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  • TheKobeStopperTheKobeStopper Member Posts: 5,959
    Tequilla said:

    Tequilla said:

    Tax incentives are not "loopholes
    They are put in place to encourage certain behaviors.

    So don't get mad when business do those exact things that the lawmakers are encouraging.

    So either they are cooking the books and yes they should be busted.
    Or the laws are stupid, in which it's the politicians fault.


    At no point is the empty moral battle cry useful. Only to stupid faggots like you

    Dude you’re smarter than this. That’s the entire point, the politicians are in on it too. That’s why Biden speaking and working against it matters.

    The left is trying to deal with actual corruption, not Hunter Biden’s laptop and 78 hearings on Benghazi that go nowhere. Bernie battered Hillary for being in bed with Wall Street, people forget that.

    I don’t expect much from Biden but this is a clear turn from Hillary and Obama style politics, if he follows through. Big if though.
    What has Biden done on this besides talking in red meat platitudes that play well with the Democratic base that hasn’t caught onto the fact that their party is in bed with Wall Street way more than they want their supporters to believe?

    Did he do anything to date as President? How about the 8 years as VP? Or how about all those years as a Senator?

    Actions >>> Words
    I’ll say this for Biden, I do think he’s a true believer in liberalism. People like Obama and Pelosi just use it to line their pockets and even certain members of Biden’s family may not see it the same way. But it does seem like there’s a human being in there.

    He’s still a lib, he’s still corrupt but if he pushes through an infrastructure bill and raises taxes on corporations to pay for it, that would be more than Obama ever did. The stimulus, however much credit he gets for it, and phasing out private prisons are reasons for hope.
    What do you define as phasing out prisons?

    Are you advocating for no prisons at all?

    Or are you advocating for prisons to only be under government control? And if at the government control level, do you think that’s a Federal, State, or Local level of control?
    Calm down. PRIVATE prisons. He signed an executive order to phase out private prisons. Not no more prisons.
  • WestlinnDuckWestlinnDuck Member Posts: 15,648 Standard Supporter

    Tequilla said:

    Tequilla said:

    Tax incentives are not "loopholes
    They are put in place to encourage certain behaviors.

    So don't get mad when business do those exact things that the lawmakers are encouraging.

    So either they are cooking the books and yes they should be busted.
    Or the laws are stupid, in which it's the politicians fault.


    At no point is the empty moral battle cry useful. Only to stupid faggots like you

    Dude you’re smarter than this. That’s the entire point, the politicians are in on it too. That’s why Biden speaking and working against it matters.

    The left is trying to deal with actual corruption, not Hunter Biden’s laptop and 78 hearings on Benghazi that go nowhere. Bernie battered Hillary for being in bed with Wall Street, people forget that.

    I don’t expect much from Biden but this is a clear turn from Hillary and Obama style politics, if he follows through. Big if though.
    What has Biden done on this besides talking in red meat platitudes that play well with the Democratic base that hasn’t caught onto the fact that their party is in bed with Wall Street way more than they want their supporters to believe?

    Did he do anything to date as President? How about the 8 years as VP? Or how about all those years as a Senator?

    Actions >>> Words
    I’ll say this for Biden, I do think he’s a true believer in liberalism. People like Obama and Pelosi just use it to line their pockets and even certain members of Biden’s family may not see it the same way. But it does seem like there’s a human being in there.

    He’s still a lib, he’s still corrupt but if he pushes through an infrastructure bill and raises taxes on corporations to pay for it, that would be more than Obama ever did. The stimulus, however much credit he gets for it, and phasing out private prisons are reasons for hope.
    What do you define as phasing out prisons?

    Are you advocating for no prisons at all?

    Or are you advocating for prisons to only be under government control? And if at the government control level, do you think that’s a Federal, State, or Local level of control?
    Calm down. PRIVATE prisons. He signed an executive order to phase out private prisons. Not no more prisons.
    Nothing says value for your money like Prison Guard Union.
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 32,915
    Texas spends an average of $22,012 per inmate.

    New York spends an average of $69,355 per inmate.

    California spends an average of $64,642 per inmate.

    Yeah unions!!!!
  • Bob_CBob_C Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 10,863 Swaye's Wigwam

    Tequilla said:

    Tequilla said:

    Tax incentives are not "loopholes
    They are put in place to encourage certain behaviors.

    So don't get mad when business do those exact things that the lawmakers are encouraging.

    So either they are cooking the books and yes they should be busted.
    Or the laws are stupid, in which it's the politicians fault.


    At no point is the empty moral battle cry useful. Only to stupid faggots like you

    Dude you’re smarter than this. That’s the entire point, the politicians are in on it too. That’s why Biden speaking and working against it matters.

    The left is trying to deal with actual corruption, not Hunter Biden’s laptop and 78 hearings on Benghazi that go nowhere. Bernie battered Hillary for being in bed with Wall Street, people forget that.

    I don’t expect much from Biden but this is a clear turn from Hillary and Obama style politics, if he follows through. Big if though.
    What has Biden done on this besides talking in red meat platitudes that play well with the Democratic base that hasn’t caught onto the fact that their party is in bed with Wall Street way more than they want their supporters to believe?

    Did he do anything to date as President? How about the 8 years as VP? Or how about all those years as a Senator?

    Actions >>> Words
    I’ll say this for Biden, I do think he’s a true believer in liberalism. People like Obama and Pelosi just use it to line their pockets and even certain members of Biden’s family may not see it the same way. But it does seem like there’s a human being in there.

    He’s still a lib, he’s still corrupt but if he pushes through an infrastructure bill and raises taxes on corporations to pay for it, that would be more than Obama ever did. The stimulus, however much credit he gets for it, and phasing out private prisons are reasons for hope.
    What do you define as phasing out prisons?

    Are you advocating for no prisons at all?

    Or are you advocating for prisons to only be under government control? And if at the government control level, do you think that’s a Federal, State, or Local level of control?
    Calm down. PRIVATE prisons. He signed an executive order to phase out private prisons. Not no more prisons.
    Honest question, what is the big benefit to getting rid of private prisons from your perspective? Conditions? Cost savings? Not very educated on the topic.
  • WestlinnDuckWestlinnDuck Member Posts: 15,648 Standard Supporter
    Bob_C said:

    Tequilla said:

    Tequilla said:

    Tax incentives are not "loopholes
    They are put in place to encourage certain behaviors.

    So don't get mad when business do those exact things that the lawmakers are encouraging.

    So either they are cooking the books and yes they should be busted.
    Or the laws are stupid, in which it's the politicians fault.


    At no point is the empty moral battle cry useful. Only to stupid faggots like you

    Dude you’re smarter than this. That’s the entire point, the politicians are in on it too. That’s why Biden speaking and working against it matters.

    The left is trying to deal with actual corruption, not Hunter Biden’s laptop and 78 hearings on Benghazi that go nowhere. Bernie battered Hillary for being in bed with Wall Street, people forget that.

    I don’t expect much from Biden but this is a clear turn from Hillary and Obama style politics, if he follows through. Big if though.
    What has Biden done on this besides talking in red meat platitudes that play well with the Democratic base that hasn’t caught onto the fact that their party is in bed with Wall Street way more than they want their supporters to believe?

    Did he do anything to date as President? How about the 8 years as VP? Or how about all those years as a Senator?

    Actions >>> Words
    I’ll say this for Biden, I do think he’s a true believer in liberalism. People like Obama and Pelosi just use it to line their pockets and even certain members of Biden’s family may not see it the same way. But it does seem like there’s a human being in there.

    He’s still a lib, he’s still corrupt but if he pushes through an infrastructure bill and raises taxes on corporations to pay for it, that would be more than Obama ever did. The stimulus, however much credit he gets for it, and phasing out private prisons are reasons for hope.
    What do you define as phasing out prisons?

    Are you advocating for no prisons at all?

    Or are you advocating for prisons to only be under government control? And if at the government control level, do you think that’s a Federal, State, or Local level of control?
    Calm down. PRIVATE prisons. He signed an executive order to phase out private prisons. Not no more prisons.
    Honest question, what is the big benefit to getting rid of private prisons from your perspective? Conditions? Cost savings? Not very educated on the topic.
    Not enough opportunity for graft. Nothing says libertarian like supporting prison unions.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamandrzejewski/2020/05/19/why-california-is-in-trouble--340000-public-employees-with-100000-paychecks-cost-taxpayers-45-billion/?sh=50ef0a2e5fb8

    Why California Is In Trouble – 340,000 Public Employees With $100,000+ Paychecks Cost Taxpayers $45 Billion

  • TheKobeStopperTheKobeStopper Member Posts: 5,959
    Bob_C said:

    Tequilla said:

    Tequilla said:

    Tax incentives are not "loopholes
    They are put in place to encourage certain behaviors.

    So don't get mad when business do those exact things that the lawmakers are encouraging.

    So either they are cooking the books and yes they should be busted.
    Or the laws are stupid, in which it's the politicians fault.


    At no point is the empty moral battle cry useful. Only to stupid faggots like you

    Dude you’re smarter than this. That’s the entire point, the politicians are in on it too. That’s why Biden speaking and working against it matters.

    The left is trying to deal with actual corruption, not Hunter Biden’s laptop and 78 hearings on Benghazi that go nowhere. Bernie battered Hillary for being in bed with Wall Street, people forget that.

    I don’t expect much from Biden but this is a clear turn from Hillary and Obama style politics, if he follows through. Big if though.
    What has Biden done on this besides talking in red meat platitudes that play well with the Democratic base that hasn’t caught onto the fact that their party is in bed with Wall Street way more than they want their supporters to believe?

    Did he do anything to date as President? How about the 8 years as VP? Or how about all those years as a Senator?

    Actions >>> Words
    I’ll say this for Biden, I do think he’s a true believer in liberalism. People like Obama and Pelosi just use it to line their pockets and even certain members of Biden’s family may not see it the same way. But it does seem like there’s a human being in there.

    He’s still a lib, he’s still corrupt but if he pushes through an infrastructure bill and raises taxes on corporations to pay for it, that would be more than Obama ever did. The stimulus, however much credit he gets for it, and phasing out private prisons are reasons for hope.
    What do you define as phasing out prisons?

    Are you advocating for no prisons at all?

    Or are you advocating for prisons to only be under government control? And if at the government control level, do you think that’s a Federal, State, or Local level of control?
    Calm down. PRIVATE prisons. He signed an executive order to phase out private prisons. Not no more prisons.
    Honest question, what is the big benefit to getting rid of private prisons from your perspective? Conditions? Cost savings? Not very educated on the topic.
    The conditions are generally worse. They hire less guards, pay them less, have higher rates of inmate assaults. Their goal is not rehabilitation. But also, importantly, it’s what their goal is, to make money. The best way for them to grow is growth in mass incarceration so they spend money on political action and lobbyists to make that happen.
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 32,915

    Bob_C said:

    Tequilla said:

    Tequilla said:

    Tax incentives are not "loopholes
    They are put in place to encourage certain behaviors.

    So don't get mad when business do those exact things that the lawmakers are encouraging.

    So either they are cooking the books and yes they should be busted.
    Or the laws are stupid, in which it's the politicians fault.


    At no point is the empty moral battle cry useful. Only to stupid faggots like you

    Dude you’re smarter than this. That’s the entire point, the politicians are in on it too. That’s why Biden speaking and working against it matters.

    The left is trying to deal with actual corruption, not Hunter Biden’s laptop and 78 hearings on Benghazi that go nowhere. Bernie battered Hillary for being in bed with Wall Street, people forget that.

    I don’t expect much from Biden but this is a clear turn from Hillary and Obama style politics, if he follows through. Big if though.
    What has Biden done on this besides talking in red meat platitudes that play well with the Democratic base that hasn’t caught onto the fact that their party is in bed with Wall Street way more than they want their supporters to believe?

    Did he do anything to date as President? How about the 8 years as VP? Or how about all those years as a Senator?

    Actions >>> Words
    I’ll say this for Biden, I do think he’s a true believer in liberalism. People like Obama and Pelosi just use it to line their pockets and even certain members of Biden’s family may not see it the same way. But it does seem like there’s a human being in there.

    He’s still a lib, he’s still corrupt but if he pushes through an infrastructure bill and raises taxes on corporations to pay for it, that would be more than Obama ever did. The stimulus, however much credit he gets for it, and phasing out private prisons are reasons for hope.
    What do you define as phasing out prisons?

    Are you advocating for no prisons at all?

    Or are you advocating for prisons to only be under government control? And if at the government control level, do you think that’s a Federal, State, or Local level of control?
    Calm down. PRIVATE prisons. He signed an executive order to phase out private prisons. Not no more prisons.
    Honest question, what is the big benefit to getting rid of private prisons from your perspective? Conditions? Cost savings? Not very educated on the topic.
    The conditions are generally worse. They hire less guards, pay them less, have higher rates of inmate assaults. Their goal is not rehabilitation. But also, importantly, it’s what their goal is, to make money. The best way for them to grow is growth in mass incarceration so they spend money on political action and lobbyists to make that happen.
    Yeah, those Prison guard unions they have no interest in making money. They are just dedicated public servants.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 107,470 Founders Club

    Bob_C said:

    Tequilla said:

    Tequilla said:

    Tax incentives are not "loopholes
    They are put in place to encourage certain behaviors.

    So don't get mad when business do those exact things that the lawmakers are encouraging.

    So either they are cooking the books and yes they should be busted.
    Or the laws are stupid, in which it's the politicians fault.


    At no point is the empty moral battle cry useful. Only to stupid faggots like you

    Dude you’re smarter than this. That’s the entire point, the politicians are in on it too. That’s why Biden speaking and working against it matters.

    The left is trying to deal with actual corruption, not Hunter Biden’s laptop and 78 hearings on Benghazi that go nowhere. Bernie battered Hillary for being in bed with Wall Street, people forget that.

    I don’t expect much from Biden but this is a clear turn from Hillary and Obama style politics, if he follows through. Big if though.
    What has Biden done on this besides talking in red meat platitudes that play well with the Democratic base that hasn’t caught onto the fact that their party is in bed with Wall Street way more than they want their supporters to believe?

    Did he do anything to date as President? How about the 8 years as VP? Or how about all those years as a Senator?

    Actions >>> Words
    I’ll say this for Biden, I do think he’s a true believer in liberalism. People like Obama and Pelosi just use it to line their pockets and even certain members of Biden’s family may not see it the same way. But it does seem like there’s a human being in there.

    He’s still a lib, he’s still corrupt but if he pushes through an infrastructure bill and raises taxes on corporations to pay for it, that would be more than Obama ever did. The stimulus, however much credit he gets for it, and phasing out private prisons are reasons for hope.
    What do you define as phasing out prisons?

    Are you advocating for no prisons at all?

    Or are you advocating for prisons to only be under government control? And if at the government control level, do you think that’s a Federal, State, or Local level of control?
    Calm down. PRIVATE prisons. He signed an executive order to phase out private prisons. Not no more prisons.
    Honest question, what is the big benefit to getting rid of private prisons from your perspective? Conditions? Cost savings? Not very educated on the topic.
    The conditions are generally worse. They hire less guards, pay them less, have higher rates of inmate assaults. Their goal is not rehabilitation. But also, importantly, it’s what their goal is, to make money. The best way for them to grow is growth in mass incarceration so they spend money on political action and lobbyists to make that happen.
    So they gave a lot to Biden in the 90s huh?
  • doogiedoogie Member Posts: 15,072
    Profit incentive to lock humans in cages is a bit twisted, IMO.

    If prisons become “too expensive” to fund, alternatives will be sought.
  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 44,742 Standard Supporter
    Release all the prisoners, convert them to reeducation camps.

    Prison condition problem solved.

  • WestlinnDuckWestlinnDuck Member Posts: 15,648 Standard Supporter
    doogie said:

    Profit incentive to lock humans in cages is a bit twisted, IMO.

    If prisons become “too expensive” to fund, alternatives will be sought.

    Last words of Epstein before he committed suicide was offed under the watchful eyes of New York prison guards.
  • Bob_CBob_C Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 10,863 Swaye's Wigwam

    Bob_C said:

    Tequilla said:

    Tequilla said:

    Tax incentives are not "loopholes
    They are put in place to encourage certain behaviors.

    So don't get mad when business do those exact things that the lawmakers are encouraging.

    So either they are cooking the books and yes they should be busted.
    Or the laws are stupid, in which it's the politicians fault.


    At no point is the empty moral battle cry useful. Only to stupid faggots like you

    Dude you’re smarter than this. That’s the entire point, the politicians are in on it too. That’s why Biden speaking and working against it matters.

    The left is trying to deal with actual corruption, not Hunter Biden’s laptop and 78 hearings on Benghazi that go nowhere. Bernie battered Hillary for being in bed with Wall Street, people forget that.

    I don’t expect much from Biden but this is a clear turn from Hillary and Obama style politics, if he follows through. Big if though.
    What has Biden done on this besides talking in red meat platitudes that play well with the Democratic base that hasn’t caught onto the fact that their party is in bed with Wall Street way more than they want their supporters to believe?

    Did he do anything to date as President? How about the 8 years as VP? Or how about all those years as a Senator?

    Actions >>> Words
    I’ll say this for Biden, I do think he’s a true believer in liberalism. People like Obama and Pelosi just use it to line their pockets and even certain members of Biden’s family may not see it the same way. But it does seem like there’s a human being in there.

    He’s still a lib, he’s still corrupt but if he pushes through an infrastructure bill and raises taxes on corporations to pay for it, that would be more than Obama ever did. The stimulus, however much credit he gets for it, and phasing out private prisons are reasons for hope.
    What do you define as phasing out prisons?

    Are you advocating for no prisons at all?

    Or are you advocating for prisons to only be under government control? And if at the government control level, do you think that’s a Federal, State, or Local level of control?
    Calm down. PRIVATE prisons. He signed an executive order to phase out private prisons. Not no more prisons.
    Honest question, what is the big benefit to getting rid of private prisons from your perspective? Conditions? Cost savings? Not very educated on the topic.
    The conditions are generally worse. They hire less guards, pay them less, have higher rates of inmate assaults. Their goal is not rehabilitation. But also, importantly, it’s what their goal is, to make money. The best way for them to grow is growth in mass incarceration so they spend money on political action and lobbyists to make that happen.
    I get it in some regards. But prison isn’t just necessarily about only rehabilitation though, it’s punitive, and should be punitive to some extent as a deterrent. I’m way more willing to let the weed smoker out than I am the window smasher.

    I’m with you on the lobbying money aspect though. Though that’s the case in many things like environmental regulations(both for increasing and decreasing), student loan debt disappearing through bankruptcy and many other countless things. Let’s not choose to get rid of lobbying where it aligns with personal cause. All or nothing.
  • TequillaTequilla Member Posts: 19,937
    Bob_C said:

    Tequilla said:

    Tequilla said:

    Tequilla said:

    Tax incentives are not "loopholes
    They are put in place to encourage certain behaviors.

    So don't get mad when business do those exact things that the lawmakers are encouraging.

    So either they are cooking the books and yes they should be busted.
    Or the laws are stupid, in which it's the politicians fault.


    At no point is the empty moral battle cry useful. Only to stupid faggots like you

    Dude you’re smarter than this. That’s the entire point, the politicians are in on it too. That’s why Biden speaking and working against it matters.

    The left is trying to deal with actual corruption, not Hunter Biden’s laptop and 78 hearings on Benghazi that go nowhere. Bernie battered Hillary for being in bed with Wall Street, people forget that.

    I don’t expect much from Biden but this is a clear turn from Hillary and Obama style politics, if he follows through. Big if though.
    What has Biden done on this besides talking in red meat platitudes that play well with the Democratic base that hasn’t caught onto the fact that their party is in bed with Wall Street way more than they want their supporters to believe?

    Did he do anything to date as President? How about the 8 years as VP? Or how about all those years as a Senator?

    Actions >>> Words
    I thought you had to be spoon fed this by news readers?

    And you still voted for him
    You can backtrack at any point and acknowledge that you have no clue who I may or may not have voted for

    You have a lot of confidence in something you have no proof of being true or not
    This speaks volumes


    I have all the proof I need

    Only a matter of time until you defend Emmert and Ty again
    Speaks volumes to what? That you have no clue what you are talking about?

    You also for years have stuck with this narrative that I’ve been a defender of Ty and Emmett. That’s complete BS

    I was completely on board and a vocal voice for firing Tyrone after 2007 (with a firing in 2006 actually justified for how he handled the Suddenly Senior fiasco)

    With respect to Emmett, while acknowledging that he had some mea culpa in the situation, the reality was that getting to 2007/2008 was a longer term debacle than just what he controlled. Contrary to belief, the job of a University President is more than that of being concerned with Athletics.

    Evidence clearly exists that the intention was for Tyrone to be fired after 2007. Turner stepped in and made that a toxic political football. He got shit canned as a result.

    I’m probably in the minority in saying that long term 2008 was better for the program than not
    Bottoming out is only a good thing in the pros. Going 0-12 have UW the cover to not actually hire a real coach, and worse the fan base ate up the turnaround from 0-12 to a minor bowl two years from then as some sort of great accomplishment.

    It worked for Baylor I guess though.
    My point is that for many what that period represents what happens when you have general levels of apathy and don’t hold the leadership accountable for on field results
  • TequillaTequilla Member Posts: 19,937

    Tequilla said:

    Tequilla said:

    Tax incentives are not "loopholes
    They are put in place to encourage certain behaviors.

    So don't get mad when business do those exact things that the lawmakers are encouraging.

    So either they are cooking the books and yes they should be busted.
    Or the laws are stupid, in which it's the politicians fault.


    At no point is the empty moral battle cry useful. Only to stupid faggots like you

    Dude you’re smarter than this. That’s the entire point, the politicians are in on it too. That’s why Biden speaking and working against it matters.

    The left is trying to deal with actual corruption, not Hunter Biden’s laptop and 78 hearings on Benghazi that go nowhere. Bernie battered Hillary for being in bed with Wall Street, people forget that.

    I don’t expect much from Biden but this is a clear turn from Hillary and Obama style politics, if he follows through. Big if though.
    What has Biden done on this besides talking in red meat platitudes that play well with the Democratic base that hasn’t caught onto the fact that their party is in bed with Wall Street way more than they want their supporters to believe?

    Did he do anything to date as President? How about the 8 years as VP? Or how about all those years as a Senator?

    Actions >>> Words
    I’ll say this for Biden, I do think he’s a true believer in liberalism. People like Obama and Pelosi just use it to line their pockets and even certain members of Biden’s family may not see it the same way. But it does seem like there’s a human being in there.

    He’s still a lib, he’s still corrupt but if he pushes through an infrastructure bill and raises taxes on corporations to pay for it, that would be more than Obama ever did. The stimulus, however much credit he gets for it, and phasing out private prisons are reasons for hope.
    What do you define as phasing out prisons?

    Are you advocating for no prisons at all?

    Or are you advocating for prisons to only be under government control? And if at the government control level, do you think that’s a Federal, State, or Local level of control?
    Calm down. PRIVATE prisons. He signed an executive order to phase out private prisons. Not no more prisons.
    What about Private prisons should be phased out?

  • LebamDawgLebamDawg Member Posts: 8,740 Standard Supporter
    I am sure there is quite a bit that can be phased out from public and private prisons

    WSDOC in 2019 budget over $2 billion.

    Head guy lets prisoners out early, retires nothing happens to him. All is well, no corruption with a small budget of 2 billion.
  • WestlinnDuckWestlinnDuck Member Posts: 15,648 Standard Supporter
    Like most government run institutions, prisons have lost their primary purpose which is punishment and to keep the public safe. On the west coast, prison guards are overpaid government employees with padded benefit packages. When it can cost $30,000 a year to imprison someone in a concrete and metal cell that ridiculous. You could put two prisoners in a Motel 6 with room service for much.
  • TheKobeStopperTheKobeStopper Member Posts: 5,959
    Bob_C said:

    Bob_C said:

    Tequilla said:

    Tequilla said:

    Tax incentives are not "loopholes
    They are put in place to encourage certain behaviors.

    So don't get mad when business do those exact things that the lawmakers are encouraging.

    So either they are cooking the books and yes they should be busted.
    Or the laws are stupid, in which it's the politicians fault.


    At no point is the empty moral battle cry useful. Only to stupid faggots like you

    Dude you’re smarter than this. That’s the entire point, the politicians are in on it too. That’s why Biden speaking and working against it matters.

    The left is trying to deal with actual corruption, not Hunter Biden’s laptop and 78 hearings on Benghazi that go nowhere. Bernie battered Hillary for being in bed with Wall Street, people forget that.

    I don’t expect much from Biden but this is a clear turn from Hillary and Obama style politics, if he follows through. Big if though.
    What has Biden done on this besides talking in red meat platitudes that play well with the Democratic base that hasn’t caught onto the fact that their party is in bed with Wall Street way more than they want their supporters to believe?

    Did he do anything to date as President? How about the 8 years as VP? Or how about all those years as a Senator?

    Actions >>> Words
    I’ll say this for Biden, I do think he’s a true believer in liberalism. People like Obama and Pelosi just use it to line their pockets and even certain members of Biden’s family may not see it the same way. But it does seem like there’s a human being in there.

    He’s still a lib, he’s still corrupt but if he pushes through an infrastructure bill and raises taxes on corporations to pay for it, that would be more than Obama ever did. The stimulus, however much credit he gets for it, and phasing out private prisons are reasons for hope.
    What do you define as phasing out prisons?

    Are you advocating for no prisons at all?

    Or are you advocating for prisons to only be under government control? And if at the government control level, do you think that’s a Federal, State, or Local level of control?
    Calm down. PRIVATE prisons. He signed an executive order to phase out private prisons. Not no more prisons.
    Honest question, what is the big benefit to getting rid of private prisons from your perspective? Conditions? Cost savings? Not very educated on the topic.
    The conditions are generally worse. They hire less guards, pay them less, have higher rates of inmate assaults. Their goal is not rehabilitation. But also, importantly, it’s what their goal is, to make money. The best way for them to grow is growth in mass incarceration so they spend money on political action and lobbyists to make that happen.
    I get it in some regards. But prison isn’t just necessarily about only rehabilitation though, it’s punitive, and should be punitive to some extent as a deterrent. I’m way more willing to let the weed smoker out than I am the window smasher.

    I’m with you on the lobbying money aspect though. Though that’s the case in many things like environmental regulations(both for increasing and decreasing), student loan debt disappearing through bankruptcy and many other countless things. Let’s not choose to get rid of lobbying where it aligns with personal cause. All or nothing.
    Yeah I’m ok with some mix of punitive and rehabilitation and arguing over how that should work. Private prisons though are always going to lean heavily punitive because it’s less expensive and you don’t get repeat customers by rehabilitating them.

    No, I don’t agree that all lobbying is bad. It’s a part of the first amendment, it has an important place. But our system now just functions as legalized bribery and is completely broken. I would lean more towards limiting lobbyist donations, ending lobbying fundraising events and stopping the revolving door.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 107,470 Founders Club
    https://reason.com/2015/06/02/are-for-profit-prisons-or-public-unions/

    he Washington Post has a thinly sourced article on the lobbying efforts of for-profit prisons. The two largest, the Corrections Corporation of America, on whose board of directors former Supreme Court Justice Thurgood Marshall's son actually sits, and GEO, a big benefactor, according to the Post, to Marco Rubio since his state legislature days. How extensive are CCA and GEO's lobbying efforts? Via The Post:

    The two largest for-profit prison companies in the United States – GEO andCorrections Corporation of America – and their associates have funneled more than $10 million to candidates since 1989 and have spent nearly $25 million on lobbying efforts. Meanwhile, these private companies have seen their revenue and market share soar. They now rake in a combined $3.3 billion in annual revenue and the private federal prison population more than doubled between 2000 and 2010, according to a report by the Justice Policy Institute.

    There are, according to The Post, 130 private prisons in the country with 157,000 beds. Assuming each and every bed is occupied by one prisoner, that's about 7 percent of the total U.S. prison population. But there's a far larger lobbies invested in large prison populations—corrections officers and their associated unions, whose bread and butter are the bodies the Post seems to worry only private prisons can "commodify," and police unions, whose jobs, too, are in part dependent on there being a demand to fill prisons up.

    The California prison guards union, for example, poured millions of dollars to influence policy in California alone—it spent $22 million on campaign donations since 1989, more than CCA and GEO have combined, and continues to push for prison expansions. The National Fraternal Order of Police, meanwhile, spent $5 million on lobbying efforts since 1989, more than GEO did. That's not to mention the American Federation of State, County, and Municipal Employees, which includes a "Corrections Union" and lobbies on behalf of all kinds of policies that seek to turn citizens into revenue sources for public employees. They've spent $187 million on campaign donations since 1989, making a far stronger case to be labeled the biggest lobby nobody's talking about than private prisons.


    Everyone does it
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 32,915

    https://reason.com/2015/06/02/are-for-profit-prisons-or-public-unions/

    he Washington Post has a thinly sourced article on the lobbying efforts of for-profit prisons. The two largest, the Corrections Corporation of America, on whose board of directors former Supreme Court Justice Thurgood Marshall's son actually sits, and GEO, a big benefactor, according to the Post, to Marco Rubio since his state legislature days. How extensive are CCA and GEO's lobbying efforts? Via The Post:

    The two largest for-profit prison companies in the United States – GEO andCorrections Corporation of America – and their associates have funneled more than $10 million to candidates since 1989 and have spent nearly $25 million on lobbying efforts. Meanwhile, these private companies have seen their revenue and market share soar. They now rake in a combined $3.3 billion in annual revenue and the private federal prison population more than doubled between 2000 and 2010, according to a report by the Justice Policy Institute.

    There are, according to The Post, 130 private prisons in the country with 157,000 beds. Assuming each and every bed is occupied by one prisoner, that's about 7 percent of the total U.S. prison population. But there's a far larger lobbies invested in large prison populations—corrections officers and their associated unions, whose bread and butter are the bodies the Post seems to worry only private prisons can "commodify," and police unions, whose jobs, too, are in part dependent on there being a demand to fill prisons up.

    The California prison guards union, for example, poured millions of dollars to influence policy in California alone—it spent $22 million on campaign donations since 1989, more than CCA and GEO have combined, and continues to push for prison expansions. The National Fraternal Order of Police, meanwhile, spent $5 million on lobbying efforts since 1989, more than GEO did. That's not to mention the American Federation of State, County, and Municipal Employees, which includes a "Corrections Union" and lobbies on behalf of all kinds of policies that seek to turn citizens into revenue sources for public employees. They've spent $187 million on campaign donations since 1989, making a far stronger case to be labeled the biggest lobby nobody's talking about than private prisons.


    Everyone does it

    Yeah but when private prisons do it, it's really, really bad.
  • BendintheriverBendintheriver Member Posts: 6,168 Standard Supporter

    Tax incentives are not "loopholes
    They are put in place to encourage certain behaviors.

    So don't get mad when business do those exact things that the lawmakers are encouraging.

    So either they are cooking the books and yes they should be busted.
    Or the laws are stupid, in which it's the politicians fault.


    At no point is the empty moral battle cry useful. Only to stupid faggots like you

    Dude you’re smarter than this. That’s the entire point, the politicians are in on it too. That’s why Biden speaking and working against it matters.

    The left is trying to deal with actual corruption, not Hunter Biden’s laptop and 78 hearings on Benghazi that go nowhere. Bernie battered Hillary for being in bed with Wall Street, people forget that.

    I don’t expect much from Biden but this is a clear turn from Hillary and Obama style politics, if he follows through. Big if though.
    So when BO and that idiot biden gave 500 million to BO's donor at Solyndra and there was no guarantee to the American people that their investment was covered did you support that? Of course you did you fucking hypocrite. Six months later the asshole went bankrupt but he was whole because of BO and that idiot biden.

    Explain to us how you supported that. 500 million payoff. Fuck you and your hypocritical bullshit.
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