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  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 107,675 Founders Club
    You guys need to screen shot these


  • WestlinnDuckWestlinnDuck Member Posts: 15,710 Standard Supporter
    So, right now on my main checking account, the IRS gets one 1099-INT for my interest income for the year. I have probably close to a hundred transactions over $600. The IRS can barely handle their current 1099 matching program let alone hundreds of transactions per millions of bank accounts. Currently, there is a cash reporting requirement for cash payments received over $10,000. The IRS pretty much files the reporting forms and then doesn't do a damn thing with them.

    https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2021/10/the-irs-wants-your-bank-records.php

    THE IRS WANTS YOUR BANK RECORDS
    Earlier today, Treasury Secretary Janet Yellin defended the Biden administration’s proposal to require banks to report inflow and outflow information on all accounts with more than $600 or more than $600 in transactions–in other words, virtually all bank accounts:

    During an interview on CNBC’s “Squawk Box” on Tuesday, Yellen was pressed on whether the IRS has the “wherewithal” to collect more information about taxpayers and bank accounts including cash flows, something many Republicans have called invasive.

    “Well, of course they do,” Yellen said. “Right now, on every bank account that earns more than $10 a year in interest, the banks report the interest earned to the IRS. That’s part of the information base that includes W2’s and reports on dividends in other income that taxpayers earned. So collection of information is routine.”

    That is rather disingenuous. Interest paid by banks is income. Employers and many others report income that they pay out to the IRS. This proposal is different: the idea is that the IRS can compare the amounts of money going into and out of bank accounts with the income reported by a given taxpayer. If the reported income doesn’t seem to match the bank records, the IRS can perform an audit.

    “It’s just a few pieces of information about individual bank accounts, nothing at the transaction level that would violate privacy,” the secretary said.

    So the IRS won’t see what you spent your money on, it will just know how much went into and out of your accounts.

    This is from an exchange between Yellin and Sen. Cynthia Lummis during a recent hearing:

    [Lummis]: “Bank customers are not subjects to the federal government. Banks do not work for the IRS.”

    Yellen defended the plan, telling the senator, “Banks already report directly to the IRS the interest that they pay on accounts when it exceeds $10, and this is not a proposal to provide detailed transaction-level data by banks to the IRS.”

    “Well, $600 threshold is not usually where you’re going to find the massive amount of tax revenue you think Americans are cheating you out of,” Lummis fired back.

    “That’s correct,” Yellen admitted, “but it’s important to have comprehensive information so that individuals can’t game the system and have multiple accounts.”

    Those $600 accounts can add up.

    The administration claims this measure would yield something like $46 billion a year in revenue by catching tax cheats. As an honest taxpayer, I am sympathetic to the argument that it is in my interest for cheaters to be caught. The problem is that I don’t trust the Biden administration, and I don’t trust the IRS.

    The Democrats have politicized one federal agency after another, and they have weaponized the IRS, in particular, to weaken their political opponents. I have zero confidence that the IRS wouldn’t selectively use this new data source to target Republicans in general, and vocal opponents of the Biden administration in particular. On the contrary, experience suggests that this is exactly what they would do. That being the case, and given the broader concerns about privacy that most Americans share, the last thing I want to do is give the Biden administration private information about essentially every bank account in the U.S.
  • 46XiJCAB46XiJCAB Member Posts: 20,967

    So, right now on my main checking account, the IRS gets one 1099-INT for my interest income for the year. I have probably close to a hundred transactions over $600. The IRS can barely handle their current 1099 matching program let alone hundreds of transactions per millions of bank accounts. Currently, there is a cash reporting requirement for cash payments received over $10,000. The IRS pretty much files the reporting forms and then doesn't do a damn thing with them.

    https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2021/10/the-irs-wants-your-bank-records.php

    THE IRS WANTS YOUR BANK RECORDS
    Earlier today, Treasury Secretary Janet Yellin defended the Biden administration’s proposal to require banks to report inflow and outflow information on all accounts with more than $600 or more than $600 in transactions–in other words, virtually all bank accounts:

    During an interview on CNBC’s “Squawk Box” on Tuesday, Yellen was pressed on whether the IRS has the “wherewithal” to collect more information about taxpayers and bank accounts including cash flows, something many Republicans have called invasive.

    “Well, of course they do,” Yellen said. “Right now, on every bank account that earns more than $10 a year in interest, the banks report the interest earned to the IRS. That’s part of the information base that includes W2’s and reports on dividends in other income that taxpayers earned. So collection of information is routine.”

    That is rather disingenuous. Interest paid by banks is income. Employers and many others report income that they pay out to the IRS. This proposal is different: the idea is that the IRS can compare the amounts of money going into and out of bank accounts with the income reported by a given taxpayer. If the reported income doesn’t seem to match the bank records, the IRS can perform an audit.

    “It’s just a few pieces of information about individual bank accounts, nothing at the transaction level that would violate privacy,” the secretary said.

    So the IRS won’t see what you spent your money on, it will just know how much went into and out of your accounts.

    This is from an exchange between Yellin and Sen. Cynthia Lummis during a recent hearing:

    [Lummis]: “Bank customers are not subjects to the federal government. Banks do not work for the IRS.”

    Yellen defended the plan, telling the senator, “Banks already report directly to the IRS the interest that they pay on accounts when it exceeds $10, and this is not a proposal to provide detailed transaction-level data by banks to the IRS.”

    “Well, $600 threshold is not usually where you’re going to find the massive amount of tax revenue you think Americans are cheating you out of,” Lummis fired back.

    “That’s correct,” Yellen admitted, “but it’s important to have comprehensive information so that individuals can’t game the system and have multiple accounts.”

    Those $600 accounts can add up.

    The administration claims this measure would yield something like $46 billion a year in revenue by catching tax cheats. As an honest taxpayer, I am sympathetic to the argument that it is in my interest for cheaters to be caught. The problem is that I don’t trust the Biden administration, and I don’t trust the IRS.

    The Democrats have politicized one federal agency after another, and they have weaponized the IRS, in particular, to weaken their political opponents. I have zero confidence that the IRS wouldn’t selectively use this new data source to target Republicans in general, and vocal opponents of the Biden administration in particular. On the contrary, experience suggests that this is exactly what they would do. That being the case, and given the broader concerns about privacy that most Americans share, the last thing I want to do is give the Biden administration private information about essentially every bank account in the U.S.

    So registered DIM voters get a wink and nod, registered GOP voters the anal probe. Cause it would be so hard to match voter data to bank accounts. Obviously these people think they're going to be running things for a looooong time. I guess 2020 was the final test.
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 34,452 Standard Supporter
    edited October 2021
    This is spying plain and simple. They know what we made we file our taxes after that they can kiss my ass!
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 107,675 Founders Club



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    JFK would be too far right for the establishment GOP today
  • LoneStarDawgLoneStarDawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 13,546 Founders Club
    edited October 2021



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    JFK would be too far right for the establishment GOP today
    Yeah too bad he got killed by that one random wacko, acting all by himself, alone, randomly, not with any help, spontaneously….. allegedly
  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 44,824 Standard Supporter



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    JFK would be too far right for the establishment GOP today
    Yeah too bad he got killed by that one random wacko, acting all by himself, alone, randomly, not with any help, spontaneously….. allegedly
    I CIA what you did there.
  • LoneStarDawgLoneStarDawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 13,546 Founders Club



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    JFK would be too far right for the establishment GOP today
    Yeah too bad he got killed by that one random wacko, acting all by himself, alone, randomly, not with any help, spontaneously….. allegedly
    I CIA what you did there.
    If you live in Dallas, you know
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 107,675 Founders Club



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    JFK would be too far right for the establishment GOP today
    Yeah too bad he got killed by that one random wacko, acting all by himself, alone, randomly, not with any help, spontaneously….. allegedly
    I CIA what you did there.
    If you live in Dallas, you know
    I've stood in the street and looked back at the Book Depository and forward at the grassy knoll

    I know which one I like
  • greenbloodgreenblood Member Posts: 14,520
    edited October 2021

    So, right now on my main checking account, the IRS gets one 1099-INT for my interest income for the year. I have probably close to a hundred transactions over $600. The IRS can barely handle their current 1099 matching program let alone hundreds of transactions per millions of bank accounts. Currently, there is a cash reporting requirement for cash payments received over $10,000. The IRS pretty much files the reporting forms and then doesn't do a damn thing with them.

    https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2021/10/the-irs-wants-your-bank-records.php

    THE IRS WANTS YOUR BANK RECORDS
    Earlier today, Treasury Secretary Janet Yellin defended the Biden administration’s proposal to require banks to report inflow and outflow information on all accounts with more than $600 or more than $600 in transactions–in other words, virtually all bank accounts:

    During an interview on CNBC’s “Squawk Box” on Tuesday, Yellen was pressed on whether the IRS has the “wherewithal” to collect more information about taxpayers and bank accounts including cash flows, something many Republicans have called invasive.

    “Well, of course they do,” Yellen said. “Right now, on every bank account that earns more than $10 a year in interest, the banks report the interest earned to the IRS. That’s part of the information base that includes W2’s and reports on dividends in other income that taxpayers earned. So collection of information is routine.”

    That is rather disingenuous. Interest paid by banks is income. Employers and many others report income that they pay out to the IRS. This proposal is different: the idea is that the IRS can compare the amounts of money going into and out of bank accounts with the income reported by a given taxpayer. If the reported income doesn’t seem to match the bank records, the IRS can perform an audit.

    “It’s just a few pieces of information about individual bank accounts, nothing at the transaction level that would violate privacy,” the secretary said.

    So the IRS won’t see what you spent your money on, it will just know how much went into and out of your accounts.

    This is from an exchange between Yellin and Sen. Cynthia Lummis during a recent hearing:

    [Lummis]: “Bank customers are not subjects to the federal government. Banks do not work for the IRS.”

    Yellen defended the plan, telling the senator, “Banks already report directly to the IRS the interest that they pay on accounts when it exceeds $10, and this is not a proposal to provide detailed transaction-level data by banks to the IRS.”

    “Well, $600 threshold is not usually where you’re going to find the massive amount of tax revenue you think Americans are cheating you out of,” Lummis fired back.

    “That’s correct,” Yellen admitted, “but it’s important to have comprehensive information so that individuals can’t game the system and have multiple accounts.”

    Those $600 accounts can add up.

    The administration claims this measure would yield something like $46 billion a year in revenue by catching tax cheats. As an honest taxpayer, I am sympathetic to the argument that it is in my interest for cheaters to be caught. The problem is that I don’t trust the Biden administration, and I don’t trust the IRS.

    The Democrats have politicized one federal agency after another, and they have weaponized the IRS, in particular, to weaken their political opponents. I have zero confidence that the IRS wouldn’t selectively use this new data source to target Republicans in general, and vocal opponents of the Biden administration in particular. On the contrary, experience suggests that this is exactly what they would do. That being the case, and given the broader concerns about privacy that most Americans share, the last thing I want to do is give the Biden administration private information about essentially every bank account in the U.S.

    But how much is it going to cost the tax payers to hire additional IRS agents, upgraded technology, and other resources to collect that $46 billion? And lets not pretend that the government doesn't always overestimate potential revenue and underestimate potential expenses.

    If they want to track $10,000 and more, I get that. But the $600 transactions are going to create a backlog in the IRS department. I'd make an argument that resources used for this, will take resources away from catching larger tax cheats, and thus might actually net a negative return on investment.

  • GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,515 Standard Supporter

    Who the hell has $600 in an account all at once? Is that a thing?

    Not me.
  • WestlinnDuckWestlinnDuck Member Posts: 15,710 Standard Supporter

    Who the hell has $600 in an account all at once? Is that a thing?

    It's not the bank balance, it is $600 deposited or paid. So, if you pay off a $2000 Visa bill from your checking account that is reported.
  • WestlinnDuckWestlinnDuck Member Posts: 15,710 Standard Supporter

    So, right now on my main checking account, the IRS gets one 1099-INT for my interest income for the year. I have probably close to a hundred transactions over $600. The IRS can barely handle their current 1099 matching program let alone hundreds of transactions per millions of bank accounts. Currently, there is a cash reporting requirement for cash payments received over $10,000. The IRS pretty much files the reporting forms and then doesn't do a damn thing with them.

    https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2021/10/the-irs-wants-your-bank-records.php

    THE IRS WANTS YOUR BANK RECORDS
    Earlier today, Treasury Secretary Janet Yellin defended the Biden administration’s proposal to require banks to report inflow and outflow information on all accounts with more than $600 or more than $600 in transactions–in other words, virtually all bank accounts:

    During an interview on CNBC’s “Squawk Box” on Tuesday, Yellen was pressed on whether the IRS has the “wherewithal” to collect more information about taxpayers and bank accounts including cash flows, something many Republicans have called invasive.

    “Well, of course they do,” Yellen said. “Right now, on every bank account that earns more than $10 a year in interest, the banks report the interest earned to the IRS. That’s part of the information base that includes W2’s and reports on dividends in other income that taxpayers earned. So collection of information is routine.”

    That is rather disingenuous. Interest paid by banks is income. Employers and many others report income that they pay out to the IRS. This proposal is different: the idea is that the IRS can compare the amounts of money going into and out of bank accounts with the income reported by a given taxpayer. If the reported income doesn’t seem to match the bank records, the IRS can perform an audit.

    “It’s just a few pieces of information about individual bank accounts, nothing at the transaction level that would violate privacy,” the secretary said.

    So the IRS won’t see what you spent your money on, it will just know how much went into and out of your accounts.

    This is from an exchange between Yellin and Sen. Cynthia Lummis during a recent hearing:

    [Lummis]: “Bank customers are not subjects to the federal government. Banks do not work for the IRS.”

    Yellen defended the plan, telling the senator, “Banks already report directly to the IRS the interest that they pay on accounts when it exceeds $10, and this is not a proposal to provide detailed transaction-level data by banks to the IRS.”

    “Well, $600 threshold is not usually where you’re going to find the massive amount of tax revenue you think Americans are cheating you out of,” Lummis fired back.

    “That’s correct,” Yellen admitted, “but it’s important to have comprehensive information so that individuals can’t game the system and have multiple accounts.”

    Those $600 accounts can add up.

    The administration claims this measure would yield something like $46 billion a year in revenue by catching tax cheats. As an honest taxpayer, I am sympathetic to the argument that it is in my interest for cheaters to be caught. The problem is that I don’t trust the Biden administration, and I don’t trust the IRS.

    The Democrats have politicized one federal agency after another, and they have weaponized the IRS, in particular, to weaken their political opponents. I have zero confidence that the IRS wouldn’t selectively use this new data source to target Republicans in general, and vocal opponents of the Biden administration in particular. On the contrary, experience suggests that this is exactly what they would do. That being the case, and given the broader concerns about privacy that most Americans share, the last thing I want to do is give the Biden administration private information about essentially every bank account in the U.S.

    But how much is it going to cost the tax payers to hire additional IRS agents, upgraded technology, and other resources to collect that $46 billion? And lets not pretend that the government doesn't always overestimate potential revenue and underestimate potential expenses.

    If they want to track $10,000 and more, I get that. But the $600 transactions are going to create a backlog in the IRS department. I'd make an argument that resources used for this, will take resources away from catching larger tax cheats, and thus might actually net a negative return on investment.

    Exactly. The underground economy (cash) isn't paying taxes. So, if you are a landscape service that gets paid in cash you might get caught. But to find the owner and workers you would need a lot of resources. You have an IRS agent contact the owner and then have to go through all of the deposits and withdrawals to reconstruct the actual taxable income. Then you send the owner, who has no real money, a bill for $10,000 then you have to try and collect it. And that assumes that all that cash (checks) is getting run through the bank account. This is just a clusterfuck thought up by incompetents. They aren't following up on the existing $10,000 cash forms let alone $600.
  • SwayeSwaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,539 Founders Club
    Hahaha! My welfare checks are capped at $580. VICTORY!
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