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  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,496 Standard Supporter
    gmo said:

    lunatic fringe is a great band name.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XdFExsqoC4

    Accept no substitutes.

    @LoudenSwainDawg, true?

  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,386 Standard Supporter

    The problem with Wilner’s take is that he’s saying we aren’t all that talented this year. Jimmy Lake is about to miss a bowl game with a team that has a 40+% blue chip ratio. On paper, we have the talent.

    So if that talent isn’t producing, whose fault is that? If all of our hires are either no names, internal promotions, or alumni, whose fault is that? If we are bad now and Wilner says no second year coach should be fired, doesn’t that mean there be some hope for the future? What is that hope? What has happened over the last 19 months that makes us think this is redeemable with the current regime in charge?

    In short, FYFMFE

    I don’t think we are especially talented and the blue chip stuff was always bullshit. A lot of them have transferred and most of them were low 4 star guys that the blue bloods didn’t want.

    The Clemson of the West stuff was always bullshit because Clemson and the other schools on the list have/had way more actually elite, top 50-100 guys.
  • haie
    haie Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 24,388 Founders Club
    A bottom feeder UW team is more efficient for Jon than Pornhub.
  • HFNY
    HFNY Member Posts: 5,502
    edited October 2021
    Wilner is a Cal fan, right? So he must be pining for Jimmy Fake to return so that Cal has a good chance of beating UW down there next year.
  • gmo
    gmo Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 3,888 Founders Club

    gmo said:

    lunatic fringe is a great band name.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XdFExsqoC4

    Accept no substitutes.

    @LoudenSwainDawg, true?

    well shit, no wonder!

    old school.

    thanks for that
  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,386 Standard Supporter

    The problem with Wilner’s take is that he’s saying we aren’t all that talented this year. Jimmy Lake is about to miss a bowl game with a team that has a 40+% blue chip ratio. On paper, we have the talent.

    So if that talent isn’t producing, whose fault is that? If all of our hires are either no names, internal promotions, or alumni, whose fault is that? If we are bad now and Wilner says no second year coach should be fired, doesn’t that mean there be some hope for the future? What is that hope? What has happened over the last 19 months that makes us think this is redeemable with the current regime in charge?

    In short, FYFMFE

    I don’t think we are especially talented and the blue chip stuff was always bullshit. A lot of them have transferred and most of them were low 4 star guys that the blue bloods didn’t want.

    The Clemson of the West stuff was always bullshit because Clemson and the other schools on the list have/had way more actually elite, top 50-100 guys.
    The team is not super talented but when stacked up vs the feast of the conference they should be no
    Worse that 7-2 with an average coach.

    You’re more talented than these schools.

    Osu
    Wazzu
    Arizona
    Cal
    Stanford
    Colorado

    Have as much talent as the rest of the teams to go 1-2. It’s about what you’re doing with the talent you have vs your peers and it is an under Performence of epic proportions.


    Completely agree. And a lot of it does have to do with a lack of development, shitty schemes, and the shitty culture. I just don’t see a ton of guys that I think are genuinely good. A lot of average or worse players in our two deeps.
  • chuck
    chuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 11,805 Swaye's Wigwam

    The problem with Wilner’s take is that he’s saying we aren’t all that talented this year. Jimmy Lake is about to miss a bowl game with a team that has a 40+% blue chip ratio. On paper, we have the talent.

    So if that talent isn’t producing, whose fault is that? If all of our hires are either no names, internal promotions, or alumni, whose fault is that? If we are bad now and Wilner says no second year coach should be fired, doesn’t that mean there be some hope for the future? What is that hope? What has happened over the last 19 months that makes us think this is redeemable with the current regime in charge?

    In short, FYFMFE

    I don’t think we are especially talented and the blue chip stuff was always bullshit. A lot of them have transferred and most of them were low 4 star guys that the blue bloods didn’t want.

    The Clemson of the West stuff was always bullshit because Clemson and the other schools on the list have/had way more actually elite, top 50-100 guys.
    The team is not super talented but when stacked up vs the feast of the conference they should be no
    Worse that 7-2 with an average coach.

    You’re more talented than these schools.

    Osu
    Wazzu
    Arizona
    Cal
    Stanford
    Colorado

    Have as much talent as the rest of the teams to go 1-2. It’s about what you’re doing with the talent you have vs your peers and it is an under Performence of epic proportions.


    Completely agree. And a lot of it does have to do with a lack of development, shitty schemes, and the shitty culture. I just don’t see a ton of guys that I think are genuinely good. A lot of average or worse players in our two deeps.
    They don't look good because of the reasons you mentioned in your first sentence. Talented players with bad schemes and bad coaching look average or below at all the other schools with high blue chop ratio too.

    Your assertion that the roster is dominated by low 4* that nobody else wanted isn't true either. That wasn't the case in any of Petersens classes.
  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,386 Standard Supporter
    chuck said:

    The problem with Wilner’s take is that he’s saying we aren’t all that talented this year. Jimmy Lake is about to miss a bowl game with a team that has a 40+% blue chip ratio. On paper, we have the talent.

    So if that talent isn’t producing, whose fault is that? If all of our hires are either no names, internal promotions, or alumni, whose fault is that? If we are bad now and Wilner says no second year coach should be fired, doesn’t that mean there be some hope for the future? What is that hope? What has happened over the last 19 months that makes us think this is redeemable with the current regime in charge?

    In short, FYFMFE

    I don’t think we are especially talented and the blue chip stuff was always bullshit. A lot of them have transferred and most of them were low 4 star guys that the blue bloods didn’t want.

    The Clemson of the West stuff was always bullshit because Clemson and the other schools on the list have/had way more actually elite, top 50-100 guys.
    The team is not super talented but when stacked up vs the feast of the conference they should be no
    Worse that 7-2 with an average coach.

    You’re more talented than these schools.

    Osu
    Wazzu
    Arizona
    Cal
    Stanford
    Colorado

    Have as much talent as the rest of the teams to go 1-2. It’s about what you’re doing with the talent you have vs your peers and it is an under Performence of epic proportions.


    Completely agree. And a lot of it does have to do with a lack of development, shitty schemes, and the shitty culture. I just don’t see a ton of guys that I think are genuinely good. A lot of average or worse players in our two deeps.
    They don't look good because of the reasons you mentioned in your first sentence. Talented players with bad schemes and bad coaching look average or below at all the other schools with high blue chop ratio too.

    Your assertion that the roster is dominated by low 4* that nobody else wanted isn't true either. That wasn't the case in any of Petersens classes.
    I don’t think it’s dominated by them. We have had a lot of four star busts tho.