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Last words of Epstein before hedoogie said:Profit incentive to lock humans in cages is a bit twisted, IMO.
If prisons become “too expensive” to fund, alternatives will be sought.committed suicidewas offed under the watchful eyes of New York prison guards. -
I get it in some regards. But prison isn’t just necessarily about only rehabilitation though, it’s punitive, and should be punitive to some extent as a deterrent. I’m way more willing to let the weed smoker out than I am the window smasher.TheKobeStopper said:
The conditions are generally worse. They hire less guards, pay them less, have higher rates of inmate assaults. Their goal is not rehabilitation. But also, importantly, it’s what their goal is, to make money. The best way for them to grow is growth in mass incarceration so they spend money on political action and lobbyists to make that happen.Bob_C said:
Honest question, what is the big benefit to getting rid of private prisons from your perspective? Conditions? Cost savings? Not very educated on the topic.TheKobeStopper said:
Calm down. PRIVATE prisons. He signed an executive order to phase out private prisons. Not no more prisons.Tequilla said:
What do you define as phasing out prisons?TheKobeStopper said:
I’ll say this for Biden, I do think he’s a true believer in liberalism. People like Obama and Pelosi just use it to line their pockets and even certain members of Biden’s family may not see it the same way. But it does seem like there’s a human being in there.Tequilla said:
What has Biden done on this besides talking in red meat platitudes that play well with the Democratic base that hasn’t caught onto the fact that their party is in bed with Wall Street way more than they want their supporters to believe?TheKobeStopper said:
Dude you’re smarter than this. That’s the entire point, the politicians are in on it too. That’s why Biden speaking and working against it matters.Pitchfork51 said:Tax incentives are not "loopholes
They are put in place to encourage certain behaviors.
So don't get mad when business do those exact things that the lawmakers are encouraging.
So either they are cooking the books and yes they should be busted.
Or the laws are stupid, in which it's the politicians fault.
At no point is the empty moral battle cry useful. Only to stupid faggots like you
The left is trying to deal with actual corruption, not Hunter Biden’s laptop and 78 hearings on Benghazi that go nowhere. Bernie battered Hillary for being in bed with Wall Street, people forget that.
I don’t expect much from Biden but this is a clear turn from Hillary and Obama style politics, if he follows through. Big if though.
Did he do anything to date as President? How about the 8 years as VP? Or how about all those years as a Senator?
Actions >>> Words
He’s still a lib, he’s still corrupt but if he pushes through an infrastructure bill and raises taxes on corporations to pay for it, that would be more than Obama ever did. The stimulus, however much credit he gets for it, and phasing out private prisons are reasons for hope.
Are you advocating for no prisons at all?
Or are you advocating for prisons to only be under government control? And if at the government control level, do you think that’s a Federal, State, or Local level of control?
I’m with you on the lobbying money aspect though. Though that’s the case in many things like environmental regulations(both for increasing and decreasing), student loan debt disappearing through bankruptcy and many other countless things. Let’s not choose to get rid of lobbying where it aligns with personal cause. All or nothing. -
My point is that for many what that period represents what happens when you have general levels of apathy and don’t hold the leadership accountable for on field resultsBob_C said:
Bottoming out is only a good thing in the pros. Going 0-12 have UW the cover to not actually hire a real coach, and worse the fan base ate up the turnaround from 0-12 to a minor bowl two years from then as some sort of great accomplishment.Tequilla said:
Speaks volumes to what? That you have no clue what you are talking about?RaceBannon said:
This speaks volumesTequilla said:
You can backtrack at any point and acknowledge that you have no clue who I may or may not have voted forRaceBannon said:
I thought you had to be spoon fed this by news readers?Tequilla said:
What has Biden done on this besides talking in red meat platitudes that play well with the Democratic base that hasn’t caught onto the fact that their party is in bed with Wall Street way more than they want their supporters to believe?TheKobeStopper said:
Dude you’re smarter than this. That’s the entire point, the politicians are in on it too. That’s why Biden speaking and working against it matters.Pitchfork51 said:Tax incentives are not "loopholes
They are put in place to encourage certain behaviors.
So don't get mad when business do those exact things that the lawmakers are encouraging.
So either they are cooking the books and yes they should be busted.
Or the laws are stupid, in which it's the politicians fault.
At no point is the empty moral battle cry useful. Only to stupid faggots like you
The left is trying to deal with actual corruption, not Hunter Biden’s laptop and 78 hearings on Benghazi that go nowhere. Bernie battered Hillary for being in bed with Wall Street, people forget that.
I don’t expect much from Biden but this is a clear turn from Hillary and Obama style politics, if he follows through. Big if though.
Did he do anything to date as President? How about the 8 years as VP? Or how about all those years as a Senator?
Actions >>> Words
And you still voted for him
You have a lot of confidence in something you have no proof of being true or not
I have all the proof I need
Only a matter of time until you defend Emmert and Ty again
You also for years have stuck with this narrative that I’ve been a defender of Ty and Emmett. That’s complete BS
I was completely on board and a vocal voice for firing Tyrone after 2007 (with a firing in 2006 actually justified for how he handled the Suddenly Senior fiasco)
With respect to Emmett, while acknowledging that he had some mea culpa in the situation, the reality was that getting to 2007/2008 was a longer term debacle than just what he controlled. Contrary to belief, the job of a University President is more than that of being concerned with Athletics.
Evidence clearly exists that the intention was for Tyrone to be fired after 2007. Turner stepped in and made that a toxic political football. He got shit canned as a result.
I’m probably in the minority in saying that long term 2008 was better for the program than not
It worked for Baylor I guess though. -
What about Private prisons should be phased out?TheKobeStopper said:
Calm down. PRIVATE prisons. He signed an executive order to phase out private prisons. Not no more prisons.Tequilla said:
What do you define as phasing out prisons?TheKobeStopper said:
I’ll say this for Biden, I do think he’s a true believer in liberalism. People like Obama and Pelosi just use it to line their pockets and even certain members of Biden’s family may not see it the same way. But it does seem like there’s a human being in there.Tequilla said:
What has Biden done on this besides talking in red meat platitudes that play well with the Democratic base that hasn’t caught onto the fact that their party is in bed with Wall Street way more than they want their supporters to believe?TheKobeStopper said:
Dude you’re smarter than this. That’s the entire point, the politicians are in on it too. That’s why Biden speaking and working against it matters.Pitchfork51 said:Tax incentives are not "loopholes
They are put in place to encourage certain behaviors.
So don't get mad when business do those exact things that the lawmakers are encouraging.
So either they are cooking the books and yes they should be busted.
Or the laws are stupid, in which it's the politicians fault.
At no point is the empty moral battle cry useful. Only to stupid faggots like you
The left is trying to deal with actual corruption, not Hunter Biden’s laptop and 78 hearings on Benghazi that go nowhere. Bernie battered Hillary for being in bed with Wall Street, people forget that.
I don’t expect much from Biden but this is a clear turn from Hillary and Obama style politics, if he follows through. Big if though.
Did he do anything to date as President? How about the 8 years as VP? Or how about all those years as a Senator?
Actions >>> Words
He’s still a lib, he’s still corrupt but if he pushes through an infrastructure bill and raises taxes on corporations to pay for it, that would be more than Obama ever did. The stimulus, however much credit he gets for it, and phasing out private prisons are reasons for hope.
Are you advocating for no prisons at all?
Or are you advocating for prisons to only be under government control? And if at the government control level, do you think that’s a Federal, State, or Local level of control?
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I am sure there is quite a bit that can be phased out from public and private prisons
WSDOC in 2019 budget over $2 billion.
Head guy lets prisoners out early, retires nothing happens to him. All is well, no corruption with a small budget of 2 billion. -
Like most government run institutions, prisons have lost their primary purpose which is punishment and to keep the public safe. On the west coast, prison guards are overpaid government employees with padded benefit packages. When it can cost $30,000 a year to imprison someone in a concrete and metal cell that ridiculous. You could put two prisoners in a Motel 6 with room service for much.
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Yeah I’m ok with some mix of punitive and rehabilitation and arguing over how that should work. Private prisons though are always going to lean heavily punitive because it’s less expensive and you don’t get repeat customers by rehabilitating them.Bob_C said:
I get it in some regards. But prison isn’t just necessarily about only rehabilitation though, it’s punitive, and should be punitive to some extent as a deterrent. I’m way more willing to let the weed smoker out than I am the window smasher.TheKobeStopper said:
The conditions are generally worse. They hire less guards, pay them less, have higher rates of inmate assaults. Their goal is not rehabilitation. But also, importantly, it’s what their goal is, to make money. The best way for them to grow is growth in mass incarceration so they spend money on political action and lobbyists to make that happen.Bob_C said:
Honest question, what is the big benefit to getting rid of private prisons from your perspective? Conditions? Cost savings? Not very educated on the topic.TheKobeStopper said:
Calm down. PRIVATE prisons. He signed an executive order to phase out private prisons. Not no more prisons.Tequilla said:
What do you define as phasing out prisons?TheKobeStopper said:
I’ll say this for Biden, I do think he’s a true believer in liberalism. People like Obama and Pelosi just use it to line their pockets and even certain members of Biden’s family may not see it the same way. But it does seem like there’s a human being in there.Tequilla said:
What has Biden done on this besides talking in red meat platitudes that play well with the Democratic base that hasn’t caught onto the fact that their party is in bed with Wall Street way more than they want their supporters to believe?TheKobeStopper said:
Dude you’re smarter than this. That’s the entire point, the politicians are in on it too. That’s why Biden speaking and working against it matters.Pitchfork51 said:Tax incentives are not "loopholes
They are put in place to encourage certain behaviors.
So don't get mad when business do those exact things that the lawmakers are encouraging.
So either they are cooking the books and yes they should be busted.
Or the laws are stupid, in which it's the politicians fault.
At no point is the empty moral battle cry useful. Only to stupid faggots like you
The left is trying to deal with actual corruption, not Hunter Biden’s laptop and 78 hearings on Benghazi that go nowhere. Bernie battered Hillary for being in bed with Wall Street, people forget that.
I don’t expect much from Biden but this is a clear turn from Hillary and Obama style politics, if he follows through. Big if though.
Did he do anything to date as President? How about the 8 years as VP? Or how about all those years as a Senator?
Actions >>> Words
He’s still a lib, he’s still corrupt but if he pushes through an infrastructure bill and raises taxes on corporations to pay for it, that would be more than Obama ever did. The stimulus, however much credit he gets for it, and phasing out private prisons are reasons for hope.
Are you advocating for no prisons at all?
Or are you advocating for prisons to only be under government control? And if at the government control level, do you think that’s a Federal, State, or Local level of control?
I’m with you on the lobbying money aspect though. Though that’s the case in many things like environmental regulations(both for increasing and decreasing), student loan debt disappearing through bankruptcy and many other countless things. Let’s not choose to get rid of lobbying where it aligns with personal cause. All or nothing.
No, I don’t agree that all lobbying is bad. It’s a part of the first amendment, it has an important place. But our system now just functions as legalized bribery and is completely broken. I would lean more towards limiting lobbyist donations, ending lobbying fundraising events and stopping the revolving door. -
https://reason.com/2015/06/02/are-for-profit-prisons-or-public-unions/
he Washington Post has a thinly sourced article on the lobbying efforts of for-profit prisons. The two largest, the Corrections Corporation of America, on whose board of directors former Supreme Court Justice Thurgood Marshall's son actually sits, and GEO, a big benefactor, according to the Post, to Marco Rubio since his state legislature days. How extensive are CCA and GEO's lobbying efforts? Via The Post:
The two largest for-profit prison companies in the United States – GEO andCorrections Corporation of America – and their associates have funneled more than $10 million to candidates since 1989 and have spent nearly $25 million on lobbying efforts. Meanwhile, these private companies have seen their revenue and market share soar. They now rake in a combined $3.3 billion in annual revenue and the private federal prison population more than doubled between 2000 and 2010, according to a report by the Justice Policy Institute.
There are, according to The Post, 130 private prisons in the country with 157,000 beds. Assuming each and every bed is occupied by one prisoner, that's about 7 percent of the total U.S. prison population. But there's a far larger lobbies invested in large prison populations—corrections officers and their associated unions, whose bread and butter are the bodies the Post seems to worry only private prisons can "commodify," and police unions, whose jobs, too, are in part dependent on there being a demand to fill prisons up.
The California prison guards union, for example, poured millions of dollars to influence policy in California alone—it spent $22 million on campaign donations since 1989, more than CCA and GEO have combined, and continues to push for prison expansions. The National Fraternal Order of Police, meanwhile, spent $5 million on lobbying efforts since 1989, more than GEO did. That's not to mention the American Federation of State, County, and Municipal Employees, which includes a "Corrections Union" and lobbies on behalf of all kinds of policies that seek to turn citizens into revenue sources for public employees. They've spent $187 million on campaign donations since 1989, making a far stronger case to be labeled the biggest lobby nobody's talking about than private prisons.
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Yeah but when private prisons do it, it's really, really bad.RaceBannon said:https://reason.com/2015/06/02/are-for-profit-prisons-or-public-unions/
he Washington Post has a thinly sourced article on the lobbying efforts of for-profit prisons. The two largest, the Corrections Corporation of America, on whose board of directors former Supreme Court Justice Thurgood Marshall's son actually sits, and GEO, a big benefactor, according to the Post, to Marco Rubio since his state legislature days. How extensive are CCA and GEO's lobbying efforts? Via The Post:
The two largest for-profit prison companies in the United States – GEO andCorrections Corporation of America – and their associates have funneled more than $10 million to candidates since 1989 and have spent nearly $25 million on lobbying efforts. Meanwhile, these private companies have seen their revenue and market share soar. They now rake in a combined $3.3 billion in annual revenue and the private federal prison population more than doubled between 2000 and 2010, according to a report by the Justice Policy Institute.
There are, according to The Post, 130 private prisons in the country with 157,000 beds. Assuming each and every bed is occupied by one prisoner, that's about 7 percent of the total U.S. prison population. But there's a far larger lobbies invested in large prison populations—corrections officers and their associated unions, whose bread and butter are the bodies the Post seems to worry only private prisons can "commodify," and police unions, whose jobs, too, are in part dependent on there being a demand to fill prisons up.
The California prison guards union, for example, poured millions of dollars to influence policy in California alone—it spent $22 million on campaign donations since 1989, more than CCA and GEO have combined, and continues to push for prison expansions. The National Fraternal Order of Police, meanwhile, spent $5 million on lobbying efforts since 1989, more than GEO did. That's not to mention the American Federation of State, County, and Municipal Employees, which includes a "Corrections Union" and lobbies on behalf of all kinds of policies that seek to turn citizens into revenue sources for public employees. They've spent $187 million on campaign donations since 1989, making a far stronger case to be labeled the biggest lobby nobody's talking about than private prisons.
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So when BO and that idiot biden gave 500 million to BO's donor at Solyndra and there was no guarantee to the American people that their investment was covered did you support that? Of course you did you fucking hypocrite. Six months later the asshole went bankrupt but he was whole because of BO and that idiot biden.TheKobeStopper said:
Dude you’re smarter than this. That’s the entire point, the politicians are in on it too. That’s why Biden speaking and working against it matters.Pitchfork51 said:Tax incentives are not "loopholes
They are put in place to encourage certain behaviors.
So don't get mad when business do those exact things that the lawmakers are encouraging.
So either they are cooking the books and yes they should be busted.
Or the laws are stupid, in which it's the politicians fault.
At no point is the empty moral battle cry useful. Only to stupid faggots like you
The left is trying to deal with actual corruption, not Hunter Biden’s laptop and 78 hearings on Benghazi that go nowhere. Bernie battered Hillary for being in bed with Wall Street, people forget that.
I don’t expect much from Biden but this is a clear turn from Hillary and Obama style politics, if he follows through. Big if though.
Explain to us how you supported that. 500 million payoff. Fuck you and your hypocritical bullshit.
