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Who will be the next to decommit?

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  • insinceredawginsinceredawg Member Posts: 5,117
    Germie Bernard
    dnc said:

    Swaye said:

    By almost every available metric Lake is fucking terrible.

    In the REAL world you can judge a leader by how many other ultra competent in demand people want to work for them. I don't think football is any different. Lake can't get anyone worth a wet fart to come coach here. It is bottom of the barrel stuff. That's all I need to know.

    The question is has he even really tried?

    The only person we know Lake has legitimately pursued was Kellen Moore, and I can't really fault him (or even Jen in this case) that we couldn't outbid Jerruh for him.

    Other than that there haven't even been rumors of him putting out feelers on anyone. I'd assume that's just information that never got to us for whatever reason except it's exactly what we are seeing in recruiting. Jimmy makes halfhearted pursuit of a big name, gets denied, then immediately pivots to the path of least resistance.

    I'm not convinced Jimmy has even tried for anyone worth shit besides Moore.

    I hope you are correct here. Not wanting anyone worth a damn to work for you is even worse than no one worth a damn working for you.

    Either way the next few years won't be interesting.
    Are you saying you don't believe that he conducted a national search for a DC before deciding the best DC in the country was already on his staff?
  • dncdnc Member Posts: 56,745
    Germie Bernard

    dnc said:

    Swaye said:

    By almost every available metric Lake is fucking terrible.

    In the REAL world you can judge a leader by how many other ultra competent in demand people want to work for them. I don't think football is any different. Lake can't get anyone worth a wet fart to come coach here. It is bottom of the barrel stuff. That's all I need to know.

    The question is has he even really tried?

    The only person we know Lake has legitimately pursued was Kellen Moore, and I can't really fault him (or even Jen in this case) that we couldn't outbid Jerruh for him.

    Other than that there haven't even been rumors of him putting out feelers on anyone. I'd assume that's just information that never got to us for whatever reason except it's exactly what we are seeing in recruiting. Jimmy makes halfhearted pursuit of a big name, gets denied, then immediately pivots to the path of least resistance.

    I'm not convinced Jimmy has even tried for anyone worth shit besides Moore.

    I hope you are correct here. Not wanting anyone worth a damn to work for you is even worse than no one worth a damn working for you.

    Either way the next few years won't be interesting.
    Are you saying you don't believe that he conducted a national search for a DC before deciding the best DC in the country was already on his staff?
    yep
  • BleachedAnusDawgBleachedAnusDawg Member Posts: 11,566
    Germie Bernard
    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    Swaye said:

    By almost every available metric Lake is fucking terrible.

    In the REAL world you can judge a leader by how many other ultra competent in demand people want to work for them. I don't think football is any different. Lake can't get anyone worth a wet fart to come coach here. It is bottom of the barrel stuff. That's all I need to know.

    The question is has he even really tried?

    The only person we know Lake has legitimately pursued was Kellen Moore, and I can't really fault him (or even Jen in this case) that we couldn't outbid Jerruh for him.

    Other than that there haven't even been rumors of him putting out feelers on anyone. I'd assume that's just information that never got to us for whatever reason except it's exactly what we are seeing in recruiting. Jimmy makes halfhearted pursuit of a big name, gets denied, then immediately pivots to the path of least resistance.

    I'm not convinced Jimmy has even tried for anyone worth shit besides Moore.

    I hope you are correct here. Not wanting anyone worth a damn to work for you is even worse than no one worth a damn working for you.

    Either way the next few years won't be interesting.
    Are you saying you don't believe that he conducted a national search for a DC before deciding the best DC in the country was already on his staff?
    yep
    Big if true.
  • RoadDawg55RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,123
    chuck said:

    trublue said:

    doogville said:

    Canadawg said:

    I'm kinda of confused as to how he kept the 2020 class together after Petersen left if this is what he brings

    Coach Pete, clearly. You also had Coach K as a well-respected coach holding it together on the defensive side.

    Coach K leaving is all we needed to see. That dude had never chased a bigger gig in his life and was (allegedly) given back the defense, but it only took 4 games for him to take off.

    And then Jimmy being unable not just to hire, but even to have serious interest from any remotely compelling defensive or offensive coordinators, tells you coaches aren’t buying what Jimmy’s selling.

    And then obviously the recruiting shit show.

    I dunno what happened to Jimmy, but something has clearly changed. His arrogance basically goes unchecked now is my best guess, & that Pete checked a lot of his worst impulses.
    Sark can be very persuasive when he has the $$$.

    See Nick Holt hire from DC at USC.

    Also the hire of Justin Wilcox (DC at Tennessee) and Tosh Lupoi (Cal’s super recruiter) a few weeks before signing day, effectively blowing up an incredible class Cal had assembled. No early signing day at the time.
    You're very right about all of that.

    I still think it's Lake's fault. Keeping Kwat should have been top priority. UW should have outbid Sark if that's what it took. Lake's job, part of it, was to make that happen.
    Lake wasn’t getting the go ahead to come close to 1.7 mil. If Kwat wanted to go, there wasn’t much Lake could do. Of all the things to bash Jimmy for, this is low.
  • NeGgaPlEaSeNeGgaPlEaSe Member Posts: 5,729
    thechatch said:

    I’d take Wilcox over Lake in a heartbeat

    I’d take Sark over Lake
  • Ice_HolmvikIce_Holmvik Member Posts: 2,912
    edited August 2021
    Emeka Megwa

    thechatch said:

    I’d take Wilcox over Lake in a heartbeat

    I’d take Sark over Lake
    That is a bit of a reach but I would take Sark's DC over Lake
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 105,986 Founders Club
    Wilcox is 21-21

    Just because he owned Petersen doesn't make him great
  • AtomicDawgAtomicDawg Member Posts: 7,092 Standard Supporter
    Emeka Megwa

    Wilcox is 21-21

    Just because he owned Petersen doesn't make him great

    Does someone actually think Wilcox is great?
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 105,986 Founders Club
  • 1to392831weretaken1to392831weretaken Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 7,630 Swaye's Wigwam
    Even as a DC, I was never a Wilcox fan. Everybody blew him just because he was "better than Holt," but it seemed to be very hit and miss whether the skwaad was prepared or not. Maybe that was just a Sark thing and Wilcox couldn't have done anything about it, but his two UW defenses gave up scores of 41, 52 (twice), 31, and 28 in 2012 and 31, 45, 53 (in triple-shitpost-consecutive weeks), and 41 in 2013.

    I really don't care how bad your players are (and no way were they THAT bad), you don't give up 40 points or more six times in two years if you're an elite DC.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 105,986 Founders Club
    I think I got whooshed

    Could have been a Nick Holt joke
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 105,986 Founders Club

    Even as a DC, I was never a Wilcox fan. Everybody blew him just because he was "better than Holt," but it seemed to be very hit and miss whether the skwaad was prepared or not. Maybe that was just a Sark thing and Wilcox couldn't have done anything about it, but his two UW defenses gave up scores of 41, 52 (twice), 31, and 28 in 2012 and 31, 45, 53 (in triple-shitpost-consecutive weeks), and 41 in 2013.

    I really don't care how bad your players are (and no way were they THAT bad), you don't give up 40 points or more six times in two years if you're an elite DC.

    What are you going to say when Arizona hangs 50 on us was Wilcox related
  • chuckchuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 11,057 Swaye's Wigwam
    Emeka Megwa

    Even as a DC, I was never a Wilcox fan. Everybody blew him just because he was "better than Holt," but it seemed to be very hit and miss whether the skwaad was prepared or not. Maybe that was just a Sark thing and Wilcox couldn't have done anything about it, but his two UW defenses gave up scores of 41, 52 (twice), 31, and 28 in 2012 and 31, 45, 53 (in triple-shitpost-consecutive weeks), and 41 in 2013.

    I really don't care how bad your players are (and no way were they THAT bad), you don't give up 40 points or more six times in two years if you're an elite DC.

    I think Wilcox is a good DC. That was Sark's team.

    He was a meh hire as a head coach though, and meh results have followed.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 105,986 Founders Club
    If you can't win with superior culture....
  • insinceredawginsinceredawg Member Posts: 5,117
    Germie Bernard

    chuck said:

    trublue said:

    doogville said:

    Canadawg said:

    I'm kinda of confused as to how he kept the 2020 class together after Petersen left if this is what he brings

    Coach Pete, clearly. You also had Coach K as a well-respected coach holding it together on the defensive side.

    Coach K leaving is all we needed to see. That dude had never chased a bigger gig in his life and was (allegedly) given back the defense, but it only took 4 games for him to take off.

    And then Jimmy being unable not just to hire, but even to have serious interest from any remotely compelling defensive or offensive coordinators, tells you coaches aren’t buying what Jimmy’s selling.

    And then obviously the recruiting shit show.

    I dunno what happened to Jimmy, but something has clearly changed. His arrogance basically goes unchecked now is my best guess, & that Pete checked a lot of his worst impulses.
    Sark can be very persuasive when he has the $$$.

    See Nick Holt hire from DC at USC.

    Also the hire of Justin Wilcox (DC at Tennessee) and Tosh Lupoi (Cal’s super recruiter) a few weeks before signing day, effectively blowing up an incredible class Cal had assembled. No early signing day at the time.
    You're very right about all of that.

    I still think it's Lake's fault. Keeping Kwat should have been top priority. UW should have outbid Sark if that's what it took. Lake's job, part of it, was to make that happen.
    Lake wasn’t getting the go ahead to come close to 1.7 mil. If Kwat wanted to go, there wasn’t much Lake could do. Of all the things to bash Jimmy for, this is low.
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