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DeSean Jackson?

TTJTTJ Member Posts: 4,795
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http://deadspin.com/eagles-cut-desean-jackson-amid-claims-of-gang-ties-1553730474?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_facebook&utm_source=deadspin_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

So if you're Carrollschneider, would you touch DSJ with a ten foot pole? Guy can flat out play, and the Hawks could certainly use another playmaker at WR. Is he a gang member? I don't have the faintest idea. The evidence cited in this article sounds incredibly weak (and possibly trumped up by the Eagles for ulterior reasons). Dating back to his prep and Cal days, DSJ has certainly always seemed like a punk: Cocky attitude, prone to showboating, etc. That doesn't make him a Crip or a murderer. Might just mean he's young and brash and comes from a rough background.

Obviously, the Hawks have enjoyed huge contributions from guys others have labeled "thugs." Thoughts?
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  • TierbsHsotBoobsTierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680
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    TTJ said:

    http://deadspin.com/eagles-cut-desean-jackson-amid-claims-of-gang-ties-1553730474?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_facebook&utm_source=deadspin_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

    So if you're Carrollschneider, would you touch DSJ with a ten foot pole? Guy can flat out play, and the Hawks could certainly use another playmaker at WR. Is he a gang member? I don't have the faintest idea. The evidence cited in this article sounds incredibly weak (and possibly trumped up by the Eagles for ulterior reasons). Dating back to his prep and Cal days, DSJ has certainly always seemed like a punk: Cocky attitude, prone to showboating, etc. That doesn't make him a Crip or a murderer. Might just mean he's young and brash and comes from a rough background.

    Obviously, the Hawks have enjoyed huge contributions from guys others have labeled "thugs." Thoughts?

    A brief response:

    WHO WE ARE
    A Better LA, founded by NFL coach Pete Carroll, is a nonprofit organization that supports community-based solutions to restore peace, save lives, and give Angelenos living in inner city LA the resources they need in order to thrive. A Better LA works with trusted partners to bridge racial divides, create safer environments for children and families, rebuild communities, and empower individuals to create better futures for themselves. By partnering with community-based organizations, A Better LA enables sustainable transformation to take root from within, offering all Angelenos reason to hope for a better tomorrow.

    THE PROBLEM
    “Los Angeles…is, unfortunately, the gang capital of America.”

    “We have a serious interracial violence problem in this county involving blacks and Latinos.” - Los Angeles Sheriff Lee Baca

    Over the past two decades, the City of Los Angeles has become the “gang capital” of the nation. Today, there are more than 450 active gangs in the city of Los Angeles alone. Many of these gangs have been in existence for over 50 years. Together, they have a combined membership of over 45,000 individuals.

    In Los Angeles, gang homicides account for the majority of homicides among 15 to 24-year-olds - 61 and 69 percent, respectively - and are the second leading cause of death among people aged 15 to 24. African Americans and Latinos account for the majority of gang-related fatalities, fueled by growing black-brown racial tensions. Changing demographics, a downturn in the economy, gang turf battles, language differences, and racial and cultural bigotry have all contributed to this phenomenon.

    While homicides dominate the headlines, however, simply living in gang-ridden communities affects the health and welfare of families. “Invisible lines” drawn by gangs to designate their turf cause children to live in a constant state of fear, wondering if walking to school or crossing the street puts them in harm’s way. Many families lose one or both parents to violence or jail, leaving children and estranged family members subject to emotional and physical abuse, hunger, and neglect.

    It’s no wonder, then, that those living in areas of Los Angeles plagued by gang violence have a higher prevalence of post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) than troops returning from combat zones. Their experiences are similar, with one significant caveat: theirs are combat zones they also call “home,” and cannot, therefore, escape.

    Studies show that low-income youths, like the 300,000 living in Los Angeles' gang "hot zones," are at the greatest risk. 90 percent of these children and teens have been victims or witnesses of felony-level violence. A fifth of the youths living in these areas suffer from clinical depression, and fully one third have PTSD. In addition, chronic stress from growing up in violent neighborhoods produces elevated levels of certain chemicals and hormones that impair brain development in children. Specifically, the areas of the brain impacted are those responsible for learning, memory, concentration and regulating emotions and actions.

    Exposure to violence not only has serious mental health consequences, but is also linked with a range of chronic illnesses, including heart and lung diseases and diabetes. Neuroscientists have found that this type of trauma changes how chromosomes form, and can shorten a person’s life expectancy by 7-10 years. The secondary effects of violence, therefore, can often be as damaging as the violent acts themselves.

    Gang violence deprives children and families of their lives – both literally and figuratively. Those who survive must grapple with the emotional effects of living in a violent atmosphere they cannot escape. ABLA seeks to change this reality, by supporting community-based solutions that enable individuals living in these areas to lead safer, more fulfilling, and hopeful lives.

    ABLA'S APPROACH
    In 2003, Pete Carroll was driving to USC football practice, when the radio station he was listening to announced that yet another child from Los Angeles – the seventh that week - had been victimized by gang violence.

    Pete felt compelled to do something to help stop the violence. In April 2003, he invited LA community leaders to gather, collaborate, and envision a new identity – one of peace, cohesion, and prosperity - for LA’s toughest neighborhoods. Their goal, in short, was to build “A Better LA.”

    Today, A Better LA supports community-based organizations and individuals who work to reduce and prevent gang violence, as well as organizations that offer opportunities for citizens to improve the socio-economic climate of inner city Los Angeles. Some ABLA-funded entities are led by individuals who grew up in or around gangs, engaged in gang activity, and ultimately turned their lives around to become positive agents of change in their own communities. Other ABLA partners empower children and individuals to lead more fulfilling and hopeful lives, through job training and placement, tutoring, after-school activities, scholarships, and mentorship. ABLA seeks out partners who believe that “saving lives” involves not only reducing violence, but also creating opportunities that enable communities to prosper.

    Gang prevention and intervention
    ABLA’s gang prevention and intervention strategy focuses on working from the “inside-out” - that is, working within a community to effect change, rather than from the “outside-in.” This approach capitalizes on the power of long-term relationships, a shared identity, and trust. It also enables ABLA’s partners to connect with their community members in ways that others cannot. Many of ABLA’s outreach workers are drawn to this work, because they feel compelled to right the wrongs committed by them or the gangs they were previously affiliated with. By setting a positive example for the next generation, they are able to use their experiences to save and transform lives.

    Becoming an ABLA outreach worker, however, is no simple feat. Those seeking ABLA’s support undergo a lengthy and rigorous vetting process. They usually come to ABLA through recommendations from trusted sources, are interviewed by law enforcement, undergo background checks, and then embark on an 18-week intensive training program. Once trained, ABLA determines whether they meet the rigorous standards required for partnership and funding. If so, ABLA provides ongoing support, training, oversight, and mentorship, which enable outreach workers to commit all of their attention, time and efforts to bettering their communities.

    ABLA’s outreach workers are trained in gang intervention and prevention protocols and best practices. ABLA literally saves lives, by facilitating truces and mediating disagreements between gangs before they erupt in violence. ABLA’s strong community relationships enable outreach workers to open lines of communication between rival gangs, and reach out to law enforcement when reinforcement of peace-keeping measures are necessary.
  • dncdnc Member Posts: 56,614
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    TTJ said:

    http://deadspin.com/eagles-cut-desean-jackson-amid-claims-of-gang-ties-1553730474?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_facebook&utm_source=deadspin_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

    So if you're Carrollschneider, would you touch DSJ with a ten foot pole? Guy can flat out play, and the Hawks could certainly use another playmaker at WR. Is he a gang member? I don't have the faintest idea. The evidence cited in this article sounds incredibly weak (and possibly trumped up by the Eagles for ulterior reasons). Dating back to his prep and Cal days, DSJ has certainly always seemed like a punk: Cocky attitude, prone to showboating, etc. That doesn't make him a Crip or a murderer. Might just mean he's young and brash and comes from a rough background.

    Obviously, the Hawks have enjoyed huge contributions from guys others have labeled "thugs." Thoughts?

    A brief response:

    WHO WE ARE
    A Better LA, founded by NFL coach Pete Carroll, is a nonprofit organization that supports community-based solutions to restore peace, save lives, and give Angelenos living in inner city LA the resources they need in order to thrive. A Better LA works with trusted partners to bridge racial divides, create safer environments for children and families, rebuild communities, and empower individuals to create better futures for themselves. By partnering with community-based organizations, A Better LA enables sustainable transformation to take root from within, offering all Angelenos reason to hope for a better tomorrow.

    THE PROBLEM
    “Los Angeles…is, unfortunately, the gang capital of America.”

    “We have a serious interracial violence problem in this county involving blacks and Latinos.” - Los Angeles Sheriff Lee Baca

    Over the past two decades, the City of Los Angeles has become the “gang capital” of the nation. Today, there are more than 450 active gangs in the city of Los Angeles alone. Many of these gangs have been in existence for over 50 years. Together, they have a combined membership of over 45,000 individuals.

    In Los Angeles, gang homicides account for the majority of homicides among 15 to 24-year-olds - 61 and 69 percent, respectively - and are the second leading cause of death among people aged 15 to 24. African Americans and Latinos account for the majority of gang-related fatalities, fueled by growing black-brown racial tensions. Changing demographics, a downturn in the economy, gang turf battles, language differences, and racial and cultural bigotry have all contributed to this phenomenon.

    While homicides dominate the headlines, however, simply living in gang-ridden communities affects the health and welfare of families. “Invisible lines” drawn by gangs to designate their turf cause children to live in a constant state of fear, wondering if walking to school or crossing the street puts them in harm’s way. Many families lose one or both parents to violence or jail, leaving children and estranged family members subject to emotional and physical abuse, hunger, and neglect.

    It’s no wonder, then, that those living in areas of Los Angeles plagued by gang violence have a higher prevalence of post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) than troops returning from combat zones. Their experiences are similar, with one significant caveat: theirs are combat zones they also call “home,” and cannot, therefore, escape.

    Studies show that low-income youths, like the 300,000 living in Los Angeles' gang "hot zones," are at the greatest risk. 90 percent of these children and teens have been victims or witnesses of felony-level violence. A fifth of the youths living in these areas suffer from clinical depression, and fully one third have PTSD. In addition, chronic stress from growing up in violent neighborhoods produces elevated levels of certain chemicals and hormones that impair brain development in children. Specifically, the areas of the brain impacted are those responsible for learning, memory, concentration and regulating emotions and actions.

    Exposure to violence not only has serious mental health consequences, but is also linked with a range of chronic illnesses, including heart and lung diseases and diabetes. Neuroscientists have found that this type of trauma changes how chromosomes form, and can shorten a person’s life expectancy by 7-10 years. The secondary effects of violence, therefore, can often be as damaging as the violent acts themselves.

    Gang violence deprives children and families of their lives – both literally and figuratively. Those who survive must grapple with the emotional effects of living in a violent atmosphere they cannot escape. ABLA seeks to change this reality, by supporting community-based solutions that enable individuals living in these areas to lead safer, more fulfilling, and hopeful lives.

    ABLA'S APPROACH
    In 2003, Pete Carroll was driving to USC football practice, when the radio station he was listening to announced that yet another child from Los Angeles – the seventh that week - had been victimized by gang violence.

    Pete felt compelled to do something to help stop the violence. In April 2003, he invited LA community leaders to gather, collaborate, and envision a new identity – one of peace, cohesion, and prosperity - for LA’s toughest neighborhoods. Their goal, in short, was to build “A Better LA.”

    Today, A Better LA supports community-based organizations and individuals who work to reduce and prevent gang violence, as well as organizations that offer opportunities for citizens to improve the socio-economic climate of inner city Los Angeles. Some ABLA-funded entities are led by individuals who grew up in or around gangs, engaged in gang activity, and ultimately turned their lives around to become positive agents of change in their own communities. Other ABLA partners empower children and individuals to lead more fulfilling and hopeful lives, through job training and placement, tutoring, after-school activities, scholarships, and mentorship. ABLA seeks out partners who believe that “saving lives” involves not only reducing violence, but also creating opportunities that enable communities to prosper.

    Gang prevention and intervention
    ABLA’s gang prevention and intervention strategy focuses on working from the “inside-out” - that is, working within a community to effect change, rather than from the “outside-in.” This approach capitalizes on the power of long-term relationships, a shared identity, and trust. It also enables ABLA’s partners to connect with their community members in ways that others cannot. Many of ABLA’s outreach workers are drawn to this work, because they feel compelled to right the wrongs committed by them or the gangs they were previously affiliated with. By setting a positive example for the next generation, they are able to use their experiences to save and transform lives.

    Becoming an ABLA outreach worker, however, is no simple feat. Those seeking ABLA’s support undergo a lengthy and rigorous vetting process. They usually come to ABLA through recommendations from trusted sources, are interviewed by law enforcement, undergo background checks, and then embark on an 18-week intensive training program. Once trained, ABLA determines whether they meet the rigorous standards required for partnership and funding. If so, ABLA provides ongoing support, training, oversight, and mentorship, which enable outreach workers to commit all of their attention, time and efforts to bettering their communities.

    ABLA’s outreach workers are trained in gang intervention and prevention protocols and best practices. ABLA literally saves lives, by facilitating truces and mediating disagreements between gangs before they erupt in violence. ABLA’s strong community relationships enable outreach workers to open lines of communication between rival gangs, and reach out to law enforcement when reinforcement of peace-keeping measures are necessary.
    Agree















    ABLA > NAMBLA

    Hi Kim!
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 11,453
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    I hope the Seahawks do sign him just because Softy on twitter today said no chance they even go after him.

    So I just want Softy to be wrong.
  • dncdnc Member Posts: 56,614
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    Some team is going to hit the jaccpot when they sign him on the cheap.
  • Ron_FairlyRon_Fairly Member Posts: 368
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    Seahawks allegedly showing interest. if they can get him for cheap go for it. Otherwise WDWHA
  • dncdnc Member Posts: 56,614
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    Seahawks allegedly showing interest. if they can get him for cheap go for it. Otherwise WDWHA

    As a receiver he's not really the best fit. They need a tall, strong receiver more than another quick little guy.

    OTOH, anytime you can add a playmaker on the cheap, you go for it. Harvin and Jaccson would make for some serious defensive headaches, and Jaccson gives you some insurance against another Harvin injury. And, despite their similar builds and quickness, Jaccson's a natural receiver who is comfortable going deep, whereas Harvin is more of a short and immediate route guy. Plus, they need a punt returner.

    Hell, the more I think about it, the more I think he's a better fit than I realized. You can sign him for a short term cheap deal, let him establish he's not a crab and build his value while playing for a winner and a coach he can get along with in Carroll.

    Win-win.
  • SteveInSheltonSteveInShelton Member Posts: 1,611
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    Jackson and Harvin would be pretty awesome. Carroll certainly wouldn't be worried. Jackson would be a big upgrade over Tate in terms of punt returning too. Doooo it!
  • dncdnc Member Posts: 56,614
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    Jackson and Harvin would be pretty awesome. Carroll certainly wouldn't be worried. Jackson would be a big upgrade over Tate in terms of punt returning too. Doooo it!

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  • dhdawgdhdawg Member Posts: 13,326
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    La Canfora expects them to be major players, Farrar echoes that.
    If it's on a 1 year deal but they could still get thomas a contract and maybe sherman as well this offseason I'm all for it
  • RoadDawg55RoadDawg55 Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 30,123
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    Lynch, Harvin, Jackson, and Kearse getting 1 on 1 jump balls. Not to mention a reliable WR in Doug Baldwin. That's a scary offense.
  • dhdawgdhdawg Member Posts: 13,326
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    it's the perfect fit, friends with lynch, recruited by Carroll. Would be a good fit in an offense built on run and then going over the top, also extending the play. If the cost is above 6 guaranteed I'm not sure about it though. Would love it if the price is right
  • allpurpleallgoldallpurpleallgold Member Posts: 8,771
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    I'm really interested in what they're worried about. It mentions that everyone is worried about an Aaron Hernadez situation. But why? What consequences did the Patriots face? They lost Hernadez. That's it. They didn't lose ticket sales. Who gives a fuck?
  • TierbsHsotBoobsTierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680
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    Nothing says being SERIOUS about ending gang violence quite like signing a gangbanger.
  • RaccoonHarryRaccoonHarry Member Posts: 2,160
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    If I'm an NFL owner and one of my players flashed gang signs it would be door, ass, out. Oh yeah, blowing off team meetings and not returning calls from the head coach wouldn't be real high on my tolerance list either. He'll end up with the Raiders where his career will end up in the shitter. And it's nobody's fault but his.
  • RoadDawg55RoadDawg55 Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 30,123
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    No way the Seahawks get him. Too many teams with more cap room. Even taking a show me, one year deal with the Seahawks is stupid. They don't throw enough for a WR to put up huge stats. The Jets have to do everything possible to get him and they have a shitload of cap space.

    The gang member bullshit is ridiculous. Probably every black NFL player from an inner city knows gang members.
  • dncdnc Member Posts: 56,614
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    No way the Seahawks get him. Too many teams with more cap room. Even taking a show me, one year deal with the Seahawks is stupid. They don't throw enough for a WR to put up huge stats. The Jets have to do everything possible to get him and they have a shitload of cap space.

    The gang member bullshit is ridiculous. Probably every black NFL player from an inner city knows gang members.

    I knew plenty of gang members growing up in West Seattle, and I'm whiter than the Mick.
  • PurpleMicrodotPurpleMicrodot Member Posts: 66
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    dnc said:

    No way the Seahawks get him. Too many teams with more cap room. Even taking a show me, one year deal with the Seahawks is stupid. They don't throw enough for a WR to put up huge stats. The Jets have to do everything possible to get him and they have a shitload of cap space.

    The gang member bullshit is ridiculous. Probably every black NFL player from an inner city knows gang members.

    I knew plenty of gang members growing up in West Seattle, and I'm whiter than plss' klan sheet.
  • TTJTTJ Member Posts: 4,795
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    The gang member bullshit is ridiculous. Probably every black NFL player from an inner city knows gang members.

    This.

    Also, http://whitechicksgangsigns.tumblr.com/
  • Fire_Marshall_BillFire_Marshall_Bill Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 22,778
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    He's not a gang member. Does he know gangbangers? Yes, and so what. He doesn't have a record. my problem with him is his attitude and work ethic.

    If they can get him for cheap (highly unlikely), sure, do it.
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