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pawzpawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 21,233 Founders Club
edited May 2022 in Tug Tavern
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  • KaepskneeKaepsknee Member Posts: 14,886
    edited March 2021

    How to drop out of high school and get (moderately) rich:

    1. Borrow about a quarter of a million dollars in any way possible, crazy high interest if need be, family, whatever.
    2. Buy a used 10 yard dump truck, equipment trailer, a 220 excavator, and a 10K mini.
    3. Business license, bond, insurance.
    4. Spend the next three years scraping by and paying off debt and equipment.
    5. Spend the next five years taking a comfortable salary and expanding and upgrading equipment.
    6. Spend the next as long as you want stacking money.
    There's a guy who contracts at my plant who's finally selling off his business and retiring, much to his dismay. In his late 70s, you'd still see him out there on a mini with a breaker, breaking up concrete for foundation pours with a massive smile on his face. Workaholic, loved what he did, built up a company from nothing that employs hundreds of people. Got so fucking rich that he owns a tank, a MIG fighter jet, and a submarine, but still comes out to work to break up a slab when he gets the chance.

    The tools described above are quick and easy to learn, can do an amazing amount of work fast, are ALWAYS in demand, and are prohibitively expensive such that there will always be scarcity due to risk aversion. One large and one small excavator can easily make you a millionaire in a decade if you hustle.
    A good friend of mine and his young sons have just embarked upon this very adventure. They are already up to their asses in alligators as related to the amount of work available to them. He was and actually still is a Mason, due to great health insurance and his Sons are running the gear. But thinks by next Summer He will be able to afford his own insurance and procure more gear for him to be in it full time. And then build from there.
  • HoustonHuskyHoustonHusky Member Posts: 5,993
    edited March 2021

    Part of me rolls my eyes at this, as hearing financial advice from tech billionaires is like getting makeup tips from a supermodel via a YouTube tutorial (spoiler, you WON’T get beautiful, defined cheekbones like Gisele Bündchen...I don’t care how much contouring product you use).

    But it is an excellent point (hence my upvote). We *should* be teaching things like entrepreneurial skills, investing, risk taking, and business acumen to everyone early and often. Being responsible and saving for retirement is great, but fuck, life is also short and you gotta bet big to win big.

    Agree with most of this...problem is we are teaching everyone to gamble in investing to get rich and none of the other stuff. It’s insane.

    My best friend is a VP at a multi billion dollar company that makes shite who’s seriously considering quitting his job to go into “Private Equity” with a bunch of his former BSchool friends. Funny story, but he almost quit is job way back when he first started working to go work for Enron. Like weeks within it blowing up. He’s my personal parable of the current insanity taking place. Although this time I think the Central Banks will keep him on the right side for a good amount of time...
  • GreenRiverGatorzGreenRiverGatorz Member Posts: 10,165

    Part of me rolls my eyes at this, as hearing financial advice from tech billionaires is like getting makeup tips from a supermodel via a YouTube tutorial (spoiler, you WON’T get beautiful, defined cheekbones like Gisele Bündchen...I don’t care how much contouring product you use).

    But it is an excellent point (hence my upvote). We *should* be teaching things like entrepreneurial skills, investing, risk taking, and business acumen to everyone early and often. Being responsible and saving for retirement is great, but fuck, life is also short and you gotta bet big to win big.

    Presenting it as a false choice is the crux of this meme's stupidity. Abundance is always the answer.
  • TurdBomberTurdBomber Member Posts: 19,985 Standard Supporter

    Part of me rolls my eyes at this, as hearing financial advice from tech billionaires is like getting makeup tips from a supermodel via a YouTube tutorial (spoiler, you WON’T get beautiful, defined cheekbones like Gisele Bündchen...I don’t care how much contouring product you use).

    But it is an excellent point (hence my upvote). We *should* be teaching things like entrepreneurial skills, investing, risk taking, and business acumen to everyone early and often. Being responsible and saving for retirement is great, but fuck, life is also short and you gotta bet big to win big.

    Agree with most of this...problem is we are teaching everyone to gamble in investing to get rich and none of the other stuff. It’s insane.

    My best friend is a VP at a multi billion dollar company that makes shite who’s seriously considering quitting his job to go into “Private Equity” with a bunch of his former BSchool friends. Funny story, but he almost quit is job way back when he first started working to go work for Enron. Like weeks within it blowing up. He’s my personal parable of the current insanity taking place. Although this time I think the Central Banks will keep him on the right side for a good amount of time...
    Buy non-depreciable assets and enjoy the ride. Play the market with what you can afford to risk.

    Personally, I find financial advice from the 1980s has worked out better than most of what I've heard more recently.

    There's a reason Buffet makes money without being sexy.

    Diligence and patience.
  • Doog_de_JourDoog_de_Jour Member Posts: 8,041 Standard Supporter

    Part of me rolls my eyes at this, as hearing financial advice from tech billionaires is like getting makeup tips from a supermodel via a YouTube tutorial (spoiler, you WON’T get beautiful, defined cheekbones like Gisele Bündchen...I don’t care how much contouring product you use).

    But it is an excellent point (hence my upvote). We *should* be teaching things like entrepreneurial skills, investing, risk taking, and business acumen to everyone early and often. Being responsible and saving for retirement is great, but fuck, life is also short and you gotta bet big to win big.

    Agree with most of this...problem is we are teaching everyone to gamble in investing to get rich and none of the other stuff. It’s insane.

    My best friend is a VP at a multi billion dollar company that makes shite who’s seriously considering quitting his job to go into “Private Equity” with a bunch of his former BSchool friends. Funny story, but he almost quit is job way back when he first started working to go work for Enron. Like weeks within it blowing up. He’s my personal parable of the current insanity taking place. Although this time I think the Central Banks will keep him on the right side for a good amount of time...
    That’s where the “business acumen” comes in (hopefully) and dovetailed with some sound personal finance literacy and quality career coaching (sadly which are in short supply).

    Part of me rolls my eyes at this, as hearing financial advice from tech billionaires is like getting makeup tips from a supermodel via a YouTube tutorial (spoiler, you WON’T get beautiful, defined cheekbones like Gisele Bündchen...I don’t care how much contouring product you use).

    But it is an excellent point (hence my upvote). We *should* be teaching things like entrepreneurial skills, investing, risk taking, and business acumen to everyone early and often. Being responsible and saving for retirement is great, but fuck, life is also short and you gotta bet big to win big.

    Presenting it as a false choice is the crux of this meme's stupidity. Abundance is always the answer.
    Yes. Always abundance. You *can* and should do both. It’s not an either or situation...I just think Musk was highlighting the fact that we all have the ability to be more than worker bees that are content to run down the game clock of our lives if we are given the know how and opportunity to do so.
  • FireCohenFireCohen Member Posts: 21,823

    Part of me rolls my eyes at this, as hearing financial advice from tech billionaires is like getting makeup tips from a supermodel via a YouTube tutorial (spoiler, you WON’T get beautiful, defined cheekbones like Gisele Bündchen...I don’t care how much contouring product you use).

    But it is an excellent point (hence my upvote). We *should* be teaching things like entrepreneurial skills, investing, risk taking, and business acumen to everyone early and often. Being responsible and saving for retirement is great, but fuck, life is also short and you gotta bet big to win big.

    Agree with most of this...problem is we are teaching everyone to gamble in investing to get rich and none of the other stuff. It’s insane.

    My best friend is a VP at a multi billion dollar company that makes shite who’s seriously considering quitting his job to go into “Private Equity” with a bunch of his former BSchool friends. Funny story, but he almost quit is job way back when he first started working to go work for Enron. Like weeks within it blowing up. He’s my personal parable of the current insanity taking place. Although this time I think the Central Banks will keep him on the right side for a good amount of time...
    Buy non-depreciable assets and enjoy the ride. Play the market with what you can afford to risk.

    Personally, I find financial advice from the 1980s has worked out better than most of what I've heard more recently.

    There's a reason Buffet makes money without being sexy.

    Diligence and patience.
    That is one thing we millennials lack for sure as a generation and we soft as fuck.
  • HFNYHFNY Member Posts: 5,198 Standard Supporter
    Do they teach shop in high school anymore anywhere? Become an electrician or plumber and start you own company after 5-10 years working for someone else. Probably could stop being in the field (if you want) at 45-50.

    As for real assets, so much is about interest rates. Nothing will put downward pressure on stocks, bond holdings, and real estate like the 10 year yield continuing to climb. The Fed could be in a very tricky place come May.

  • TheRoarOfTheCrowdTheRoarOfTheCrowd Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 1,730 Founders Club
    edited March 2021
    HFNY said:

    Do they teach shop in high school anymore anywhere? Become an electrician or plumber and start you own company after 5-10 years working for someone else. Probably could stop being in the field (if you want) at 45-50.

    As for real assets, so much is about interest rates. Nothing will put downward pressure on stocks, bond holdings, and real estate like the 10 year yield continuing to climb. The Fed could be in a very tricky place come May.

    Agree... great tradespeople are always in short supply.... and running your own plumbing /electrical / skilled trade business currently is a way to earn 200+ a year if you are a dedicated and ethical tradesman that everyone can count on to be on time, ethical and a beacon on perfect work. If you are the best at what you do, and there is a balance or small shortage in favor of suppliers, you will find very little competition and be well paid.

    Regarding the real estate ride, i agree, the ride down from 14% [in 1980, like everyone else that was scrambling to get in to move up to that statement 2nd purchase house in their life at that time, I was writing 14% interest only real estate contracts with a 5 year balloon payment in order to buy] has been spectacular because there is an inverse relationship of affordability tied to real estate that makes it seem like real estate ALWAYS goes up no matter what.

    The problem as @HFNY and many others have stated, is that what we have seen is a steadily decreasing 10 and 30 year treasury bond rate [which has steadily improved affordability in terms of inflated dollars] that is the proxy for being able to pass through and lay off risk via mortgage backed bonds ever since the peak in 1980.



    The fact that the inverse relationship between the rising prices due to increased buying power per dollar is an automatic phenomenon has created the inherently false impression that real estate is always a safe haven for assets that you need to continue to grow to protect capital and maintain liquidity. For the last 40 years Western culture has grown up with the fact that this is a law of physics, and in more modern times have believed through observation that the real estate they own is an ATM that allows them to refinance and pull out equity capital as needed in order to shoulder tougher times.

    This available liquidity has been an often underappreciated key driving force behind our increasing personal and collective Gross Domestic Product. Simply put, we take it for granted that it will always be that way. This is the greater fool theory at work in its full expression.

    Once the period specific shortfall in demand for limited supply becomes satisfied, when the progressive effect of the pending reversal of affordability is combined with the automatically created trough of new household formation rate which has been created by the demographic decline in the people having fewer kids that began 30-40 years ago, the obvious outcome will be a sideways to downward slanting trend of sustainably lower longer term pricing.

    Even though the outcome is staring people in the face, it will take people an extended period of time to believe it simply because the opposite has always been so.



    The effect will become a progressively more obvious fiscal GDP crisis of importance because of the seemingly alien effects of decreased liquidity which ripples through the economy, and the resulting lower tax revenue over time.

  • doogiedoogie Member Posts: 15,072

    HFNY said:

    Do they teach shop in high school anymore anywhere? Become an electrician or plumber and start you own company after 5-10 years working for someone else. Probably could stop being in the field (if you want) at 45-50.

    As for real assets, so much is about interest rates. Nothing will put downward pressure on stocks, bond holdings, and real estate like the 10 year yield continuing to climb. The Fed could be in a very tricky place come May.

    Agree... great tradespeople are always in short supply.... and running your own plumbing /electrical / skilled trade business currently is a way to earn 200+ a year if you are a dedicated and ethical tradesman that everyone can count on to be on time, ethical and a beacon on perfect work. If you are the best at what you do, and there is a balance or small shortage in favor of suppliers, you will find very little competition and be well paid.

    Regarding the real estate ride, i agree, the ride down from 14% [in 1980, like everyone else that was scrambling to get in to move up to that statement 2nd purchase house in their life at that time, I was writing 14% interest only real estate contracts with a 5 year balloon payment in order to buy] has been spectacular because there is an inverse relationship of affordability tied to real estate that makes it seem like real estate ALWAYS goes up no matter what.

    The problem as @HFNY and many others have stated, is that what we have seen is a steadily decreasing 10 and 30 year treasury bond rate [which has steadily improved affordability in terms of inflated dollars] that is the proxy for being able to pass through and lay off risk via mortgage backed bonds ever since the peak in 1980.

    The fact that the inverse relationship between the rising prices due to increased buying power per dollar is an automatic phenomenon has created the inherently false impression that real estate is always a safe haven for assets that you need to continue to grow to protect capital and maintain liquidity. For the last 40 years Western culture has grown up with the fact that this is a law of physics, and in more modern times have believed through observation that the real estate they own is an ATM that allows them to refinance and pull out equity capital as needed in order to shoulder tougher times.

    This available liquidity has been an often underappreciated key driving force behind our increasing personal and collective Gross Domestic Product. Simply put, we take it for granted that it will always be that way. This is the greater fool theory at work in its full expression.

    Once the period specific shortfall in demand for limited supply becomes satisfied, when the progressive effect of the pending reversal of affordability is combined with the automatically created trough of new household formation rate which has been created by the demographic decline in the people having fewer kids that began 30-40 years ago, the obvious outcome will be a sideways to downward slanting trend of sustainably lower longer term pricing.

    Even though the outcome is staring people in the face, it will take people an extended period of time to believe it simply because the opposite has always been so.




    The effect will become a progressively more obvious fiscal GDP crisis of importance because of the seemingly alien effects of decreased liquidity which ripples through the economy, and the resulting lower tax revenue over time.

    So you are FOR reverse mortgages?
  • HFNYHFNY Member Posts: 5,198 Standard Supporter
    A safer play I've been looking at with a decent dividend and low beta is JXI.
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