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  • TheKobeStopperTheKobeStopper Member Posts: 5,959
    Enrique Tarrio faces misdemeanour destruction of property charges, according to US media.

    Every single link you post has a quote in it that disproves your point. Stick to newsmax articles.
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 34,422 Standard Supporter
    edited June 2021
    They deserve a beating if they are burning the flag. I'll be the father you never had and spank your ass.
  • TheKobeStopperTheKobeStopper Member Posts: 5,959

    Kobe, you should have the right to burn the American flag. Just don’t complain if somebody knocks you unconscious while in the process.

    And you should have the right to say all the racist shit you want. Just don’t complain when you lose your job in the process.
  • TequillaTequilla Member Posts: 19,937
    This is a tough one ...

    Personally, I could never burn the flag as regardless of whether I agree/disagree with what's going on in this country at any given minute the reality is that the freedoms and rights I have as a citizen of this country are significant and I consider myself fortunate to have them.

    Further, I view the flag as a representation of the collective efforts of this country (the reasons behind gaining independence from England, the struggles growing the country, the impacts of slavery and the Civil War, being at the forefront for the industrial and technological revolutions, the challenges of the Great Depression, the all hands on deck sacrifice during WWII, political assassinations and civil rights unrest in the 60s, corrupt government of the 70s, 9/11, and the numerous societal challenges that we've faced recently from a global pandemic to police brutality to socio- and economical gaps. I am awed at what we have accomplished as a country at our best and when we have moments of acting at our worst, we find ways to find solutions and move forward no matter how painful or challenging those processes, discussions, etc. can be.

    I have too much respect for the flag to burn it. But I also understand that for those that feel like they need to be blunt to get the attention of people, that taking an action like burning a flag at minimum gets the attention (whether it's the right attention is for a different discussion). I also recognize that while I may not agree with the means or messaging that burning a flag has, I would be beyond hypocritical if I didn't acknowledge that doing so is a form of protest and free speech that is protected by the Constitution. So I completely understand why the Supreme Court decided the way that they did.

    That said, the burning of a flag can create a dangerous situation as it is often done in a public place which introduces potential fire hazards, individual safety, and destruction of property. So while I can respect the freedom of speech, there are lines to what freedom of speech means. Freedom of speech doesn't mean that you get to encroach on an individual's safety. Freedom of speech does not mean that you get to destroy property behind the guise of freedom of speech.

    Silencing those that you don't agree with isn't the way to go. Group think is beyond dangerous. Closing your mind to the ideas of others is not the solution. I respect any individual that cares enough about something to be vocal about their opinion and using the means of protest to deliver the message and build awareness. But the line gets crossed when you put people in harm's way (i.e. trying to shut down the freeway in an impromptu manner) or destroy property. Do those things and one should rightfully be arrested and be responsible for one's actions.

    In the end bringing it back to flags, I would hope that we as a country could be in a spot where we have a collective respect for each other, what we've collectively accomplished as a country, and have a respect for what the flag represents that we could pursue meaningful protest in a manner that isn't tied to involving the flag.
  • oregonblitzkriegoregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288
    If your nation is conducting 5g electromagnetic warfare against you, poising your food and your water, attacking you with weather weapons, setting explosives off in high rise towers and blaming the Arabs for it, taking away your freedom of speech, your freedom to breath, symbolically masking you while they actively kill you with vaccines, you owe zero allegiance to such a nation. Burn as many flags as you can.
  • BendintheriverBendintheriver Member Posts: 6,178 Standard Supporter
    Tequilla said:

    This is a tough one ...

    Personally, I could never burn the flag as regardless of whether I agree/disagree with what's going on in this country at any given minute the reality is that the freedoms and rights I have as a citizen of this country are significant and I consider myself fortunate to have them.

    Further, I view the flag as a representation of the collective efforts of this country (the reasons behind gaining independence from England, the struggles growing the country, the impacts of slavery and the Civil War, being at the forefront for the industrial and technological revolutions, the challenges of the Great Depression, the all hands on deck sacrifice during WWII, political assassinations and civil rights unrest in the 60s, corrupt government of the 70s, 9/11, and the numerous societal challenges that we've faced recently from a global pandemic to police brutality to socio- and economical gaps. I am awed at what we have accomplished as a country at our best and when we have moments of acting at our worst, we find ways to find solutions and move forward no matter how painful or challenging those processes, discussions, etc. can be.

    I have too much respect for the flag to burn it. But I also understand that for those that feel like they need to be blunt to get the attention of people, that taking an action like burning a flag at minimum gets the attention (whether it's the right attention is for a different discussion). I also recognize that while I may not agree with the means or messaging that burning a flag has, I would be beyond hypocritical if I didn't acknowledge that doing so is a form of protest and free speech that is protected by the Constitution. So I completely understand why the Supreme Court decided the way that they did.

    That said, the burning of a flag can create a dangerous situation as it is often done in a public place which introduces potential fire hazards, individual safety, and destruction of property. So while I can respect the freedom of speech, there are lines to what freedom of speech means. Freedom of speech doesn't mean that you get to encroach on an individual's safety. Freedom of speech does not mean that you get to destroy property behind the guise of freedom of speech.

    Silencing those that you don't agree with isn't the way to go. Group think is beyond dangerous. Closing your mind to the ideas of others is not the solution. I respect any individual that cares enough about something to be vocal about their opinion and using the means of protest to deliver the message and build awareness. But the line gets crossed when you put people in harm's way (i.e. trying to shut down the freeway in an impromptu manner) or destroy property. Do those things and one should rightfully be arrested and be responsible for one's actions.

    In the end bringing it back to flags, I would hope that we as a country could be in a spot where we have a collective respect for each other, what we've collectively accomplished as a country, and have a respect for what the flag represents that we could pursue meaningful protest in a manner that isn't tied to involving the flag.

    There is zero mutual respect on the left. They are narcissistic pieces of shit that hate our country enough to cheer when one of their blue ribbon babies burns an American flag. There are many ways to voice displeasure, the go to for the left is hatred of this country, flag burning. They think its cute.
  • BendintheriverBendintheriver Member Posts: 6,178 Standard Supporter

    Enrique Tarrio faces misdemeanour destruction of property charges, according to US media.

    Every single link you post has a quote in it that disproves your point. Stick to newsmax articles.

    How the hell does that disprove his point? Go ahead asshole, explain it for us.
  • TequillaTequilla Member Posts: 19,937

    Tequilla said:

    This is a tough one ...

    Personally, I could never burn the flag as regardless of whether I agree/disagree with what's going on in this country at any given minute the reality is that the freedoms and rights I have as a citizen of this country are significant and I consider myself fortunate to have them.

    Further, I view the flag as a representation of the collective efforts of this country (the reasons behind gaining independence from England, the struggles growing the country, the impacts of slavery and the Civil War, being at the forefront for the industrial and technological revolutions, the challenges of the Great Depression, the all hands on deck sacrifice during WWII, political assassinations and civil rights unrest in the 60s, corrupt government of the 70s, 9/11, and the numerous societal challenges that we've faced recently from a global pandemic to police brutality to socio- and economical gaps. I am awed at what we have accomplished as a country at our best and when we have moments of acting at our worst, we find ways to find solutions and move forward no matter how painful or challenging those processes, discussions, etc. can be.

    I have too much respect for the flag to burn it. But I also understand that for those that feel like they need to be blunt to get the attention of people, that taking an action like burning a flag at minimum gets the attention (whether it's the right attention is for a different discussion). I also recognize that while I may not agree with the means or messaging that burning a flag has, I would be beyond hypocritical if I didn't acknowledge that doing so is a form of protest and free speech that is protected by the Constitution. So I completely understand why the Supreme Court decided the way that they did.

    That said, the burning of a flag can create a dangerous situation as it is often done in a public place which introduces potential fire hazards, individual safety, and destruction of property. So while I can respect the freedom of speech, there are lines to what freedom of speech means. Freedom of speech doesn't mean that you get to encroach on an individual's safety. Freedom of speech does not mean that you get to destroy property behind the guise of freedom of speech.

    Silencing those that you don't agree with isn't the way to go. Group think is beyond dangerous. Closing your mind to the ideas of others is not the solution. I respect any individual that cares enough about something to be vocal about their opinion and using the means of protest to deliver the message and build awareness. But the line gets crossed when you put people in harm's way (i.e. trying to shut down the freeway in an impromptu manner) or destroy property. Do those things and one should rightfully be arrested and be responsible for one's actions.

    In the end bringing it back to flags, I would hope that we as a country could be in a spot where we have a collective respect for each other, what we've collectively accomplished as a country, and have a respect for what the flag represents that we could pursue meaningful protest in a manner that isn't tied to involving the flag.

    There is zero mutual respect on the left. They are narcissistic pieces of shit that hate our country enough to cheer when one of their blue ribbon babies burns an American flag. There are many ways to voice displeasure, the go to for the left is hatred of this country, flag burning. They think its cute.
    That’s why I noted the attention brought by burning the flag may not drive the response desired

    For many, burning the flag tunes out whatever the message was ...

    The protestor would respond that their words/feelings aren’t be acknowledge ...

    But does that protestor acknowledge that the person that is tuning out what the flag burning means symbolically could respond by talking about their feelings?

    When gas gets poured on a situation ... how does one expect to move forward towards a solution?
  • greenbloodgreenblood Member Posts: 14,520
    edited June 2021

    Kobe, you should have the right to burn the American flag. Just don’t complain if somebody knocks you unconscious while in the process.

    And you should have the right to say all the racist shit you want. Just don’t complain when you lose your job in the process.
    Race baiting again I see. You need to fish somewhere else, I’m not biting.
  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 44,783 Standard Supporter
    One could argue that burning the flag is inciting violence and is a seditious act against the United State of America.

    It's really mean and orange, you know.

  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 107,564 Founders Club

    Enrique Tarrio faces misdemeanour destruction of property charges, according to US media.

    Every single link you post has a quote in it that disproves your point. Stick to newsmax articles.

    Some flags are more equal than others

    It was first in line

    The American flag is property

    Often federal property

    Burning it makes you subject to arrest

    I didn't think I needed to spell it out
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 107,564 Founders Club
  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 44,783 Standard Supporter


    Mostly peaceful vandalism.

  • hardhathardhat Member Posts: 8,344
    edited June 2021
  • GreenRiverGatorzGreenRiverGatorz Member Posts: 10,165

    Enrique Tarrio faces misdemeanour destruction of property charges, according to US media.

    Every single link you post has a quote in it that disproves your point. Stick to newsmax articles.

    Some flags are more equal than others

    It was first in line

    The American flag is property

    Often federal property

    Burning it makes you subject to arrest

    I didn't think I needed to spell it out
    As far as I know burning someone else's flag is still a crime.

    Want to burn your own flag? Knock yourself out.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 107,564 Founders Club
    Burning a Federal courthouse all summer apparently isn't a crime

    Burn away

    Some random GOP idiot introduced a law that allows all you Biden voters to deflect from your crime
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 32,954
    A white California couple has been charged with a hate crime after they were seen on video defacing a Black Lives Matter mural, according to a statement from the Contra Costa District Attorney's office.

    Two people, identified by the district attorney as Nicole Anderson, 42, and David Nelson, 53, were seen on July 4 painting over the B and L in the word "Black," which had been painted in yellow, with black paint.

    https://abcnews.go.com/US/california-couple-charged-hate-crime-allegedly-vandalizing-black/story?id=71668864

    And by "defacing a mural" they mean painting over "BLM" that had been painted on the street.
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