating Trump as part of a deep State operation headed by Hillary to take down Trump. Or whatever the fuck other shit you want to believe.


    Bzzzt wrong. That's not what I fucking think. Why don't you try and address what I actually say instead of running it through that dishonet little pea-sized brain of yours Hondo?

    Fuck off Hondo

  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 33,048
    46XiJCAB said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    "ever since Hondo got here, all you guys talk about it Russia Russia Russia"

    @UW_Doog_Bot

    Actually, not being a lying fraud like you this topic never died here. There is a reason why this story is now in the news again, and there is a reason why you still continue to lie and avoid this story after pushing it with lies an bullshit for 3 years.
    Bob I'll address this one last time. First, you don't get that I'm poking fun at doog bot for whining that I started talking Russia Russia Russia when I got here.

    Second I laugh when you talk about lies then do nothing but spout lies.

    You think Trump was honest in his dealings cause he's your guy. But really, unlike you, I have zero illusions that Hillary wasn't trying to cheat get way into the presidency. She for sure picked up where Republicans left off and paid for the Steele dossier. And she would have given her left nut to be the first woman president. But she thought she was the anointed one and lost.

    Where you also fail is the connection with the Steele dossier and the Russian investigation. Your news source has led you to believe two falsehoods. 1) that the Steele dossier was the reason they started the Mueller investigation. Um no, I think Trump Jr lying about the Trump tower meeting might have had something to do with it. Among a bunch of other red flags you are too dumb to admit. And 2) you think the investigation into the Steele dossier proves your point they were investigating Trump as part of a deep State operation headed by Hillary to take down Trump. Or whatever the fuck other shit you want to believe.

    I have linked to the Mueller report for the actual facts and below is the actual investigation into the Steele dossier.

    When you actually read those you'll see that your news source is lying too you. But you won't see it because you are too dumb to comprehend that.


    https://www.justice.gov/storage/120919-examination.pdf
    The Trump/Russia BS was set in motion by two Clintonista operatives the night she lost. The corrupt media was more than willing to carry the water. None of it was remotely true.

    You point to a report that was compiled by corrupt DIM operatives posing as nonpartisan investigators seeking the truth. But Mueller was a Republican! So was Colin Powell and he no doubt voted for the B*tch like he voted Barry, twice.

    This shit is old and laughed at long ago. The new revelations are what count today, Skippy.
    You point to a report that was compiled by corrupt DIM operatives posing as nonpartisan investigators seeking the truth. But Mueller was a Republican! So was Colin Powell and he no doubt voted for the B*tch like he voted Barry, twice.

    Exactly, the "report" from the investigator who never interviewed Hillary, who never looked at the DNC servers who they claimed were hacked. Who never spoke with Fusion GPS and by his own admission never even heard of Fusion and that was filled with partisan Rats who dug around for nearly two years and never once brought a charge against anyone for colluding with the Russians to help Trump.
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 33,048
    edited November 2021
    Here's what I think Hondo. I think that Trump was already in the cross-hairs of the Obama Admin late in 2015 and early 2016. I think they had already set in motion ways that they could monitor Trump in order to assist Hillary by early 2016. I know that Hillary paid for the Dossier. And I know that an official investigation into Trump wasn't opened until the DOJ and FBI had been given the Dossier. I know that when they first applied for a FISA warrant they did so without using the Dossier and they were turned down. Something that is very rare. When the re-applied they used the Dossier as a source and it was granted. Claiming that the Dossier wasn't important to Trump being investigated is the real fucking lie here and it's one you've told for years Hondo.

    Speaking of lies, do you still tell the lie that the Dossier was first paid for by Republicans? Because that's another lie you told for years and I haven't ever seen where you admitted that you were lying out your ass when you made that claim Hondo.
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    SFGbob said:

    Here's what I think Hondo. I think that Trump was already in the cross-hairs of the Obama Admin late in 2015 and early 2016. I think they had already set in motion ways that they could monitor Trump in order to assist Hillary by early 2016. I know that Hillary paid for the Dossier. And I know that an official investigation into Trump wasn't opened until the DOJ and FBI had been given the Dossier. I know that when they first applied for a FISA warrant they did so without using the Dossier and they were turned down. Something that is very rare. When the re-applied they used the Dossier as a source and it was granted. Claiming that the Dossier wasn't important to Trump being investigated is the real fucking lie here and it's one you've told for years Hondo.

    Speaking of lies, do you still tell the lie that the Dossier was first paid for by Republicans? Because that's another lie you told for years and I haven't ever seen where you admitted that you were lying out your ass when you made that claim Hondo.

    Lil lyin Bob.

    Investigations
    The FBI Operation Crossfire Hurricane investigation into Russian interference, which started on July 31, 2016, was not triggered by the dossier,[44][42][43][88] but the dossier is still the subject of the Russia investigation origins counter-narrative, a conspiracy theory pushed by Trump and Fox News.

    The Mueller Report, a summary of the findings of the Special Counsel investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. elections, contained passing references to some of the dossier's allegations but little mention of its more sensational claims. It was a major subject of the Nunes memo, the Democratic rebuttal memo,[2] and the Inspector General report on the Crossfire Hurricane investigation.

    The investigations led to Fusion GPS founder Glenn Simpson being interviewed in August 2017 by Congress.[3]

    John Durham has been investigating whether FBI agents "mishandled classified information" about operation Crossfire Hurricane when they questioned Steele. The IG report documents that a case agent mentioned Papadopoulos to Steele. The FBI has no "established guidelines for how to address the disclosure of sensitive or classified information to sources", and the Inspector General "concluded that the case agent should not be faulted".[352]

    Durham sought to get more information by seeking access to evidence gathered in a British lawsuit filed by the founders of Alfa-Bank. A July 21, 2020, court filing shows that Durham has sought the lifting of "a protective order on evidence that had been gathered". Politico wrote that legal experts said this move was "highly unusual... and suggests the British government was not involved in, or cooperating with, Durham's criminal investigation".[352]

    Conspiracy theories
    The Russia investigation origins counter-narrative[353] is a right-wing alternative narrative,[354][355] sometimes identified as a conspiracy theory,[356][357][358] concerning the origins of the Special Counsel investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections. These conspiracy theories[359][360] have been pushed by Trump,[44] Fox News,[45] GOP politicians like Representative Jim Jordan (R-Ohio),[359] and Trump's Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe.[361] In May 2019, U.S. Attorney General William Barr appointed John Durham to perform an inquiry based on this conspiracy theory, an inquiry described as a cover-up to protect Trump.[362][363] On November 2, 2020, the day before the presidential election, New York magazine reported that:

    ... there has been no evidence found, after 18 months of investigation, to support Barr's claims that Trump was targeted by politically biased Obama officials to prevent his election. (The probe remains ongoing.) In fact, the sources said, the Durham investigation has so far uncovered no evidence of any wrongdoing by Biden or Barack Obama, or that they were even involved with the Russia investigation. There 'was no evidence ... not even remotely ... indicating Obama or Biden did anything wrong,' as one person put it.[364]
    The conspiracy theory aims to prove the dossier was used as an excuse for the FBI to start their Russia investigation. It also aims to discredit Steele and thus discredit the whole investigation.[365] The dossier could not have had any role in the opening of the Russia investigation on July 31, 2016, as top FBI officials received the dossier the following September.[366] Instead, it was the activities of George Papadopoulos which started the investigation.[367] The investigation by Inspector General Michael E. Horowitz into Russian interference and alleged FISA abuses found that "none of the evidence used to open the [original Crossfire Hurricane FBI] investigation" came from the C.I.A. or Trump–Russia dossier.[43]

    The founders of Fusion GPS did not expect their connections to Bruce and Nellie Ohr, Steele, Hillary Clinton, and the FBI to "become public and subsequently provide the framework for a deep-state conspiracy theory".[59]

    The dossier also figures as part of the Spygate conspiracy theory and conspiracy theories related to the Trump–Ukraine scandal. According to The Wall Street Journal, President Trump's actions in the Trump–Ukraine scandal stemmed from his belief that Ukraine was responsible for the Steele Dossier.[368][369] Trump has insinuated that the dossier had its origins in Ukraine, that the Clintons were involved, that Hillary Clinton's email server is currently secreted in Ukraine,[370] and that Clinton's deleted emails are in Ukraine.[357]

    The dossier is central to Republican assertions that Trump is the victim of an intelligence community conspiracy to take him down. Democrats see this focus on the dossier as conspiratorial.[371] Congressman Devin Nunes, a staunch Trump defender, asserted as fact that the dossier originated in Ukraine during his questioning of EU ambassador Gordon Sondland during the Trump impeachment inquiry hearings in September 2019.[372]

    Matt Gaetz and Jim Jordan have pushed a conspiracy theory that the dossier was based on Russian disinformation.[356] The Inspector General's investigative team and the FBI did examine this possibility, but Bill Priestap explained to the OIG that the FBI found no indications that such disinformation affected the dossier, and that it would make no sense for the Russians to undermine Trump.[38]




    And I've stated that Republicans and the Washington free beacon were paying fusion GPS until Trump was nominated. And Hillary started paying them around the time the Republicans stopped. I've also stated that Republicans started the dossier which is incorrect. Fusion started the dossier after Hillary engaged them.
  • WestlinnDuckWestlinnDuck Member Posts: 15,713 Standard Supporter
    edited November 2021
    Now one denied that the Republicans paid Fusion. It's not illegal to do oppo research. Was it illegal is that PIPS and the DNC paid Fusion for a fraudulent document that was used to get a fraudulent FISA warrant to illegally spy on the Trump campaign. That's why Durham is making air tight arrests and moving up the food chain. Unlike Mueller, who ignored the real food chain, made no arrests relating to Trump collusion and was happy to let the MSM and the congressional dems lie about Trump and collusion.

    Unsurprisingly, hondo sucks at this. Hoping his is sterile because this level of lying and mendacity isn't good for the human race. Our only hope is that he gets a Darwin Award nomination. When "useful idiot" is the lead on your resume your parents must be proud.
  • 46XiJCAB46XiJCAB Member Posts: 20,967
    Crossfire Hurricane resulted from the set up of Carter Page in London by an FBI operative. You've never listened to his story have you Hondo? The only thing that really matters. Without the Dossier, they never get their FISA. And the rubber stamped renewals. Period. Dummies still believe this BS and the Mueller report. The only thing that report is good for is ass wipe in a pinch. Make sure to soften it up first, Hondo.
  • 46XiJCAB46XiJCAB Member Posts: 20,967
    edited November 2021
    I'm guessing Hondo has a hard cover of the Mueller Report, in his outhouse. Where it belongs.
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 33,048
    edited November 2021
    as top FBI officials received the dossier the following September.

    "Top FBI officials" does that include all FBI officials Hondo? The DOJ? Steele was already shopping his Dossier in early July. You lied and claimed that Republican paid for the Dossier Hondo.
  • 46XiJCAB46XiJCAB Member Posts: 20,967
    McCain sent a staffer to London specifically to get a copy of the dossier. But it was only a minor player in the Russia Collusion hoax.
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 33,048
    edited November 2021
    And this is why Hondo the lying piece of shit said "Top FBI Officials"


    On July 5—the same day as then-FBI Director James Comey’s news conference exonerating Hillary Clinton—Christopher Steele provided his research to an FBI contact in Europe.[12] He also presented his research to British intelligence.[13] Later that month, then-Deputy Head of Counterintelligence Peter Strzok began supervising a probe into Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. presidential election process, including possible collusion with the Trump campaign.[14], [15]


    On July 29, Steele authored a memorandum alleging that Trump foreign-policy advisor Carter Page secretly met Russian officials in Moscow to discuss the lifting of sanctions against Russia over Ukraine and the possible release of Russia’s compromising dossier on Hillary Clinton.[16] In another memorandum, Steele alleged that a Trump associate “acknowledged that the Russian regime had been behind the recent leak of embarrassing e-mail messages, emanating from the Democratic National Committee (DNC), to the WikiLeaks platform.”[17] Also, a Trump associate “admitted that there was a well-developed conspiracy of co-operation between them and the Russian leadership. This was managed on the TRUMP side by the Republican candidate’s campaign manager, Paul MANAFORT, who was using foreign policy advisor, Carter PAGE, and others as intermediaries.”[18]


    The FBI was aware of the Dossier before they opened a formal investigation into Trump. My statement was 100% factually correct and as usual, the only liar here is you.
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 33,048
    Was Comey a "top FBI official" Hondo? How about Strzok?

    Published June 20,[8] Steele’s first memorandum alleged that the “Russian regime has been cultivating, supporting and assisting TRUMP for at least 5 years”; that Trump has “accepted a regular flow of intelligence from the Kremlin, including on his Democratic and other political rivals”; and the Russian Federal Security Service (FSB, formerly KGB) has “compromised TRUMP through his activities in Moscow sufficiently to be able to blackmail him.”[9] Among these are “perverted sexual acts which have been arranged/monitored by the FSB.”[10] Also, the Russian Intelligence Services had compiled a dossier on Hillary Clinton comprised mostly of bugged conversations and intercepted phone calls. This “dossier is controlled by Kremlin spokesman, PESKOV, directly on PUTIN’s orders.”[11]

    When did the FBI open a formal investigation of Trump Hondo? Was there an investigation prior to that of Trump? When did the FBI learn about the Dossier Hondo? Why is it everytime you accuse me of lying I expose you as the liar Hondo?
  • 46XiJCAB46XiJCAB Member Posts: 20,967
    SFGbob said:

    And this is why Hondo the lying piece of shit said "Top FBI Officials"


    On July 5—the same day as then-FBI Director James Comey’s news conference exonerating Hillary Clinton—Christopher Steele provided his research to an FBI contact in Europe.[12] He also presented his research to British intelligence.[13] Later that month, then-Deputy Head of Counterintelligence Peter Strzok began supervising a probe into Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. presidential election process, including possible collusion with the Trump campaign.[14], [15]


    On July 29, Steele authored a memorandum alleging that Trump foreign-policy advisor Carter Page secretly met Russian officials in Moscow to discuss the lifting of sanctions against Russia over Ukraine and the possible release of Russia’s compromising dossier on Hillary Clinton.[16] In another memorandum, Steele alleged that a Trump associate “acknowledged that the Russian regime had been behind the recent leak of embarrassing e-mail messages, emanating from the Democratic National Committee (DNC), to the WikiLeaks platform.”[17] Also, a Trump associate “admitted that there was a well-developed conspiracy of co-operation between them and the Russian leadership. This was managed on the TRUMP side by the Republican candidate’s campaign manager, Paul MANAFORT, who was using foreign policy advisor, Carter PAGE, and others as intermediaries.”[18]


    The FBI was aware of the Dossier before they opened a formal investigation into Trump. My statement was 100% factually correct and as usual, the only liar here is you.

    Maverick was shopping the dossier around DC.
  • 46XiJCAB46XiJCAB Member Posts: 20,967
    edited November 2021
    When Steele went to court in the UK he folded and would cop to any of the Dossier being true. The FBI knew from jump the Dossier was crap.
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 33,048
    46XiJCAB said:

    SFGbob said:

    And this is why Hondo the lying piece of shit said "Top FBI Officials"


    On July 5—the same day as then-FBI Director James Comey’s news conference exonerating Hillary Clinton—Christopher Steele provided his research to an FBI contact in Europe.[12] He also presented his research to British intelligence.[13] Later that month, then-Deputy Head of Counterintelligence Peter Strzok began supervising a probe into Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. presidential election process, including possible collusion with the Trump campaign.[14], [15]


    On July 29, Steele authored a memorandum alleging that Trump foreign-policy advisor Carter Page secretly met Russian officials in Moscow to discuss the lifting of sanctions against Russia over Ukraine and the possible release of Russia’s compromising dossier on Hillary Clinton.[16] In another memorandum, Steele alleged that a Trump associate “acknowledged that the Russian regime had been behind the recent leak of embarrassing e-mail messages, emanating from the Democratic National Committee (DNC), to the WikiLeaks platform.”[17] Also, a Trump associate “admitted that there was a well-developed conspiracy of co-operation between them and the Russian leadership. This was managed on the TRUMP side by the Republican candidate’s campaign manager, Paul MANAFORT, who was using foreign policy advisor, Carter PAGE, and others as intermediaries.”[18]


    The FBI was aware of the Dossier before they opened a formal investigation into Trump. My statement was 100% factually correct and as usual, the only liar here is you.

    Maverick was shopping the dossier around DC.
    You don't think Hillary couldn't get the opposition research that she had paid for, into the hands of the right people in order to do maximum damage? Hell wouldn't shock me if the Maverick was prompted by Hillary to do what he was doing.
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 33,048
    46XiJCAB said:

    When Steele went to court in the UK he folded and would cop to any of the Dossier being true. The FBI knew from jump the Dossier was crap.


    How hard would it have been for the FBI to find out that it was opposition research being paid for by Hillary? They had to have known early on that was the case and if they didn't it was wilfull ignorance.

    A series of 3 questions to Steele by the FBI would have been all it would have taken to uncover it.
  • 46XiJCAB46XiJCAB Member Posts: 20,967
    SFGbob said:

    46XiJCAB said:

    When Steele went to court in the UK he folded and would cop to any of the Dossier being true. The FBI knew from jump the Dossier was crap.


    How hard would it have been for the FBI to find out that it was opposition research being paid for by Hillary? They had to have known early on that was the case and if they didn't it was wilfull ignorance.

    A series of 3 questions to Steele by the FBI would have been all it would have taken to uncover it.
    When you know the answer, no need for the question, if the document in question, is helping your side. The 3 Monkeys at play.
  • GoduckiesGoduckies Member Posts: 6,846
    46XiJCAB said:

    She did it to take the focus off her server criminality and if the country need be thrown into turmoil, so what. That’s a level of narcissism and evil that borders on insanity.

    Exactly
  • GoduckiesGoduckies Member Posts: 6,846
    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    Here's what I think Hondo. I think that Trump was already in the cross-hairs of the Obama Admin late in 2015 and early 2016. I think they had already set in motion ways that they could monitor Trump in order to assist Hillary by early 2016. I know that Hillary paid for the Dossier. And I know that an official investigation into Trump wasn't opened until the DOJ and FBI had been given the Dossier. I know that when they first applied for a FISA warrant they did so without using the Dossier and they were turned down. Something that is very rare. When the re-applied they used the Dossier as a source and it was granted. Claiming that the Dossier wasn't important to Trump being investigated is the real fucking lie here and it's one you've told for years Hondo.

    Speaking of lies, do you still tell the lie that the Dossier was first paid for by Republicans? Because that's another lie you told for years and I haven't ever seen where you admitted that you were lying out your ass when you made that claim Hondo.

    Lil lyin Bob.

    Investigations
    The FBI Operation Crossfire Hurricane investigation into Russian interference, which started on July 31, 2016, was not triggered by the dossier,[44][42][43][88] but the dossier is still the subject of the Russia investigation origins counter-narrative, a conspiracy theory pushed by Trump and Fox News.

    The Mueller Report, a summary of the findings of the Special Counsel investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. elections, contained passing references to some of the dossier's allegations but little mention of its more sensational claims. It was a major subject of the Nunes memo, the Democratic rebuttal memo,[2] and the Inspector General report on the Crossfire Hurricane investigation.

    The investigations led to Fusion GPS founder Glenn Simpson being interviewed in August 2017 by Congress.[3]

    John Durham has been investigating whether FBI agents "mishandled classified information" about operation Crossfire Hurricane when they questioned Steele. The IG report documents that a case agent mentioned Papadopoulos to Steele. The FBI has no "established guidelines for how to address the disclosure of sensitive or classified information to sources", and the Inspector General "concluded that the case agent should not be faulted".[352]

    Durham sought to get more information by seeking access to evidence gathered in a British lawsuit filed by the founders of Alfa-Bank. A July 21, 2020, court filing shows that Durham has sought the lifting of "a protective order on evidence that had been gathered". Politico wrote that legal experts said this move was "highly unusual... and suggests the British government was not involved in, or cooperating with, Durham's criminal investigation".[352]

    Conspiracy theories
    The Russia investigation origins counter-narrative[353] is a right-wing alternative narrative,[354][355] sometimes identified as a conspiracy theory,[356][357][358] concerning the origins of the Special Counsel investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections. These conspiracy theories[359][360] have been pushed by Trump,[44] Fox News,[45] GOP politicians like Representative Jim Jordan (R-Ohio),[359] and Trump's Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe.[361] In May 2019, U.S. Attorney General William Barr appointed John Durham to perform an inquiry based on this conspiracy theory, an inquiry described as a cover-up to protect Trump.[362][363] On November 2, 2020, the day before the presidential election, New York magazine reported that:

    ... there has been no evidence found, after 18 months of investigation, to support Barr's claims that Trump was targeted by politically biased Obama officials to prevent his election. (The probe remains ongoing.) In fact, the sources said, the Durham investigation has so far uncovered no evidence of any wrongdoing by Biden or Barack Obama, or that they were even involved with the Russia investigation. There 'was no evidence ... not even remotely ... indicating Obama or Biden did anything wrong,' as one person put it.[364]
    The conspiracy theory aims to prove the dossier was used as an excuse for the FBI to start their Russia investigation. It also aims to discredit Steele and thus discredit the whole investigation.[365] The dossier could not have had any role in the opening of the Russia investigation on July 31, 2016, as top FBI officials received the dossier the following September.[366] Instead, it was the activities of George Papadopoulos which started the investigation.[367] The investigation by Inspector General Michael E. Horowitz into Russian interference and alleged FISA abuses found that "none of the evidence used to open the [original Crossfire Hurricane FBI] investigation" came from the C.I.A. or Trump–Russia dossier.[43]

    The founders of Fusion GPS did not expect their connections to Bruce and Nellie Ohr, Steele, Hillary Clinton, and the FBI to "become public and subsequently provide the framework for a deep-state conspiracy theory".[59]

    The dossier also figures as part of the Spygate conspiracy theory and conspiracy theories related to the Trump–Ukraine scandal. According to The Wall Street Journal, President Trump's actions in the Trump–Ukraine scandal stemmed from his belief that Ukraine was responsible for the Steele Dossier.[368][369] Trump has insinuated that the dossier had its origins in Ukraine, that the Clintons were involved, that Hillary Clinton's email server is currently secreted in Ukraine,[370] and that Clinton's deleted emails are in Ukraine.[357]

    The dossier is central to Republican assertions that Trump is the victim of an intelligence community conspiracy to take him down. Democrats see this focus on the dossier as conspiratorial.[371] Congressman Devin Nunes, a staunch Trump defender, asserted as fact that the dossier originated in Ukraine during his questioning of EU ambassador Gordon Sondland during the Trump impeachment inquiry hearings in September 2019.[372]

    Matt Gaetz and Jim Jordan have pushed a conspiracy theory that the dossier was based on Russian disinformation.[356] The Inspector General's investigative team and the FBI did examine this possibility, but Bill Priestap explained to the OIG that the FBI found no indications that such disinformation affected the dossier, and that it would make no sense for the Russians to undermine Trump.[38]




    And I've stated that Republicans and the Washington free beacon were paying fusion GPS until Trump was nominated. And Hillary started paying them around the time the Republicans stopped. I've also stated that Republicans started the dossier which is incorrect. Fusion started the dossier after Hillary engaged them.
    June is when Hillary talked to Obama about setting up Trump Russia crap, shocking they fbi opened the investigation then, shocking
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    Goduckies said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    Here's what I think Hondo. I think that Trump was already in the cross-hairs of the Obama Admin late in 2015 and early 2016. I think they had already set in motion ways that they could monitor Trump in order to assist Hillary by early 2016. I know that Hillary paid for the Dossier. And I know that an official investigation into Trump wasn't opened until the DOJ and FBI had been given the Dossier. I know that when they first applied for a FISA warrant they did so without using the Dossier and they were turned down. Something that is very rare. When the re-applied they used the Dossier as a source and it was granted. Claiming that the Dossier wasn't important to Trump being investigated is the real fucking lie here and it's one you've told for years Hondo.

    Speaking of lies, do you still tell the lie that the Dossier was first paid for by Republicans? Because that's another lie you told for years and I haven't ever seen where you admitted that you were lying out your ass when you made that claim Hondo.

    Lil lyin Bob.

    Investigations
    The FBI Operation Crossfire Hurricane investigation into Russian interference, which started on July 31, 2016, was not triggered by the dossier,[44][42][43][88] but the dossier is still the subject of the Russia investigation origins counter-narrative, a conspiracy theory pushed by Trump and Fox News.

    The Mueller Report, a summary of the findings of the Special Counsel investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. elections, contained passing references to some of the dossier's allegations but little mention of its more sensational claims. It was a major subject of the Nunes memo, the Democratic rebuttal memo,[2] and the Inspector General report on the Crossfire Hurricane investigation.

    The investigations led to Fusion GPS founder Glenn Simpson being interviewed in August 2017 by Congress.[3]

    John Durham has been investigating whether FBI agents "mishandled classified information" about operation Crossfire Hurricane when they questioned Steele. The IG report documents that a case agent mentioned Papadopoulos to Steele. The FBI has no "established guidelines for how to address the disclosure of sensitive or classified information to sources", and the Inspector General "concluded that the case agent should not be faulted".[352]

    Durham sought to get more information by seeking access to evidence gathered in a British lawsuit filed by the founders of Alfa-Bank. A July 21, 2020, court filing shows that Durham has sought the lifting of "a protective order on evidence that had been gathered". Politico wrote that legal experts said this move was "highly unusual... and suggests the British government was not involved in, or cooperating with, Durham's criminal investigation".[352]

    Conspiracy theories
    The Russia investigation origins counter-narrative[353] is a right-wing alternative narrative,[354][355] sometimes identified as a conspiracy theory,[356][357][358] concerning the origins of the Special Counsel investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections. These conspiracy theories[359][360] have been pushed by Trump,[44] Fox News,[45] GOP politicians like Representative Jim Jordan (R-Ohio),[359] and Trump's Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe.[361] In May 2019, U.S. Attorney General William Barr appointed John Durham to perform an inquiry based on this conspiracy theory, an inquiry described as a cover-up to protect Trump.[362][363] On November 2, 2020, the day before the presidential election, New York magazine reported that:

    ... there has been no evidence found, after 18 months of investigation, to support Barr's claims that Trump was targeted by politically biased Obama officials to prevent his election. (The probe remains ongoing.) In fact, the sources said, the Durham investigation has so far uncovered no evidence of any wrongdoing by Biden or Barack Obama, or that they were even involved with the Russia investigation. There 'was no evidence ... not even remotely ... indicating Obama or Biden did anything wrong,' as one person put it.[364]
    The conspiracy theory aims to prove the dossier was used as an excuse for the FBI to start their Russia investigation. It also aims to discredit Steele and thus discredit the whole investigation.[365] The dossier could not have had any role in the opening of the Russia investigation on July 31, 2016, as top FBI officials received the dossier the following September.[366] Instead, it was the activities of George Papadopoulos which started the investigation.[367] The investigation by Inspector General Michael E. Horowitz into Russian interference and alleged FISA abuses found that "none of the evidence used to open the [original Crossfire Hurricane FBI] investigation" came from the C.I.A. or Trump–Russia dossier.[43]

    The founders of Fusion GPS did not expect their connections to Bruce and Nellie Ohr, Steele, Hillary Clinton, and the FBI to "become public and subsequently provide the framework for a deep-state conspiracy theory".[59]

    The dossier also figures as part of the Spygate conspiracy theory and conspiracy theories related to the Trump–Ukraine scandal. According to The Wall Street Journal, President Trump's actions in the Trump–Ukraine scandal stemmed from his belief that Ukraine was responsible for the Steele Dossier.[368][369] Trump has insinuated that the dossier had its origins in Ukraine, that the Clintons were involved, that Hillary Clinton's email server is currently secreted in Ukraine,[370] and that Clinton's deleted emails are in Ukraine.[357]

    The dossier is central to Republican assertions that Trump is the victim of an intelligence community conspiracy to take him down. Democrats see this focus on the dossier as conspiratorial.[371] Congressman Devin Nunes, a staunch Trump defender, asserted as fact that the dossier originated in Ukraine during his questioning of EU ambassador Gordon Sondland during the Trump impeachment inquiry hearings in September 2019.[372]

    Matt Gaetz and Jim Jordan have pushed a conspiracy theory that the dossier was based on Russian disinformation.[356] The Inspector General's investigative team and the FBI did examine this possibility, but Bill Priestap explained to the OIG that the FBI found no indications that such disinformation affected the dossier, and that it would make no sense for the Russians to undermine Trump.[38]




    And I've stated that Republicans and the Washington free beacon were paying fusion GPS until Trump was nominated. And Hillary started paying them around the time the Republicans stopped. I've also stated that Republicans started the dossier which is incorrect. Fusion started the dossier after Hillary engaged them.
    June is when Hillary talked to Obama about setting up Trump Russia crap, shocking they fbi opened the investigation then, shocking
    So you agree that Bob is a liar and the dossier didn't trigger the Russian investigation.
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