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  • BleachedAnusDawgBleachedAnusDawg Member Posts: 11,756
    edited June 2021

    Kaepsknee said:

    You can start a team with 23 year old Luka or 23 year old Larry.

    Pick

    Larry.


    And it’s not close.

    @WilburHooksHands in 3....2.....
    I think its close at 23. LIPO
    You tell people to pick and then when they do you tell them to LIPO

    Inconsistent messaging
    People forget that Larry Bird was at Indiana State losing to Magic when he was 23

    Luka has been a pro since he was 14 and is in his second playoff run with historical numbers that compare to players like MJ


    To say its not close is not right

    At all
    Luka is better.

    Whoever thinks he will have a short prime hasn’t watched him play. His game isn’t based on athleticism. The size, strength, and skill aren’t going anywhere. If anything, they will continue to improve.

    We are watching a potentially all time great. Nobody that is currently in the league, including LeBron was as good at 22 as Doncic is now.
    Captive of the moment. Luka is playing in the 1st round of the playoffs in a league where everyone is allergic to playing defense and the rules are geared towards offense. Bird could post up and was a million times better shooter from distance than Luka. He also won championships and mvps (and was even all-defense a few times). Hell, he still scored 20 a game as a 35 year old cripple.

    Save the Luka is better stuff for 10 years from now when he has a body of work to compare.
  • TheKobeStopperTheKobeStopper Member Posts: 5,959

    Kaepsknee said:

    You can start a team with 23 year old Luka or 23 year old Larry.

    Pick

    Larry.


    And it’s not close.

    @WilburHooksHands in 3....2.....
    I think its close at 23. LIPO
    You tell people to pick and then when they do you tell them to LIPO

    Inconsistent messaging
    People forget that Larry Bird was at Indiana State losing to Magic when he was 23

    Luka has been a pro since he was 14 and is in his second playoff run with historical numbers that compare to players like MJ


    To say its not close is not right

    At all
    Luka is better.

    Whoever thinks he will have a short prime hasn’t watched him play. His game isn’t based on athleticism. The size, strength, and skill aren’t going anywhere. If anything, they will continue to improve.

    We are watching a potentially all time great. Nobody that is currently in the league, including LeBron was as good at 22 as Doncic is now.
    Captive of the moment. Luka is playing in the 1st round of the playoffs in a league where everyone is allergic to playing defense and the rules are geared towards offense. Bird could post up and was a million times better shooter from distance than Luka. He also won championships and mvps (and was even all-defense a few times). Hell, he still scored 20 a game as a 35 year old cripple.

    Save the Luka is better stuff for 10 years from now when he has a body of work to compare.
    This is such a dumb take. Scoring isn’t up because guys don’t play defense, it’s up because teams realized how valuable 3 point shots are and that more 3 point shooters creates space. Guys play harder on defense than ever before with having to rotate around to shooters.

    The glory teams of yesteryear played great defense because there were always two giant oafs standing in the paint. Not because they tried harder or cared more.
  • KaepskneeKaepsknee Member Posts: 14,886

    Kaepsknee said:

    You can start a team with 23 year old Luka or 23 year old Larry.

    Pick

    Larry.


    And it’s not close.

    @WilburHooksHands in 3....2.....
    I think its close at 23. LIPO
    You tell people to pick and then when they do you tell them to LIPO

    Inconsistent messaging
    People forget that Larry Bird was at Indiana State losing to Magic when he was 23

    Luka has been a pro since he was 14 and is in his second playoff run with historical numbers that compare to players like MJ


    To say its not close is not right

    At all
    Luka is better.

    Whoever thinks he will have a short prime hasn’t watched him play. His game isn’t based on athleticism. The size, strength, and skill aren’t going anywhere. If anything, they will continue to improve.

    We are watching a potentially all time great. Nobody that is currently in the league, including LeBron was as good at 22 as Doncic is now.
    Captive of the moment. Luka is playing in the 1st round of the playoffs in a league where everyone is allergic to playing defense and the rules are geared towards offense. Bird could post up and was a million times better shooter from distance than Luka. He also won championships and mvps (and was even all-defense a few times). Hell, he still scored 20 a game as a 35 year old cripple.

    Save the Luka is better stuff for 10 years from now when he has a body of work to compare.
    This is such a dumb take. Scoring isn’t up because guys don’t play defense, it’s up because teams realized how valuable 3 point shots are and that more 3 point shooters creates space. Guys play harder on defense than ever before with having to rotate around to shooters.

    The glory teams of yesteryear played great defense because there were always two giant oafs standing in the paint. Not because they tried harder or cared more.
    They try hard rotate on D so much that most 3 pt attempts are uncontested. There are still great defensive players in the league. But no great defensive teams.

    You either hit the 3 and win or don’t and lose.

    Good NBA “defense” is a game of chance nowadays.
  • BleachedAnusDawgBleachedAnusDawg Member Posts: 11,756

    Kaepsknee said:

    You can start a team with 23 year old Luka or 23 year old Larry.

    Pick

    Larry.


    And it’s not close.

    @WilburHooksHands in 3....2.....
    I think its close at 23. LIPO
    You tell people to pick and then when they do you tell them to LIPO

    Inconsistent messaging
    People forget that Larry Bird was at Indiana State losing to Magic when he was 23

    Luka has been a pro since he was 14 and is in his second playoff run with historical numbers that compare to players like MJ


    To say its not close is not right

    At all
    Luka is better.

    Whoever thinks he will have a short prime hasn’t watched him play. His game isn’t based on athleticism. The size, strength, and skill aren’t going anywhere. If anything, they will continue to improve.

    We are watching a potentially all time great. Nobody that is currently in the league, including LeBron was as good at 22 as Doncic is now.
    Captive of the moment. Luka is playing in the 1st round of the playoffs in a league where everyone is allergic to playing defense and the rules are geared towards offense. Bird could post up and was a million times better shooter from distance than Luka. He also won championships and mvps (and was even all-defense a few times). Hell, he still scored 20 a game as a 35 year old cripple.

    Save the Luka is better stuff for 10 years from now when he has a body of work to compare.
    This is such a dumb take. Scoring isn’t up because guys don’t play defense, it’s up because teams realized how valuable 3 point shots are and that more 3 point shooters creates space. Guys play harder on defense than ever before with having to rotate around to shooters.

    The glory teams of yesteryear played great defense because there were always two giant oafs standing in the paint. Not because they tried harder or cared more.
    They don't play defense, and the league has changed the rules to inhibit a defender's ability to stop penetration. Guys walk down the lane unimpeded because you can't hand check anymore. Guys play harder on defense than ever before...LMAO. Okay, dude.
  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 44,536 Standard Supporter

    Kaepsknee said:

    You can start a team with 23 year old Luka or 23 year old Larry.

    Pick

    Larry.


    And it’s not close.

    @WilburHooksHands in 3....2.....
    I think its close at 23. LIPO
    You tell people to pick and then when they do you tell them to LIPO

    Inconsistent messaging
    People forget that Larry Bird was at Indiana State losing to Magic when he was 23

    Luka has been a pro since he was 14 and is in his second playoff run with historical numbers that compare to players like MJ


    To say its not close is not right

    At all
    Luka is better.

    Whoever thinks he will have a short prime hasn’t watched him play. His game isn’t based on athleticism. The size, strength, and skill aren’t going anywhere. If anything, they will continue to improve.

    We are watching a potentially all time great. Nobody that is currently in the league, including LeBron was as good at 22 as Doncic is now.
    Captive of the moment. Luka is playing in the 1st round of the playoffs in a league where everyone is allergic to playing defense and the rules are geared towards offense. Bird could post up and was a million times better shooter from distance than Luka. He also won championships and mvps (and was even all-defense a few times). Hell, he still scored 20 a game as a 35 year old cripple.

    Save the Luka is better stuff for 10 years from now when he has a body of work to compare.
    This is such a dumb take. Scoring isn’t up because guys don’t play defense, it’s up because teams realized how valuable 3 point shots are and that more 3 point shooters creates space. Guys play harder on defense than ever before with having to rotate around to shooters.

    The glory teams of yesteryear played great defense because there were always two giant oafs standing in the paint. Not because they tried harder or cared more.
    They don't play defense, and the league has changed the rules to inhibit a defender's ability to stop penetration. Guys walk down the lane unimpeded because you can't hand check anymore. Guys play harder on defense than ever before...LMAO. Okay, dude.
    Pippen and Jordan are laughing their asses off at @TheKobeStopper assertion.

    Dudes got out and flat locked opponents down.

    See also Gary Payton.

    Nobody defends like that today. The defensive player of the year this season was Rudy fucking Gobert, for Christ’s sake.

  • DerekJohnsonDerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 64,077 Founders Club

    Kaepsknee said:

    You can start a team with 23 year old Luka or 23 year old Larry.

    Pick

    Larry.


    And it’s not close.

    @WilburHooksHands in 3....2.....
    I think its close at 23. LIPO
    You tell people to pick and then when they do you tell them to LIPO

    Inconsistent messaging
    People forget that Larry Bird was at Indiana State losing to Magic when he was 23

    Luka has been a pro since he was 14 and is in his second playoff run with historical numbers that compare to players like MJ


    To say its not close is not right

    At all
    You think I'm watching the NBA? The only time I've seen Luka was the clip of him flirting with the female ref
    I believe the kids would say - stay in your lane

    NBA is my wheelhouse
    Okay Mr Front-Runner
  • haiehaie Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 22,014 Swaye's Wigwam
    They desperately need to change the foul calling. When stars are hunting for fouls instead of just trying to make shots, you have a rapidly degrading product.

    Fouls should just be if you hit a shooter's hand/arm hard enough to actually change their dribble or shot. You should be able to set a precedent of consistency with that. You should be able to touch the goddamn ball handler.

    Biggest example was the Blazers Suns game at the end of the season. Powell touches Booker's hand, doesn't change his shot whatsoever, he just flat misses, and gets game winning free throw attempts.
  • TheKobeStopperTheKobeStopper Member Posts: 5,959

    Kaepsknee said:

    You can start a team with 23 year old Luka or 23 year old Larry.

    Pick

    Larry.


    And it’s not close.

    @WilburHooksHands in 3....2.....
    I think its close at 23. LIPO
    You tell people to pick and then when they do you tell them to LIPO

    Inconsistent messaging
    People forget that Larry Bird was at Indiana State losing to Magic when he was 23

    Luka has been a pro since he was 14 and is in his second playoff run with historical numbers that compare to players like MJ


    To say its not close is not right

    At all
    Luka is better.

    Whoever thinks he will have a short prime hasn’t watched him play. His game isn’t based on athleticism. The size, strength, and skill aren’t going anywhere. If anything, they will continue to improve.

    We are watching a potentially all time great. Nobody that is currently in the league, including LeBron was as good at 22 as Doncic is now.
    Captive of the moment. Luka is playing in the 1st round of the playoffs in a league where everyone is allergic to playing defense and the rules are geared towards offense. Bird could post up and was a million times better shooter from distance than Luka. He also won championships and mvps (and was even all-defense a few times). Hell, he still scored 20 a game as a 35 year old cripple.

    Save the Luka is better stuff for 10 years from now when he has a body of work to compare.
    This is such a dumb take. Scoring isn’t up because guys don’t play defense, it’s up because teams realized how valuable 3 point shots are and that more 3 point shooters creates space. Guys play harder on defense than ever before with having to rotate around to shooters.

    The glory teams of yesteryear played great defense because there were always two giant oafs standing in the paint. Not because they tried harder or cared more.
    They don't play defense, and the league has changed the rules to inhibit a defender's ability to stop penetration. Guys walk down the lane unimpeded because you can't hand check anymore. Guys play harder on defense than ever before...LMAO. Okay, dude.
    Pippen and Jordan are laughing their asses off at @TheKobeStopper assertion.

    Dudes got out and flat locked opponents down.

    See also Gary Payton.

    Nobody defends like that today. The defensive player of the year this season was Rudy fucking Gobert, for Christ’s sake.

    Ok and I could name Kawhi, Lebron and Chris Paul who were lockdown guys in their prime. You’re just naming outlier defenders.

    In 2011 Lebron would guard reigning MVP Derrick Rose at the end of games and Rose couldn’t do shit. Do you know why? Because the Bulls had Gibson and Noah clogging up the paint.

    In 2015 Andre Igoudala won the Finals MVP for guarding Lebron and holding him to 39% shooting. The next year Lebron shot 50% against the same team. You want to know why?

    Because in 2015 Kevin Love was hurt and the Cavs played Mozgov and Tristan Thompson a ton. In 2016 those minutes were replaced with Kevin Love and Richard Jefferson. Shooters.

    And like I said, you just named outliers. Most defense back then was standing around and watching. I’m not taking anything away from the great defenders but the “nobody cares” narrative is bullshit. Good defense now bust their asses running around.
  • SwayeSwaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,511 Founders Club
  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 44,536 Standard Supporter

    Kaepsknee said:

    You can start a team with 23 year old Luka or 23 year old Larry.

    Pick

    Larry.


    And it’s not close.

    @WilburHooksHands in 3....2.....
    I think its close at 23. LIPO
    You tell people to pick and then when they do you tell them to LIPO

    Inconsistent messaging
    People forget that Larry Bird was at Indiana State losing to Magic when he was 23

    Luka has been a pro since he was 14 and is in his second playoff run with historical numbers that compare to players like MJ


    To say its not close is not right

    At all
    Luka is better.

    Whoever thinks he will have a short prime hasn’t watched him play. His game isn’t based on athleticism. The size, strength, and skill aren’t going anywhere. If anything, they will continue to improve.

    We are watching a potentially all time great. Nobody that is currently in the league, including LeBron was as good at 22 as Doncic is now.
    Captive of the moment. Luka is playing in the 1st round of the playoffs in a league where everyone is allergic to playing defense and the rules are geared towards offense. Bird could post up and was a million times better shooter from distance than Luka. He also won championships and mvps (and was even all-defense a few times). Hell, he still scored 20 a game as a 35 year old cripple.

    Save the Luka is better stuff for 10 years from now when he has a body of work to compare.
    This is such a dumb take. Scoring isn’t up because guys don’t play defense, it’s up because teams realized how valuable 3 point shots are and that more 3 point shooters creates space. Guys play harder on defense than ever before with having to rotate around to shooters.

    The glory teams of yesteryear played great defense because there were always two giant oafs standing in the paint. Not because they tried harder or cared more.
    They don't play defense, and the league has changed the rules to inhibit a defender's ability to stop penetration. Guys walk down the lane unimpeded because you can't hand check anymore. Guys play harder on defense than ever before...LMAO. Okay, dude.
    Pippen and Jordan are laughing their asses off at @TheKobeStopper assertion.

    Dudes got out and flat locked opponents down.

    See also Gary Payton.

    Nobody defends like that today. The defensive player of the year this season was Rudy fucking Gobert, for Christ’s sake.

    Ok and I could name Kawhi, Lebron and Chris Paul who were lockdown guys in their prime. You’re just naming outlier defenders.

    In 2011 Lebron would guard reigning MVP Derrick Rose at the end of games and Rose couldn’t do shit. Do you know why? Because the Bulls had Gibson and Noah clogging up the paint.

    In 2015 Andre Igoudala won the Finals MVP for guarding Lebron and holding him to 39% shooting. The next year Lebron shot 50% against the same team. You want to know why?

    Because in 2015 Kevin Love was hurt and the Cavs played Mozgov and Tristan Thompson a ton. In 2016 those minutes were replaced with Kevin Love and Richard Jefferson. Shooters.

    And like I said, you just named outliers. Most defense back then was standing around and watching. I’m not taking anything away from the great defenders but the “nobody cares” narrative is bullshit. Good defense now bust their asses running around.
    "Outliers'.

    Fuck off with that bullshit. Kawhi is an outlier.

    You weren't playing in the NBA if you couldn't defend in the 80's and 90's. GTFO out of here with that bullshit.

  • RoadDawg55RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,123
    edited June 2021

    Kaepsknee said:

    You can start a team with 23 year old Luka or 23 year old Larry.

    Pick

    Larry.


    And it’s not close.

    @WilburHooksHands in 3....2.....
    I think its close at 23. LIPO
    You tell people to pick and then when they do you tell them to LIPO

    Inconsistent messaging
    People forget that Larry Bird was at Indiana State losing to Magic when he was 23

    Luka has been a pro since he was 14 and is in his second playoff run with historical numbers that compare to players like MJ


    To say its not close is not right

    At all
    Luka is better.

    Whoever thinks he will have a short prime hasn’t watched him play. His game isn’t based on athleticism. The size, strength, and skill aren’t going anywhere. If anything, they will continue to improve.

    We are watching a potentially all time great. Nobody that is currently in the league, including LeBron was as good at 22 as Doncic is now.
    Captive of the moment. Luka is playing in the 1st round of the playoffs in a league where everyone is allergic to playing defense and the rules are geared towards offense. Bird could post up and was a million times better shooter from distance than Luka. He also won championships and mvps (and was even all-defense a few times). Hell, he still scored 20 a game as a 35 year old cripple.

    Save the Luka is better stuff for 10 years from now when he has a body of work to compare.
    This is such a dumb take. Scoring isn’t up because guys don’t play defense, it’s up because teams realized how valuable 3 point shots are and that more 3 point shooters creates space. Guys play harder on defense than ever before with having to rotate around to shooters.

    The glory teams of yesteryear played great defense because there were always two giant oafs standing in the paint. Not because they tried harder or cared more.
    They don't play defense, and the league has changed the rules to inhibit a defender's ability to stop penetration. Guys walk down the lane unimpeded because you can't hand check anymore. Guys play harder on defense than ever before...LMAO. Okay, dude.
    Pippen and Jordan are laughing their asses off at @TheKobeStopper assertion.

    Dudes got out and flat locked opponents down.

    See also Gary Payton.

    Nobody defends like that today. The defensive player of the year this season was Rudy fucking Gobert, for Christ’s sake.

    Ok and I could name Kawhi, Lebron and Chris Paul who were lockdown guys in their prime. You’re just naming outlier defenders.

    In 2011 Lebron would guard reigning MVP Derrick Rose at the end of games and Rose couldn’t do shit. Do you know why? Because the Bulls had Gibson and Noah clogging up the paint.

    In 2015 Andre Igoudala won the Finals MVP for guarding Lebron and holding him to 39% shooting. The next year Lebron shot 50% against the same team. You want to know why?

    Because in 2015 Kevin Love was hurt and the Cavs played Mozgov and Tristan Thompson a ton. In 2016 those minutes were replaced with Kevin Love and Richard Jefferson. Shooters.

    And like I said, you just named outliers. Most defense back then was standing around and watching. I’m not taking anything away from the great defenders but the “nobody cares” narrative is bullshit. Good defense now bust their asses running around.
    So much easier to play defense back then. Tons of standing around, double teams were illegal until a player had the ball, and there were always multiple non shooters to sag off of. There were also dinosaur coaches that wouldn’t slow a player to shoot three’s off the dribble. Now with a premium on shooting and ball handling, it’s harder to defend.
  • KaepskneeKaepsknee Member Posts: 14,886

    Kaepsknee said:

    You can start a team with 23 year old Luka or 23 year old Larry.

    Pick

    Larry.


    And it’s not close.

    @WilburHooksHands in 3....2.....
    I think its close at 23. LIPO
    You tell people to pick and then when they do you tell them to LIPO

    Inconsistent messaging
    People forget that Larry Bird was at Indiana State losing to Magic when he was 23

    Luka has been a pro since he was 14 and is in his second playoff run with historical numbers that compare to players like MJ


    To say its not close is not right

    At all
    Luka is better.

    Whoever thinks he will have a short prime hasn’t watched him play. His game isn’t based on athleticism. The size, strength, and skill aren’t going anywhere. If anything, they will continue to improve.

    We are watching a potentially all time great. Nobody that is currently in the league, including LeBron was as good at 22 as Doncic is now.
    Captive of the moment. Luka is playing in the 1st round of the playoffs in a league where everyone is allergic to playing defense and the rules are geared towards offense. Bird could post up and was a million times better shooter from distance than Luka. He also won championships and mvps (and was even all-defense a few times). Hell, he still scored 20 a game as a 35 year old cripple.

    Save the Luka is better stuff for 10 years from now when he has a body of work to compare.
    This is such a dumb take. Scoring isn’t up because guys don’t play defense, it’s up because teams realized how valuable 3 point shots are and that more 3 point shooters creates space. Guys play harder on defense than ever before with having to rotate around to shooters.

    The glory teams of yesteryear played great defense because there were always two giant oafs standing in the paint. Not because they tried harder or cared more.
    They don't play defense, and the league has changed the rules to inhibit a defender's ability to stop penetration. Guys walk down the lane unimpeded because you can't hand check anymore. Guys play harder on defense than ever before...LMAO. Okay, dude.
    Pippen and Jordan are laughing their asses off at @TheKobeStopper assertion.

    Dudes got out and flat locked opponents down.

    See also Gary Payton.

    Nobody defends like that today. The defensive player of the year this season was Rudy fucking Gobert, for Christ’s sake.

    Ok and I could name Kawhi, Lebron and Chris Paul who were lockdown guys in their prime. You’re just naming outlier defenders.

    In 2011 Lebron would guard reigning MVP Derrick Rose at the end of games and Rose couldn’t do shit. Do you know why? Because the Bulls had Gibson and Noah clogging up the paint.

    In 2015 Andre Igoudala won the Finals MVP for guarding Lebron and holding him to 39% shooting. The next year Lebron shot 50% against the same team. You want to know why?

    Because in 2015 Kevin Love was hurt and the Cavs played Mozgov and Tristan Thompson a ton. In 2016 those minutes were replaced with Kevin Love and Richard Jefferson. Shooters.

    And like I said, you just named outliers. Most defense back then was standing around and watching. I’m not taking anything away from the great defenders but the “nobody cares” narrative is bullshit. Good defense now bust their asses running around.
    There are good defensive players around the league. But there are no good defensive teams. Supposedly the Lakers were. Until they weren’t.
  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 44,536 Standard Supporter
    edited June 2021

    Kaepsknee said:

    You can start a team with 23 year old Luka or 23 year old Larry.

    Pick

    Larry.


    And it’s not close.

    @WilburHooksHands in 3....2.....
    I think its close at 23. LIPO
    You tell people to pick and then when they do you tell them to LIPO

    Inconsistent messaging
    People forget that Larry Bird was at Indiana State losing to Magic when he was 23

    Luka has been a pro since he was 14 and is in his second playoff run with historical numbers that compare to players like MJ


    To say its not close is not right

    At all
    Luka is better.

    Whoever thinks he will have a short prime hasn’t watched him play. His game isn’t based on athleticism. The size, strength, and skill aren’t going anywhere. If anything, they will continue to improve.

    We are watching a potentially all time great. Nobody that is currently in the league, including LeBron was as good at 22 as Doncic is now.
    Captive of the moment. Luka is playing in the 1st round of the playoffs in a league where everyone is allergic to playing defense and the rules are geared towards offense. Bird could post up and was a million times better shooter from distance than Luka. He also won championships and mvps (and was even all-defense a few times). Hell, he still scored 20 a game as a 35 year old cripple.

    Save the Luka is better stuff for 10 years from now when he has a body of work to compare.
    This is such a dumb take. Scoring isn’t up because guys don’t play defense, it’s up because teams realized how valuable 3 point shots are and that more 3 point shooters creates space. Guys play harder on defense than ever before with having to rotate around to shooters.

    The glory teams of yesteryear played great defense because there were always two giant oafs standing in the paint. Not because they tried harder or cared more.
    They don't play defense, and the league has changed the rules to inhibit a defender's ability to stop penetration. Guys walk down the lane unimpeded because you can't hand check anymore. Guys play harder on defense than ever before...LMAO. Okay, dude.
    Pippen and Jordan are laughing their asses off at @TheKobeStopper assertion.

    Dudes got out and flat locked opponents down.

    See also Gary Payton.

    Nobody defends like that today. The defensive player of the year this season was Rudy fucking Gobert, for Christ’s sake.

    Ok and I could name Kawhi, Lebron and Chris Paul who were lockdown guys in their prime. You’re just naming outlier defenders.

    In 2011 Lebron would guard reigning MVP Derrick Rose at the end of games and Rose couldn’t do shit. Do you know why? Because the Bulls had Gibson and Noah clogging up the paint.

    In 2015 Andre Igoudala won the Finals MVP for guarding Lebron and holding him to 39% shooting. The next year Lebron shot 50% against the same team. You want to know why?

    Because in 2015 Kevin Love was hurt and the Cavs played Mozgov and Tristan Thompson a ton. In 2016 those minutes were replaced with Kevin Love and Richard Jefferson. Shooters.

    And like I said, you just named outliers. Most defense back then was standing around and watching. I’m not taking anything away from the great defenders but the “nobody cares” narrative is bullshit. Good defense now bust their asses running around.
    So much easier to play defense back then. Tons of standing around, double teams were illegal until a player had the ball, and there were always multiple non shooters to sag off of. There were also dinosaur coaches that wouldn’t slow a player to shoot three’s off the dribble. Now with a premium on shooting and ball handling, it’s harder to defend.
    Quality trolling.

    The Denver Nuggets passing game was 'standing around'. Riiiiight.
  • BleachedAnusDawgBleachedAnusDawg Member Posts: 11,756

    Kaepsknee said:

    You can start a team with 23 year old Luka or 23 year old Larry.

    Pick

    Larry.


    And it’s not close.

    @WilburHooksHands in 3....2.....
    I think its close at 23. LIPO
    You tell people to pick and then when they do you tell them to LIPO

    Inconsistent messaging
    People forget that Larry Bird was at Indiana State losing to Magic when he was 23

    Luka has been a pro since he was 14 and is in his second playoff run with historical numbers that compare to players like MJ


    To say its not close is not right

    At all
    Luka is better.

    Whoever thinks he will have a short prime hasn’t watched him play. His game isn’t based on athleticism. The size, strength, and skill aren’t going anywhere. If anything, they will continue to improve.

    We are watching a potentially all time great. Nobody that is currently in the league, including LeBron was as good at 22 as Doncic is now.
    Captive of the moment. Luka is playing in the 1st round of the playoffs in a league where everyone is allergic to playing defense and the rules are geared towards offense. Bird could post up and was a million times better shooter from distance than Luka. He also won championships and mvps (and was even all-defense a few times). Hell, he still scored 20 a game as a 35 year old cripple.

    Save the Luka is better stuff for 10 years from now when he has a body of work to compare.
    This is such a dumb take. Scoring isn’t up because guys don’t play defense, it’s up because teams realized how valuable 3 point shots are and that more 3 point shooters creates space. Guys play harder on defense than ever before with having to rotate around to shooters.

    The glory teams of yesteryear played great defense because there were always two giant oafs standing in the paint. Not because they tried harder or cared more.
    They don't play defense, and the league has changed the rules to inhibit a defender's ability to stop penetration. Guys walk down the lane unimpeded because you can't hand check anymore. Guys play harder on defense than ever before...LMAO. Okay, dude.
    Pippen and Jordan are laughing their asses off at @TheKobeStopper assertion.

    Dudes got out and flat locked opponents down.

    See also Gary Payton.

    Nobody defends like that today. The defensive player of the year this season was Rudy fucking Gobert, for Christ’s sake.

    Ok and I could name Kawhi, Lebron and Chris Paul who were lockdown guys in their prime. You’re just naming outlier defenders.

    In 2011 Lebron would guard reigning MVP Derrick Rose at the end of games and Rose couldn’t do shit. Do you know why? Because the Bulls had Gibson and Noah clogging up the paint.

    In 2015 Andre Igoudala won the Finals MVP for guarding Lebron and holding him to 39% shooting. The next year Lebron shot 50% against the same team. You want to know why?

    Because in 2015 Kevin Love was hurt and the Cavs played Mozgov and Tristan Thompson a ton. In 2016 those minutes were replaced with Kevin Love and Richard Jefferson. Shooters.

    And like I said, you just named outliers. Most defense back then was standing around and watching. I’m not taking anything away from the great defenders but the “nobody cares” narrative is bullshit. Good defense now bust their asses running around.
    So much easier to play defense back then. Tons of standing around, double teams were illegal until a player had the ball, and there were always multiple non shooters to sag off of. There were also dinosaur coaches that wouldn’t slow a player to shoot three’s off the dribble. Now with a premium on shooting and ball handling, it’s harder to defend.
    Wouldn't it be harder to play defense when double teams were illegal until a player had the ball? Think about that sentence again.

    I've watched enough games the past couple months of the regular season to see that players don't care about defense. In the playoffs they try harder, and the teams are generally better.

    Teams regularly scoring in the 130's and 140's is not reflective of good defense and "good offense" does not account for all of that increase. The lack of caring is also reflected by star players sitting out 10-15 games a year, load managing, etc. The league is soft.
  • TheKobeStopperTheKobeStopper Member Posts: 5,959

    Kaepsknee said:

    You can start a team with 23 year old Luka or 23 year old Larry.

    Pick

    Larry.


    And it’s not close.

    @WilburHooksHands in 3....2.....
    I think its close at 23. LIPO
    You tell people to pick and then when they do you tell them to LIPO

    Inconsistent messaging
    People forget that Larry Bird was at Indiana State losing to Magic when he was 23

    Luka has been a pro since he was 14 and is in his second playoff run with historical numbers that compare to players like MJ


    To say its not close is not right

    At all
    Luka is better.

    Whoever thinks he will have a short prime hasn’t watched him play. His game isn’t based on athleticism. The size, strength, and skill aren’t going anywhere. If anything, they will continue to improve.

    We are watching a potentially all time great. Nobody that is currently in the league, including LeBron was as good at 22 as Doncic is now.
    Captive of the moment. Luka is playing in the 1st round of the playoffs in a league where everyone is allergic to playing defense and the rules are geared towards offense. Bird could post up and was a million times better shooter from distance than Luka. He also won championships and mvps (and was even all-defense a few times). Hell, he still scored 20 a game as a 35 year old cripple.

    Save the Luka is better stuff for 10 years from now when he has a body of work to compare.
    This is such a dumb take. Scoring isn’t up because guys don’t play defense, it’s up because teams realized how valuable 3 point shots are and that more 3 point shooters creates space. Guys play harder on defense than ever before with having to rotate around to shooters.

    The glory teams of yesteryear played great defense because there were always two giant oafs standing in the paint. Not because they tried harder or cared more.
    They don't play defense, and the league has changed the rules to inhibit a defender's ability to stop penetration. Guys walk down the lane unimpeded because you can't hand check anymore. Guys play harder on defense than ever before...LMAO. Okay, dude.
    Pippen and Jordan are laughing their asses off at @TheKobeStopper assertion.

    Dudes got out and flat locked opponents down.

    See also Gary Payton.

    Nobody defends like that today. The defensive player of the year this season was Rudy fucking Gobert, for Christ’s sake.

    Ok and I could name Kawhi, Lebron and Chris Paul who were lockdown guys in their prime. You’re just naming outlier defenders.

    In 2011 Lebron would guard reigning MVP Derrick Rose at the end of games and Rose couldn’t do shit. Do you know why? Because the Bulls had Gibson and Noah clogging up the paint.

    In 2015 Andre Igoudala won the Finals MVP for guarding Lebron and holding him to 39% shooting. The next year Lebron shot 50% against the same team. You want to know why?

    Because in 2015 Kevin Love was hurt and the Cavs played Mozgov and Tristan Thompson a ton. In 2016 those minutes were replaced with Kevin Love and Richard Jefferson. Shooters.

    And like I said, you just named outliers. Most defense back then was standing around and watching. I’m not taking anything away from the great defenders but the “nobody cares” narrative is bullshit. Good defense now bust their asses running around.
    So much easier to play defense back then. Tons of standing around, double teams were illegal until a player had the ball, and there were always multiple non shooters to sag off of. There were also dinosaur coaches that wouldn’t slow a player to shoot three’s off the dribble. Now with a premium on shooting and ball handling, it’s harder to defend.
    Wouldn't it be harder to play defense when double teams were illegal until a player had the ball? Think about that sentence again.

    I've watched enough games the past couple months of the regular season to see that players don't care about defense. In the playoffs they try harder, and the teams are generally better.

    Teams regularly scoring in the 130's and 140's is not reflective of good defense and "good offense" does not account for all of that increase. The lack of caring is also reflected by star players sitting out 10-15 games a year, load managing, etc. The league is soft.
    I will say I agree that players and coaches care less about the regular season now than ever before. But that’s always been a thing to some degree. Jordan’s whole thing and why they won 72 games was because he brought it every night and that was unique.
  • RoadDawg55RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,123

    Kaepsknee said:

    You can start a team with 23 year old Luka or 23 year old Larry.

    Pick

    Larry.


    And it’s not close.

    @WilburHooksHands in 3....2.....
    I think its close at 23. LIPO
    You tell people to pick and then when they do you tell them to LIPO

    Inconsistent messaging
    People forget that Larry Bird was at Indiana State losing to Magic when he was 23

    Luka has been a pro since he was 14 and is in his second playoff run with historical numbers that compare to players like MJ


    To say its not close is not right

    At all
    Luka is better.

    Whoever thinks he will have a short prime hasn’t watched him play. His game isn’t based on athleticism. The size, strength, and skill aren’t going anywhere. If anything, they will continue to improve.

    We are watching a potentially all time great. Nobody that is currently in the league, including LeBron was as good at 22 as Doncic is now.
    Captive of the moment. Luka is playing in the 1st round of the playoffs in a league where everyone is allergic to playing defense and the rules are geared towards offense. Bird could post up and was a million times better shooter from distance than Luka. He also won championships and mvps (and was even all-defense a few times). Hell, he still scored 20 a game as a 35 year old cripple.

    Save the Luka is better stuff for 10 years from now when he has a body of work to compare.
    This is such a dumb take. Scoring isn’t up because guys don’t play defense, it’s up because teams realized how valuable 3 point shots are and that more 3 point shooters creates space. Guys play harder on defense than ever before with having to rotate around to shooters.

    The glory teams of yesteryear played great defense because there were always two giant oafs standing in the paint. Not because they tried harder or cared more.
    They don't play defense, and the league has changed the rules to inhibit a defender's ability to stop penetration. Guys walk down the lane unimpeded because you can't hand check anymore. Guys play harder on defense than ever before...LMAO. Okay, dude.
    Pippen and Jordan are laughing their asses off at @TheKobeStopper assertion.

    Dudes got out and flat locked opponents down.

    See also Gary Payton.

    Nobody defends like that today. The defensive player of the year this season was Rudy fucking Gobert, for Christ’s sake.

    Ok and I could name Kawhi, Lebron and Chris Paul who were lockdown guys in their prime. You’re just naming outlier defenders.

    In 2011 Lebron would guard reigning MVP Derrick Rose at the end of games and Rose couldn’t do shit. Do you know why? Because the Bulls had Gibson and Noah clogging up the paint.

    In 2015 Andre Igoudala won the Finals MVP for guarding Lebron and holding him to 39% shooting. The next year Lebron shot 50% against the same team. You want to know why?

    Because in 2015 Kevin Love was hurt and the Cavs played Mozgov and Tristan Thompson a ton. In 2016 those minutes were replaced with Kevin Love and Richard Jefferson. Shooters.

    And like I said, you just named outliers. Most defense back then was standing around and watching. I’m not taking anything away from the great defenders but the “nobody cares” narrative is bullshit. Good defense now bust their asses running around.
    So much easier to play defense back then. Tons of standing around, double teams were illegal until a player had the ball, and there were always multiple non shooters to sag off of. There were also dinosaur coaches that wouldn’t slow a player to shoot three’s off the dribble. Now with a premium on shooting and ball handling, it’s harder to defend.
    Wouldn't it be harder to play defense when double teams were illegal until a player had the ball? Think about that sentence again.

    I've watched enough games the past couple months of the regular season to see that players don't care about defense. In the playoffs they try harder, and the teams are generally better.

    Teams regularly scoring in the 130's and 140's is not reflective of good defense and "good offense" does not account for all of that increase. The lack of caring is also reflected by star players sitting out 10-15 games a year, load managing, etc. The league is soft.
    I will say I agree that players and coaches care less about the regular season now than ever before. But that’s always been a thing to some degree. Jordan’s whole thing and why they won 72 games was because he brought it every night and that was unique.
    It rarely works when teams try to turn it on for the playoffs.
  • RoadDawg55RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,123

    Kaepsknee said:

    You can start a team with 23 year old Luka or 23 year old Larry.

    Pick

    Larry.


    And it’s not close.

    @WilburHooksHands in 3....2.....
    I think its close at 23. LIPO
    You tell people to pick and then when they do you tell them to LIPO

    Inconsistent messaging
    People forget that Larry Bird was at Indiana State losing to Magic when he was 23

    Luka has been a pro since he was 14 and is in his second playoff run with historical numbers that compare to players like MJ


    To say its not close is not right

    At all
    Luka is better.

    Whoever thinks he will have a short prime hasn’t watched him play. His game isn’t based on athleticism. The size, strength, and skill aren’t going anywhere. If anything, they will continue to improve.

    We are watching a potentially all time great. Nobody that is currently in the league, including LeBron was as good at 22 as Doncic is now.
    Captive of the moment. Luka is playing in the 1st round of the playoffs in a league where everyone is allergic to playing defense and the rules are geared towards offense. Bird could post up and was a million times better shooter from distance than Luka. He also won championships and mvps (and was even all-defense a few times). Hell, he still scored 20 a game as a 35 year old cripple.

    Save the Luka is better stuff for 10 years from now when he has a body of work to compare.
    This is such a dumb take. Scoring isn’t up because guys don’t play defense, it’s up because teams realized how valuable 3 point shots are and that more 3 point shooters creates space. Guys play harder on defense than ever before with having to rotate around to shooters.

    The glory teams of yesteryear played great defense because there were always two giant oafs standing in the paint. Not because they tried harder or cared more.
    They don't play defense, and the league has changed the rules to inhibit a defender's ability to stop penetration. Guys walk down the lane unimpeded because you can't hand check anymore. Guys play harder on defense than ever before...LMAO. Okay, dude.
    Pippen and Jordan are laughing their asses off at @TheKobeStopper assertion.

    Dudes got out and flat locked opponents down.

    See also Gary Payton.

    Nobody defends like that today. The defensive player of the year this season was Rudy fucking Gobert, for Christ’s sake.

    Ok and I could name Kawhi, Lebron and Chris Paul who were lockdown guys in their prime. You’re just naming outlier defenders.

    In 2011 Lebron would guard reigning MVP Derrick Rose at the end of games and Rose couldn’t do shit. Do you know why? Because the Bulls had Gibson and Noah clogging up the paint.

    In 2015 Andre Igoudala won the Finals MVP for guarding Lebron and holding him to 39% shooting. The next year Lebron shot 50% against the same team. You want to know why?

    Because in 2015 Kevin Love was hurt and the Cavs played Mozgov and Tristan Thompson a ton. In 2016 those minutes were replaced with Kevin Love and Richard Jefferson. Shooters.

    And like I said, you just named outliers. Most defense back then was standing around and watching. I’m not taking anything away from the great defenders but the “nobody cares” narrative is bullshit. Good defense now bust their asses running around.
    So much easier to play defense back then. Tons of standing around, double teams were illegal until a player had the ball, and there were always multiple non shooters to sag off of. There were also dinosaur coaches that wouldn’t slow a player to shoot three’s off the dribble. Now with a premium on shooting and ball handling, it’s harder to defend.
    Wouldn't it be harder to play defense when double teams were illegal until a player had the ball? Think about that sentence again.

    I've watched enough games the past couple months of the regular season to see that players don't care about defense. In the playoffs they try harder, and the teams are generally better.

    Teams regularly scoring in the 130's and 140's is not reflective of good defense and "good offense" does not account for all of that increase. The lack of caring is also reflected by star players sitting out 10-15 games a year, load managing, etc. The league is soft.
    Yeah, dumb point by me. The rest is valid. It was easier to play defense when 3-4 non shooters were on the floor. They didn’t have to worry about PG’s pulling 3’s off the dribble. The offense is way better now and I’m not sure how that can be argued.

    The league is softer and friendlier but I don’t think defense has gotten markedly worse.
  • EwaDawgEwaDawg Member Posts: 4,273

    You can start a team with 23 year old Luka or 23 year old Larry.

    Pick

    Larry Fucking Bird. All day, every day.

    This is how I know the correct answer is LUKA.
  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 44,536 Standard Supporter
    EwaDawg said:

    You can start a team with 23 year old Luka or 23 year old Larry.

    Pick

    Larry Fucking Bird. All day, every day.

    This is how I know the correct answer is LUKA.
    Because at age 23, Larry Bird was in the most watched NCAA title game ever.

    At 24 Larry Bird won a division title.

    At 25 Larry Bird won an NBA title

    You’re fucking insane if you thing Luka is going to win a title in the next two years.

    Dallas lost in the first round as Luka disappeared in every fourth quarter.











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