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The challenge I have with any explanation to anything being tied to it being "systemic" is that it really doesn't get to the root of what is causing the systemic elementTheKobeStopper said:
2% of poor white kids and 10% of rich black kids going to jail isn’t an opinion.RaceBannon said:
Your source is an opinion not factsTheKobeStopper said:
Well, you also believe the people doing criminal justice studies aren’t smart enough to realize there’s different types of crimes so I can live with this.SFGbob said:
Since you're a proven liar and your source isn't publicly accessible I don't believe you.TheKobeStopper said:
Those things are accounted for in the studies.SFGbob said:
Firewall protected and what do you want to bet that they compare apples to dog shit? Black Kid with multiple priors gets busted for robbery. White Kid with no priors gets busted for robbery. See, the black kid got sent to prison and the white kids got probation. Racism!!!!TheKobeStopper said:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/03/23/poor-white-kids-are-less-likely-to-go-to-prison-than-rich-black-kids/?outputType=ampRaceBannon said:
Link?TheKobeStopper said:
Rich black kids are more likely to go to jail than poor white kids. Money makes the most difference though.RaceBannon said:
Money makes the most differencePurpleThrobber said:
@OJSimpsonDawg, true?TheKobeStopper said:
Of course. I had a conservative friend express to me that he thought it was clear Chauvin was guilty but he was concerned about the fairness of the trial. Friend, not former friend.GreenRiverGatorz said:
Is it possible that some people are consistent advocates of fair trials, regardless of circumstance?TheKobeStopper said:
The evidence is overwhelming that black people don’t get fair trials in America. But fair trials aren’t a problem until a cop puts his knee on someone’s neck for 9 minutes.BleachedAnusDawg said:Not surprised. This decision didn't really matter, other than the rioting, because it's going to be appealed so LIPO. The guy wasn't going to get a fair trial. There is no way anyone can convince me he intended to kill Floyd.
But a lot of people on the right reject any notion that black people don’t get fair trials. If someone doesn’t think it’s possible that black people aren’t getting fair trials but they bitch about the fairness of this trial, there might be a reason for that. A crystal clear, confederate flag in the capitol, reason.
Poor people get @HHusky
Whatever our fucked up relationship is now, I put it on all of our old shit that the numbers on this are really bad. That they account for income, that they account for the types of crimes and criminal records. It’s really bad. I know you can’t go here because our justice SYSTEM giving unequal outcome based on RACE, kinda hurts your whole “no systemic racism” bit but it’s real and anyone with half a brain can see it.
I'm not naïve to the fact that there are different treatments throughout our judicial system based on a number of factors ...
But until we get down to the root causes of the issue, we're not solving anything.
In the end, I'm interested in solutions. What I see right now (in society in general, notably from governmental leadership on all sides) is a lot of rhetoric that focuses on division and festering the problem instead of actually trying to find solutions.
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I don’t deal in hypotheticals?Tequilla said:
Couple of questions:TheKobeStopper said:
Of course. I had a conservative friend express to me that he thought it was clear Chauvin was guilty but he was concerned about the fairness of the trial. Friend, not former friend.GreenRiverGatorz said:
Is it possible that some people are consistent advocates of fair trials, regardless of circumstance?TheKobeStopper said:
The evidence is overwhelming that black people don’t get fair trials in America. But fair trials aren’t a problem until a cop puts his knee on someone’s neck for 9 minutes.BleachedAnusDawg said:Not surprised. This decision didn't really matter, other than the rioting, because it's going to be appealed so LIPO. The guy wasn't going to get a fair trial. There is no way anyone can convince me he intended to kill Floyd.
But a lot of people on the right reject any notion that black people don’t get fair trials. If someone doesn’t think it’s possible that black people aren’t getting fair trials but they bitch about the fairness of this trial, there might be a reason for that. A crystal clear, confederate flag in the capitol, reason.
1) What if your friend said that he thought he was guilty of manslaughter but not murder - how would you have reacted?
2) What if your friend said that based on the overall fairness of the trial (including some really questionable public comments leading up to the jury deliberating, which I'm sure that that's what he was referencing) he expects that the outcome to get overturn during the appeal process - how would you react?
I think those are just legal interpretations and don’t have a major problem with it. The manslaughter/murder one might be a little tricky. It implies, to me, that you don’t think a cop can ever murder someone in that situation. I mean the video is really bad and if that’s not enough for you to go all the way, how bad would it have be to get there?
The Trumpers positions on this are monstrous. Nothing that you said here approaches that. -
It's really mind boggling ...SFGbob said:
Great point. The system is racist and discriminates against black people! Lets give more power and money to the system!!!!RaceBannon said:
You just have no data to back it upTheKobeStopper said:
2% of poor white kids and 10% of rich black kids going to jail isn’t an opinion.RaceBannon said:
Your source is an opinion not factsTheKobeStopper said:
Well, you also believe the people doing criminal justice studies aren’t smart enough to realize there’s different types of crimes so I can live with this.SFGbob said:
Since you're a proven liar and your source isn't publicly accessible I don't believe you.TheKobeStopper said:
Those things are accounted for in the studies.SFGbob said:
Firewall protected and what do you want to bet that they compare apples to dog shit? Black Kid with multiple priors gets busted for robbery. White Kid with no priors gets busted for robbery. See, the black kid got sent to prison and the white kids got probation. Racism!!!!TheKobeStopper said:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/03/23/poor-white-kids-are-less-likely-to-go-to-prison-than-rich-black-kids/?outputType=ampRaceBannon said:
Link?TheKobeStopper said:
Rich black kids are more likely to go to jail than poor white kids. Money makes the most difference though.RaceBannon said:
Money makes the most differencePurpleThrobber said:
@OJSimpsonDawg, true?TheKobeStopper said:
Of course. I had a conservative friend express to me that he thought it was clear Chauvin was guilty but he was concerned about the fairness of the trial. Friend, not former friend.GreenRiverGatorz said:
Is it possible that some people are consistent advocates of fair trials, regardless of circumstance?TheKobeStopper said:
The evidence is overwhelming that black people don’t get fair trials in America. But fair trials aren’t a problem until a cop puts his knee on someone’s neck for 9 minutes.BleachedAnusDawg said:Not surprised. This decision didn't really matter, other than the rioting, because it's going to be appealed so LIPO. The guy wasn't going to get a fair trial. There is no way anyone can convince me he intended to kill Floyd.
But a lot of people on the right reject any notion that black people don’t get fair trials. If someone doesn’t think it’s possible that black people aren’t getting fair trials but they bitch about the fairness of this trial, there might be a reason for that. A crystal clear, confederate flag in the capitol, reason.
Poor people get @HHusky
Whatever our fucked up relationship is now, I put it on all of our old shit that the numbers on this are really bad. That they account for income, that they account for the types of crimes and criminal records. It’s really bad. I know you can’t go here because our justice SYSTEM giving unequal outcome based on RACE, kinda hurts your whole “no systemic racism” bit but it’s real and anyone with half a brain can see it.
Unequal outcome based on income is provable
I have no vested interest in proving the state to be pure
I'll leave that to the statist worshippers like you who want to give the state total control of your life
Good luck
Those that speak up the most about the status quo are those most disillusioned with our government
Yet, those same people want to give the government more power
The idea being that by giving DIFFERENT LEADERS the power everything will change
History teaches us that the more power that you give government the more that they'll abuse it.
At the core, that's why the United States was founded on the concept of "We The People" ... it was always about de-centralizing governmental power and authority ... it's why there's a separation of Federal and State rights.
Yet everything we're doing right now is the antithesis of what this country was founded on ... MORE power to the federal government ... MORE centralization and emphasis on the federal government ... eliminating the freedom of the people as a means of checks and balances -
He nailed it.hardhat said:
It's not going to change until people stand up to the leftist cocksuckers -
Your bolded is where I somewhat struggle with Minnesota's law as written and the verdict ...TurdBomber said:
Hey Idiot and your butt-buddy @dflea:GreenRiverGatorz said:
That's the law. Pretty cut and dry shit. Unless you're a fucking idiot.TurdBomber said:
Then how is it a murder?GreenRiverGatorz said:
Intention to kill is not required for 2nd degree murder.BleachedAnusDawg said:Not surprised. This decision didn't really matter, other than the rioting, because it's going to be appealed so LIPO. The guy wasn't going to get a fair trial. There is no way anyone can convince me he intended to kill Floyd.
You don't know what you're talking about.
609.19 MURDER IN THE SECOND DEGREE.
Subdivision 1.Intentional murder; drive-by shootings. Whoever does either of the following is guilty of murder in the second degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 40 years:
(1) causes the death of a human being with intent to effect the death of that person or another, but without premeditation; or
(2) causes the death of a human being while committing or attempting to commit a drive-by shooting in violation of section 609.66, subdivision 1e, under circumstances other than those described in section 609.185, paragraph (a), clause (3).
So the question is, @GreenRiverGatorz and @dflea, my always-pressing inferior, How does my ass taste?
Obviously we can see the outcome of the action leading to death
The question for me would be can we conclude and prove that the actions were intended to effect the death of the person? We can prove that they did. Can we prove the intent? That's much more of a dicey proof in my mind.
Without seeing the facts of the case directly, it's hard for me to really opine one way or another. Manslaughter would seem to be a slam dunk here. -
He was charged with second degree unintentional murder, you stupid fucking faggot. Explain how that requires intent, being how it's UNINTENTIONAL. Tell it to the state of Minnesota if you don't like it, idiot - it isn't my fucking law.TurdBomber said:
Hey Idiot and your butt-buddy @dflea:GreenRiverGatorz said:
That's the law. Pretty cut and dry shit. Unless you're a fucking idiot.TurdBomber said:
Then how is it a murder?GreenRiverGatorz said:
Intention to kill is not required for 2nd degree murder.BleachedAnusDawg said:Not surprised. This decision didn't really matter, other than the rioting, because it's going to be appealed so LIPO. The guy wasn't going to get a fair trial. There is no way anyone can convince me he intended to kill Floyd.
You don't know what you're talking about.
609.19 MURDER IN THE SECOND DEGREE.
Subdivision 1.Intentional murder; drive-by shootings. Whoever does either of the following is guilty of murder in the second degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 40 years:
(1) causes the death of a human being with intent to effect the death of that person or another, but without premeditation; or
(2) causes the death of a human being while committing or attempting to commit a drive-by shooting in violation of section 609.66, subdivision 1e, under circumstances other than those described in section 609.185, paragraph (a), clause (3).
So the question is, @GreenRiverGatorz and @dflea, my always-pressing inferior, How does my ass taste?
Get the fuck outta here, teacher's kid. Go eat your own ass, retard.
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Foster Law School graduate heard from claiming other people are doing what he just fucking did.TurdBomber said:
Your devotion to @dflea's scrotum is noted.HairyBallsDawg said:
Not flea or gatorz but I always assume your ass tastes like a combination of shit, SFGbob's dick, and whatever flavor lube you two use when you go at each other.TurdBomber said:
How does my ass taste?GreenRiverGatorz said:
That's the law. Pretty cut and dry shit. Unless you're a fucking idiot.TurdBomber said:
Then how is it a murder?GreenRiverGatorz said:
Intention to kill is not required for 2nd degree murder.BleachedAnusDawg said:Not surprised. This decision didn't really matter, other than the rioting, because it's going to be appealed so LIPO. The guy wasn't going to get a fair trial. There is no way anyone can convince me he intended to kill Floyd.
You don't know what you're talking about.
Nice handle, too. Press much?
I'll leave you @dflea, @GreenRiverGatorz and @HairyBallsDawg "the faggot trio" to frantically google "Minnesota Second Degree Murder" while jerking each other off.
As far as I'm concerned, we're done here, flyweights.
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Thought he’d end up going down for Man2. Surprised all 3 charges stuck, tbh, but I can’t believe there were people that thought he would walk.
Now I guess we wait and see if the usual race hustlers have enough juice to squeeze out a few riots so they can raise more money.
At least Cable news has plenty of material to continue conditioning us all to hate each other, so that’s nice.
