“We taxed it all”

GrundleStiltzkin

#ScoDucks

https://twitter.com/kgwnews/status/1365861806598729730?s=21

I thought Oregon was serious about football culture.

RaceBannon

Another Black Eye for Oregon

GrundleStiltzkin

RaceBannon said:

Another Black Eye for Oregon

Long history of racist policies in that state.

DerekJohnson

GrundleStiltzkin said:

#ScoDucks

https://twitter.com/kgwnews/status/1365861806598729730?s=21

I thought Oregon was serious about football culture.

Jimmy Lake needs to text this link to Tuimoloau

greenblood

So $3 chuck becomes $5 buck chuck? Let’s be honest, alcoholics and underaged kids buy the cheap stuff anyway. This bill won’t help that. All it does is absolutely destroy the local wineries and breweries. It will also give rise to the at home brewer, which will destroy pretty much all retail sales of microbrews.

greenblood

Seriously, I'm not a fan of additional taxation, but if we had a tax that specifically went to building low income state/city housing developments, I'd be down for that. As the cost of apartments has led to the huge homeless population we are currently dealing with.

SFGbob

greenblood said:

Seriously, I'm not a fan of additional taxation, but if we had a tax that specifically went to building low income state/city housing developments, I'd be down for that. As the cost of apartments has led to the huge homeless population we are currently dealing with.

That's really not what's driving homelessness but the homeless industrial complex would like to make you think that it is.

greenblood

SFGbob said:

greenblood said:

Seriously, I'm not a fan of additional taxation, but if we had a tax that specifically went to building low income state/city housing developments, I'd be down for that. As the cost of apartments has led to the huge homeless population we are currently dealing with.

That's really not what's driving homelessness but the homeless industrial complex would like to make you think that it is.

Mental health, drug and alcohol addiction also plays a part. However, that doesn't explain why Oregon has higher homeless rates per capita than other states. Oregon doesn't have a bigger drug problem than them.

ntxduck

greenblood said:

SFGbob said:

greenblood said:

Seriously, I'm not a fan of additional taxation, but if we had a tax that specifically went to building low income state/city housing developments, I'd be down for that. As the cost of apartments has led to the huge homeless population we are currently dealing with.

That's really not what's driving homelessness but the homeless industrial complex would like to make you think that it is.

Mental health, drug and alcohol addiction also plays a part. However, that doesn't explain why Oregon has higher homeless rates per capita than other states. Oregon doesn't have a bigger drug problem than them.

Oregon, colorado, and California babysit the nation’s homeless because they have laxer penalties, laws, and better services. Drifters migrate there accordingly. Most of the homeless people in Colorado are from Texas and Oklahoma.

Until it’s tackled at a national level (never) nothing is going to change

greenblood

ntxduck said:

greenblood said:

SFGbob said:

greenblood said:

Seriously, I'm not a fan of additional taxation, but if we had a tax that specifically went to building low income state/city housing developments, I'd be down for that. As the cost of apartments has led to the huge homeless population we are currently dealing with.

That's really not what's driving homelessness but the homeless industrial complex would like to make you think that it is.

Mental health, drug and alcohol addiction also plays a part. However, that doesn't explain why Oregon has higher homeless rates per capita than other states. Oregon doesn't have a bigger drug problem than them.

Oregon, colorado, and California babysit the nation’s homeless because they have laxer penalties, laws, and better services. Drifters migrate there accordingly. Most of the homeless people in Colorado are from Texas and Oklahoma.

Until it’s tackled at a national level (never) nothing is going to change

Didn't the federal government rule against Idaho in the homeless lawsuit?

SFGbob

greenblood said:

ntxduck said:

greenblood said:

SFGbob said:

greenblood said:

Seriously, I'm not a fan of additional taxation, but if we had a tax that specifically went to building low income state/city housing developments, I'd be down for that. As the cost of apartments has led to the huge homeless population we are currently dealing with.

That's really not what's driving homelessness but the homeless industrial complex would like to make you think that it is.

Mental health, drug and alcohol addiction also plays a part. However, that doesn't explain why Oregon has higher homeless rates per capita than other states. Oregon doesn't have a bigger drug problem than them.

Oregon, colorado, and California babysit the nation’s homeless because they have laxer penalties, laws, and better services. Drifters migrate there accordingly. Most of the homeless people in Colorado are from Texas and Oklahoma.

Until it’s tackled at a national level (never) nothing is going to change

Didn't the federal government rule against Idaho in the homeless lawsuit?

9th Circuit did.

SFGbob

greenblood said:

SFGbob said:

greenblood said:

Seriously, I'm not a fan of additional taxation, but if we had a tax that specifically went to building low income state/city housing developments, I'd be down for that. As the cost of apartments has led to the huge homeless population we are currently dealing with.

That's really not what's driving homelessness but the homeless industrial complex would like to make you think that it is.

Mental health, drug and alcohol addiction also plays a part. However, that doesn't explain why Oregon has higher homeless rates per capita than other states. Oregon doesn't have a bigger drug problem than them.

Think if your own personal situation. Back when I was a renter, if the rent would have gotten so high that I couldn't afford it I wouldn't have ended up homeless. I would have moved or taken on a room mate. Most people that are homeless are in that condition because of the reasons you listed. High rents aren't the driving force.

haie

Reading the tea leaves of what the owner of Ecliptic said about this, it's most likely going to be devastating for the all but the biggest craft breweries in Oregon.

The defense of this is laughably stupid. Basically the state government finally caught on that craft beer and wine is now a fruitful industry in Oregon (and one of the state's identities) and has claimed a right to an intolerable percentage of it.

Binge drinking/addiction funding as an excuse too?

lol.

SCoooooo00000

creepycoug

SFGbob said:

greenblood said:

SFGbob said:

greenblood said:

Seriously, I'm not a fan of additional taxation, but if we had a tax that specifically went to building low income state/city housing developments, I'd be down for that. As the cost of apartments has led to the huge homeless population we are currently dealing with.

That's really not what's driving homelessness but the homeless industrial complex would like to make you think that it is.

Mental health, drug and alcohol addiction also plays a part. However, that doesn't explain why Oregon has higher homeless rates per capita than other states. Oregon doesn't have a bigger drug problem than them.

Think if your own personal situation. Back when I was a renter, if the rent would have gotten so high that I couldn't afford it I wouldn't have ended up homeless. I would have moved or taken on a room mate. Most people that are homeless are in that condition because of the reasons you listed. High rents aren't the driving force.

It is I suspect almost 100% driven by mental illness/addiction and having burned through family/friend support services.

I have a friend who was in private practice, making a killing and living in Laurelhurst. Developed a drinking problem after losing a parent, fucked around lost his marriage, etc. Disbarred. He was very close to being on the streets. His liver was going to blow up before that happened in all probability, but he had a cast iron liver like my father, homelessness was on the horizon for him because he had burned out all of those personal support systems. It was a trip to Harborview (or 2 or 3 or 4) that finally scared him into rehab. and he's doing ok now. Not great. He can't practice law and like I said lost everything, but he's sober.

creepycoug

haie said:

Reading the tea leaves of what the owner of Ecliptic said about this, it's most likely going to be devastating for the all but the biggest craft breweries in Oregon.

The defense of this is laughably stupid. Basically the state government finally caught on that craft beer and wine is now a fruitful industry in Oregon (and one of the state's identities) and has claimed a right to an intolerable percentage of it.

Binge drinking/addiction funding as an excuse too?

lol.

SCoooooo00000

I've always found the "vice" taxes to be so personally fucking offensive. As if anyone on this planet lives with no vice. Fuck outta here.

Like the soda tax. Fuck. Yeah, we know sugar is bad and makes us fat. We also know red meat isn't good for you either. Is there a special tax in line for that next? Too much of anything isn't good for you.

It's a particularly pernicious and sneaky way to load up on taxing people.

BleachedAnusDawg

The only thing decent to come out of Oregon is its beer industry and the government wants to destroy it. Hilarious.

BleachedAnusDawg

greenblood said:

Seriously, I'm not a fan of additional taxation, but if we had a tax that specifically went to building low income state/city housing developments, I'd be down for that. As the cost of apartments has led to the huge homeless population we are currently dealing with.

The costs for public housing to be built per unit is insane, upwards of $400k per unit, and you have to pay for ongoing maintenance over the long-term to avoid public housing slums. Public housing is a complete disaster and has never worked.

Costs of rent have zero to do with homelessness. It's drug addiction and mental health. Seattle Times had a story a couple years back with survey info from homeless populations and 90% of the said they were homeless due to addiction or mental health.