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Redshirting Budda Baker(deserves own thread)
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This poast is toast. Silly from the get go
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Nice rhyming you got there DR. Seus.puppylove_sugarsteel said:This poast is toast. Silly from the get go
Yes I need to quit being silly or next time I'll be banned no warning. Done. -
Sark left us no juniors or seniors at safety after five years of recruiting. Indefensibly stupid.
Neuheisel has been the best example of a coach understanding the long term interests of the team in our post-DJ era. S -
Why do you hate dude brah precision stategery?Global said:Sark left us no juniors or seniors at safety after five years of recruiting. Indefensibly stupid.
Neuheisel has been the best example of a coach understanding the long term interests of the team in our post-DJ era. S -
Take that back, the thread is starting to come alive
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Well James Sample was supposed to be an upperclassmen Safety by now. Along with Darien Washington. I think Sark's problem was one that Coach Pete tries to avoid with OKG. He wants guys that do the work in the classroom as well and guys with character. When you don't have those attributes kids flame out leaving holes.
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I was really excited for Sample, wish he hadn't moved on. Dude could hit.DawgDaze71 said:Well James Sample was supposed to be an upperclassmen Safety by now. Along with Darien Washington. I think Sark's problem was one that Coach Pete tries to avoid with OKG. He wants guys that do the work in the classroom as well and guys with character. When you don't have those attributes kids flame out leaving holes.
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Jesus guys it really isn't that hard.
If Budda Baker (or ANY player for that matter) is good enough, as in starter or backup who will play quality (key word) minutes he should play. If he would be a very situation guy who doesn't really impact much then he will red shirt.
Remember guys we don't have a stupid faggy overweight frat boy running the show anymore. -
Qualls actually got a redshirt. Farria and Mathis both had theirs burned so they could play in the 4th quarter against Idaho State and Cal. Absolutely stupid and I guarantee we will be wishing those guys had an extra year of eligibility in 3 yearsHe_Needs_More_Time said:
Did he? I thought Sark burned his RS too against Boise. I remember there was two DL he burned their RS seasons for no fucking reason at all.DawgDaze71 said:
Qualls RS as well.He_Needs_More_Time said:
Josh Shirley was redshirted though. Not that it mattered since Sark never played him last year for whatever reason.chuck said:
Redshirting star caliber players, those likely to be first day draft picks after three years, is a waste of a year. It isn't an easy task, but the coaches are being paid millions to show great judgement about who these few players are and make decisions about redshirting accordingly.DawgDaze71 said:Redshirting has lost its luster. NFL Rookie Salary cap makes Junior more likely to leave the program.
Playing a guy like Shaq Thompson as a freshman was a no brainer. Danny Shelton was probably a defensible decision. Guys like Josh Shirley, Elijah Qualls, Marcus Farria, etc (this list could go on for a mile just using the past 5 years) as freshmen were questionable decisions at best. There's no way to view Sark as anything but a failure in this aspect of his job at UW.
Baker is going to play and probably has to based not just on talent but also on the lack of good players on the roster at his position. -
If you can't see why needing depth in the 4th quarter against the juggernaut Bengals and Golden Bears is necessary then I can't help you.bananasnblondes said:
Qualls actually got a redshirt. Farria and Mathis both had theirs burned so they could play in the 4th quarter against Idaho State and Cal. Absolutely stupid and I guarantee we will be wishing those guys had an extra year of eligibility in 3 yearsHe_Needs_More_Time said:
Did he? I thought Sark burned his RS too against Boise. I remember there was two DL he burned their RS seasons for no fucking reason at all.DawgDaze71 said:
Qualls RS as well.He_Needs_More_Time said:
Josh Shirley was redshirted though. Not that it mattered since Sark never played him last year for whatever reason.chuck said:
Redshirting star caliber players, those likely to be first day draft picks after three years, is a waste of a year. It isn't an easy task, but the coaches are being paid millions to show great judgement about who these few players are and make decisions about redshirting accordingly.DawgDaze71 said:Redshirting has lost its luster. NFL Rookie Salary cap makes Junior more likely to leave the program.
Playing a guy like Shaq Thompson as a freshman was a no brainer. Danny Shelton was probably a defensible decision. Guys like Josh Shirley, Elijah Qualls, Marcus Farria, etc (this list could go on for a mile just using the past 5 years) as freshmen were questionable decisions at best. There's no way to view Sark as anything but a failure in this aspect of his job at UW.
Baker is going to play and probably has to based not just on talent but also on the lack of good players on the roster at his position. -
That's it. I do remember Sark burning two of our three DL when we didn't even need to play them.bananasnblondes said:
Qualls actually got a redshirt. Farria and Mathis both had theirs burned so they could play in the 4th quarter against Idaho State and Cal. Absolutely stupid and I guarantee we will be wishing those guys had an extra year of eligibility in 3 yearsHe_Needs_More_Time said:
Did he? I thought Sark burned his RS too against Boise. I remember there was two DL he burned their RS seasons for no fucking reason at all.DawgDaze71 said:
Qualls RS as well.He_Needs_More_Time said:
Josh Shirley was redshirted though. Not that it mattered since Sark never played him last year for whatever reason.chuck said:
Redshirting star caliber players, those likely to be first day draft picks after three years, is a waste of a year. It isn't an easy task, but the coaches are being paid millions to show great judgement about who these few players are and make decisions about redshirting accordingly.DawgDaze71 said:Redshirting has lost its luster. NFL Rookie Salary cap makes Junior more likely to leave the program.
Playing a guy like Shaq Thompson as a freshman was a no brainer. Danny Shelton was probably a defensible decision. Guys like Josh Shirley, Elijah Qualls, Marcus Farria, etc (this list could go on for a mile just using the past 5 years) as freshmen were questionable decisions at best. There's no way to view Sark as anything but a failure in this aspect of his job at UW.
Baker is going to play and probably has to based not just on talent but also on the lack of good players on the roster at his position.
I'm surprised he didn't waste Coleman's RS season for a garbage time carry against Cal or Colorado.
It used to piss me off when I'd see Price limping around there in blowouts when Miles or Lindquist should have been taking some snaps. -
Don James never had to play Idaho State.bananasnblondes said:
Farria and Mathis both had theirs burned so they could play in the 4th quarter against Idaho State and Cal. -
Neither did:uw2010 said:
Don James never had to play Idaho State.bananasnblondes said:
Farria and Mathis both had theirs burned so they could play in the 4th quarter against Idaho State and Cal.
Jim Lambright
Rick Neuheisal
Keith Gilbertson
Tyrone Willingham
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I agree, and I too have not given Neuheisel enough credit for this. Overall though, I still see negatives in him as a head coach. The Huskies did get soft under his watch. He did not put the proper emphasis on developing future NFL players along the lines. He had a few, but in my opinion, the program changed under him for the worse by transitioning to a finesse team. And, if you look at the jump UCLA has taken by Mora taking over, you can see pretty clearly that UCLA was being held back to some extent by Rick as head coach. But give credit where credit is due. Rick was very good to the players, not just in redshirting those who really needed it, but also in unsaid behind the scenes ways. Rick genuinely gives a shit about the players, unlike little man syndrome Tyrone and snake oil salesman Sarkisian. Rick really doesn't deserve the throttling he seems to get from some.chuck said:
What about Reggie Williams though. Imagine how scary he would have been flexing at the other teams if he could have spent a RS year working out.dnc said:
The program destroyer redshirted Brett Hundley for Mora, too, despite not having a QB.He_Needs_More_Time said:
I used to always bring that up when Tybots would point out how Rick destroyed the program and I'd point out that in 2006 and 2007 Ty had 20+ 5th year SR's.dnc said:Budda's the Nate Robinson or Kenny James of this class.
I miss Rick redshirting entire classes except one.
Of course that was dismissed as all Tybots hated facts.
One could argue that Rick was too conservative with his true frosh, but he's the exact kind of coach you want to follow, not the kind you hate to follow despite the popular doog narrative.
Thanks a lot Rick.
Seriously that's a pretty impressive thing about RN that I never really paid attention to. He was unusual in his willingness to sacrifice short term for long term gain when it came to players. We've been dealing with the opposite (burning RS for garbage time minutes, blocking on KO returns, etc) for so long that it's hard to imagine using that approach now.
Having said all of that, it's been over a decade since Rick had anything to do with the Huskies, it's probably time to turn the page and move onto the Peterman era. So far, I like what this guy is doing. What a freaking change. A competent, professional adult finally in charge of the program. Long overdue. Now it's time to see if that translates to winning championships again. I think it will, but if not, it'll be time to promptly get back on the coaching carousel, like any respectable program would. -
Rick had realized that he was making a mistake with his line recruiting, but he was also unlucky. Not many will remember the signing day thrills of getting top linemen Francisco Tipoti, and an even bigger get -- Nathan Rhodes, the 5 star dream OT. Tipoti had issues, and Rhodes never played a down, after discovering a congenital back problem.
But while Rick realized his Husky teams had problems on the OL, and he had realized he needed to get tougher, he actually was turning in the wrong direction, because in the off-season just before he was fired, he hired a new OL coach -- Dan Cozzetto. Yes, the same marine sergeant screamer that Sark hired but has left off the USC staff. Cozzetto coached that one next season under Gilby, then left, to the great delight of the OL at that time. I remember Juan Garcia saying, politely, that after Cozzetto was gone that it was good to be getting coaching at a normal volume.
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Don't get me wrong. I don't think RN is a good head coach. He found ways to win some games but was not building a good team. His talent evaluation was horrendous and the team did worse than get soft under him. It also got smaller, slower and weaker. The program had no direction that I could see.Southerndawg said:
I agree, and I too have not given Neuheisel enough credit for this. Overall though, I still see negatives in him as a head coach. The Huskies did get soft under his watch. He did not put the proper emphasis on developing future NFL players along the lines. He had a few, but in my opinion, the program changed under him for the worse by transitioning to a finesse team. And, if you look at the jump UCLA has taken by Mora taking over, you can see pretty clearly that UCLA was being held back to some extent by Rick as head coach. But give credit where credit is due. Rick was very good to the players, not just in redshirting those who really needed it, but also in unsaid behind the scenes ways. Rick genuinely gives a shit about the players, unlike little man syndrome Tyrone and snake oil salesman Sarkisian. Rick really doesn't deserve the throttling he seems to get from some.chuck said:
What about Reggie Williams though. Imagine how scary he would have been flexing at the other teams if he could have spent a RS year working out.dnc said:
The program destroyer redshirted Brett Hundley for Mora, too, despite not having a QB.He_Needs_More_Time said:
I used to always bring that up when Tybots would point out how Rick destroyed the program and I'd point out that in 2006 and 2007 Ty had 20+ 5th year SR's.dnc said:Budda's the Nate Robinson or Kenny James of this class.
I miss Rick redshirting entire classes except one.
Of course that was dismissed as all Tybots hated facts.
One could argue that Rick was too conservative with his true frosh, but he's the exact kind of coach you want to follow, not the kind you hate to follow despite the popular doog narrative.
Thanks a lot Rick.
Seriously that's a pretty impressive thing about RN that I never really paid attention to. He was unusual in his willingness to sacrifice short term for long term gain when it came to players. We've been dealing with the opposite (burning RS for garbage time minutes, blocking on KO returns, etc) for so long that it's hard to imagine using that approach now.
Having said all of that, it's been over a decade since Rick had anything to do with the Huskies, it's probably time to turn the page and move onto the Peterman era. So far, I like what this guy is doing. What a freaking change. A competent, professional adult finally in charge of the program. Long overdue. Now it's time to see if that translates to winning championships again. I think it will, but if not, it'll be time to promptly get back on the coaching carousel, like any respectable program would.
I like him as a personality and he seems like a smart guy. He's right where he should be.
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