Imagine someone paying you $3 million

LawDawg1

A year and all you have to do is hire a marginally competent OC to keep that salary (and more) forever because you’d likely never get fired. And then you hire JonDon.

HFNY

I don't know, if the season goes how I expect it to do, I suspect Lake will have a couch sale.

And take all the screen shots you want!

NeGgaPlEaSe

HFNY said:

I don't know, if the season goes how I expect it to do, I suspect Lake will have a couch sale.

And take all the screen shots you want!

His own... Metrics show no coordinator to head coach who fires his coordinators is successful during his first stent. Let Lake go to Bama... Why is UW him to learn on the job?

StLouisDawg

Psychologically it’s fascinating.

Coaches are leaders who must project certainty and faith in their decisions to motivate their team. Especially when belief is a major factor for a win. Nothing in that scenario allows for mistakes.

But a coach must also adapt to win. Which means acknowledging mistakes, and to do that effectively you have to do that quickly. Hard job, really.

insinceredawg

LawDawg1 said:

A year and all you have to do is hire a marginally competent OC to keep that salary (and more) forever because you’d likely never get fired. And then you hire JonDon.

Imagine having a blank check (supposedly) to hire any OC you want and then go dumpster diving through the coaching staff of the worse franchise in the NFL and settling on the fucking assistant to the RB coach to run your offense. This will forever be the most WTF assistant hire in the history of the program and a real AD would have vetoed it on the spot.

Joey

Mission Accomplished

Tequilla

JoeEDangerously said:

Mission Accomplished

In all 3 phases

DerekJohnson

insinceredawg said:

LawDawg1 said:

A year and all you have to do is hire a marginally competent OC to keep that salary (and more) forever because you’d likely never get fired. And then you hire JonDon.

Imagine having a blank check (supposedly) to hire any OC you want and then go dumpster diving through the coaching staff of the worse franchise in the NFL and settling on the fucking assistant to the RB coach to run your offense. This will forever be the most WTF assistant hire in the history of the program and a real AD would have vetoed it on the spot.

Perfectly put

FireCohen

insinceredawg said:

LawDawg1 said:

A year and all you have to do is hire a marginally competent OC to keep that salary (and more) forever because you’d likely never get fired. And then you hire JonDon.

Imagine having a blank check (supposedly) to hire any OC you want and then go dumpster diving through the coaching staff of the worse franchise in the NFL and settling on the fucking assistant to the RB coach to run your offense. This will forever be the most WTF assistant hire in the history of the program and a real AD would have vetoed it on the spot.

But he has very innovative offense for 1950

thechatch

Lotta guys at the FCS level that are tearing it up with innovative, forward thinking concepts he could have plucked easily.

The fact that Ian Shoemaker is still at EWU fucking baffles me.

RoadDawg55

insinceredawg said:

LawDawg1 said:

A year and all you have to do is hire a marginally competent OC to keep that salary (and more) forever because you’d likely never get fired. And then you hire JonDon.

Imagine having a blank check (supposedly) to hire any OC you want and then go dumpster diving through the coaching staff of the worse franchise in the NFL and settling on the fucking assistant to the RB coach to run your offense. This will forever be the most WTF assistant hire in the history of the program and a real AD would have vetoed it on the spot.

I don’t know how even the idea of hiring a guy that was quite possibly the worst OC in the country at Penn State was considered.

Somehow I thought we would be decent this year. At least a notch above last year.

Fire_Marshall_Bill

black coaches always take over downtrodden teams

chuck

thechatch said:

Lotta guys at the FCS level that are tearing it up with innovative, forward thinking concepts he could have plucked easily.

The fact that Ian Shoemaker is still at EWU fucking baffles me.

This is what I've been calling for since RN was fired. Hire guys who are doing something cool and kicking ass at a lower level FBS or FCS school. They'll do that wherever they go in most cases. Winners win according to what I've read here.

TTJ

chuck said:

thechatch said:

Lotta guys at the FCS level that are tearing it up with innovative, forward thinking concepts he could have plucked easily.

The fact that Ian Shoemaker is still at EWU fucking baffles me.

This is what I've been calling for since RN was fired. Hire guys who are doing something cool and kicking ass at a lower level FBS or FCS school. They'll do that wherever they go in most cases. Winners win according to what I've read here.

I know you’re being sarcastic. But the Jaguars are an FCS team.

chuck

TTJ said:

chuck said:

thechatch said:

Lotta guys at the FCS level that are tearing it up with innovative, forward thinking concepts he could have plucked easily.

The fact that Ian Shoemaker is still at EWU fucking baffles me.

This is what I've been calling for since RN was fired. Hire guys who are doing something cool and kicking ass at a lower level FBS or FCS school. They'll do that wherever they go in most cases. Winners win according to what I've read here.

I know you’re being sarcastic. But the Jaguars are an FCS team.

JonDon supports my case, in a sense, just on the opposite end of the success spectrum.

RoadDawg55

chuck said:

thechatch said:

Lotta guys at the FCS level that are tearing it up with innovative, forward thinking concepts he could have plucked easily.

The fact that Ian Shoemaker is still at EWU fucking baffles me.

This is what I've been calling for since RN was fired. Hire guys who are doing something cool and kicking ass at a lower level FBS or FCS school. They'll do that wherever they go in most cases. Winners win according to what I've read here.

It really is that easy. I don’t you have to necessarily have the QB guru coordinate the offense, but you need a guy that has a history of developing QB’s. Donovan has never developed a QB. Christian Hackenberg went from having a good freshman year to being utter dogshit under Donovan. He was probably overrated all along, but Donovan did a terrible job. It’s the most important position in football.

Btw, I would love UW to hire Brian Hartline from Ohio State as OC and bring Urban’s son in law in as the QB coach. Maybe he would bring a different QB coach in. Hartline is an Ohio State guy, but the UW OC job would be a jump starter to a head coaching job if the coordinator came in and made the offense legit. He might not come, but for around a million I think he would at least strongly consider it. He only makes $550,000 now. The guy is charismatic, commands respect from his playing and coaching days and is a beast recruiter.

Hartline and Corey Dennis would help recruiting (Ohio State recruits nationally and Hartline pulled in Gee and Egbuka), they are young and hip, and they know what a good offense looks like because they are actually part of a coaching staff that has a great offense every year. Hartline would very likely make it so the talented young WR’s stay. I think it’s over 50% that McMilland and/or Odunze bolt if we botch the OC hire. Just a name that wouldn’t piss me off if we made it happen.

AtomicDawg

chuck said:

thechatch said:

Lotta guys at the FCS level that are tearing it up with innovative, forward thinking concepts he could have plucked easily.

The fact that Ian Shoemaker is still at EWU fucking baffles me.

This is what I've been calling for since RN was fired. Hire guys who are doing something cool and kicking ass at a lower level FBS or FCS school. They'll do that wherever they go in most cases. Winners win according to what I've read here.

I like this idea. But it still is a crapshoot. Troy Taylor sucked at Utah and beau baldwin sucked at cal. That said hiring a known crappy oc that had given up on his career to the point where he was an asst to the running backs coach is beyond embarrassing.

LawDawg1

RoadDawg55 said:

chuck said:

thechatch said:

Lotta guys at the FCS level that are tearing it up with innovative, forward thinking concepts he could have plucked easily.

The fact that Ian Shoemaker is still at EWU fucking baffles me.

This is what I've been calling for since RN was fired. Hire guys who are doing something cool and kicking ass at a lower level FBS or FCS school. They'll do that wherever they go in most cases. Winners win according to what I've read here.

. I think it’s over 50% that McMilland and/or Odunze bolt if we botch the OC hire. Just a name that wouldn’t piss me off if we made it happen.

What makes you think we will fire DonJon to be able to botch a new hire?

AtomicDawg

RoadDawg55 said:

chuck said:

thechatch said:

Lotta guys at the FCS level that are tearing it up with innovative, forward thinking concepts he could have plucked easily.

The fact that Ian Shoemaker is still at EWU fucking baffles me.

This is what I've been calling for since RN was fired. Hire guys who are doing something cool and kicking ass at a lower level FBS or FCS school. They'll do that wherever they go in most cases. Winners win according to what I've read here.

It really is that easy. I don’t you have to necessarily have the QB guru coordinate the offense, but you need a guy that has a history of developing QB’s. Donovan has never developed a QB. Christian Hackenberg went from having a good freshman year to being utter dogshit under Donovan. He was probably overrated all along, but Donovan did a terrible job. It’s the most important position in football.

Btw, I would love UW to hire Brian Hartline from Ohio State as OC and bring Urban’s son in law in as the QB coach. Maybe he would bring a different QB coach in. Hartline is an Ohio State guy, but the UW OC job would be a jump starter to a head coaching job if the coordinator came in and made the offense legit. He might not come, but for around a million I think he would at least strongly consider it. He only makes $550,000 now. The guy is charismatic, commands respect from his playing and coaching days and is a beast recruiter.

Hartline and Corey Dennis would help recruiting (Ohio State recruits nationally and Hartline pulled in Gee and Egbuka), they are young and hip, and they know what a good offense looks like because they are actually part of a coaching staff that has a great offense every year. Hartline would very likely make it so the talented young WR’s stay. I think it’s over 50% that McMilland and/or Odunze bolt if we botch the OC hire. Just a name that wouldn’t piss me off if we made it happen.

Solid logic behind this but I don’t see any way an up and comer like Hartline goes to a coach like lake who is likely in a make it or break it type season. Maybe if lake has a dominant defense and things were trending up. That’s not the case though.

DerekJohnson

RoadDawg55 said:

chuck said:

thechatch said:

Lotta guys at the FCS level that are tearing it up with innovative, forward thinking concepts he could have plucked easily.

The fact that Ian Shoemaker is still at EWU fucking baffles me.

This is what I've been calling for since RN was fired. Hire guys who are doing something cool and kicking ass at a lower level FBS or FCS school. They'll do that wherever they go in most cases. Winners win according to what I've read here.

It really is that easy. I don’t you have to necessarily have the QB guru coordinate the offense, but you need a guy that has a history of developing QB’s. Donovan has never developed a QB. Christian Hackenberg went from having a good freshman year to being utter dogshit under Donovan. He was probably overrated all along, but Donovan did a terrible job. It’s the most important position in football.

Btw, I would love UW to hire Brian Hartline from Ohio State as OC and bring Urban’s son in law in as the QB coach. Maybe he would bring a different QB coach in. Hartline is an Ohio State guy, but the UW OC job would be a jump starter to a head coaching job if the coordinator came in and made the offense legit. He might not come, but for around a million I think he would at least strongly consider it. He only makes $550,000 now. The guy is charismatic, commands respect from his playing and coaching days and is a beast recruiter.

Hartline and Corey Dennis would help recruiting (Ohio State recruits nationally and Hartline pulled in Gee and Egbuka), they are young and hip, and they know what a good offense looks like because they are actually part of a coaching staff that has a great offense every year. Hartline would very likely make it so the talented young WR’s stay. I think it’s over 50% that McMilland and/or Odunze bolt if we botch the OC hire. Just a name that wouldn’t piss me off if we made it happen.

Ohio State is not going to let Hartline make a lateral move to a soft Pac-12 team without offering to match the salary. But I do like your line of thinking.

CFetters_Nacho_Lover

DerekJohnson said:

RoadDawg55 said:

chuck said:

thechatch said:

Lotta guys at the FCS level that are tearing it up with innovative, forward thinking concepts he could have plucked easily.

The fact that Ian Shoemaker is still at EWU fucking baffles me.

This is what I've been calling for since RN was fired. Hire guys who are doing something cool and kicking ass at a lower level FBS or FCS school. They'll do that wherever they go in most cases. Winners win according to what I've read here.

It really is that easy. I don’t you have to necessarily have the QB guru coordinate the offense, but you need a guy that has a history of developing QB’s. Donovan has never developed a QB. Christian Hackenberg went from having a good freshman year to being utter dogshit under Donovan. He was probably overrated all along, but Donovan did a terrible job. It’s the most important position in football.

Btw, I would love UW to hire Brian Hartline from Ohio State as OC and bring Urban’s son in law in as the QB coach. Maybe he would bring a different QB coach in. Hartline is an Ohio State guy, but the UW OC job would be a jump starter to a head coaching job if the coordinator came in and made the offense legit. He might not come, but for around a million I think he would at least strongly consider it. He only makes $550,000 now. The guy is charismatic, commands respect from his playing and coaching days and is a beast recruiter.

Hartline and Corey Dennis would help recruiting (Ohio State recruits nationally and Hartline pulled in Gee and Egbuka), they are young and hip, and they know what a good offense looks like because they are actually part of a coaching staff that has a great offense every year. Hartline would very likely make it so the talented young WR’s stay. I think it’s over 50% that McMilland and/or Odunze bolt if we botch the OC hire. Just a name that wouldn’t piss me off if we made it happen.

Ohio State is not going to let Hartline make a lateral move to a soft Pac-12 team without offering to match the salary. But I do like your line of thinking.

It wouldn’t be lateral. Hartline is their WR coach.