Delta Lost $12 billion in 2020

PurpleThrobber

In defense of air travel bouncing back.

Better draw than the fucking Alaska safety dance for fuck's sake.

creepycoug

PurpleThrobber said:

In defense of air travel bouncing back.

Better draw than the fucking Alaska safety dance for fuck's sake.

She was such a smokeshow back in the day. Many, many impure thoughts.

dnc

creepycoug said:

PurpleThrobber said:

In defense of air travel bouncing back.

Better draw than the fucking Alaska safety dance for fuck's sake.

She was such a smokeshow back in the day. Many, many impure thoughts.

Peak Britney was special

Pitchfork51

Swaye said:

USMChawk said:

Swaye said:

creepycoug said:

RaceBannon said:

I am down 35 pounds, off of one of two BP medicines that were inflicted on me and use the other one about three times a week. Like Gordon Gekko I have a BP monitor at my desk. Red wine helps too

And exercise. Mostly walking now

I've moved up to a run/walk combo. Running everyday on asphalt ... the body doesn't allow that any more. I still need to check my diet ... I've got around 10 or 15 I need to lose.

Fat fuck creep.

It's funny everyone else I know got fat on Covid, but like Race I shed 30 pounds of marriage/Daddy/no more cocaine weight and am back down to a fit and trim buck 70 at 5' 10". Of coruse all my hair has started falling out rapidly, so I've got that going for me. Goddamnit.

Male pattern baldness runs in my family but it missed me. But, I’m now old enough that it’s just starting to thin out from age. Just on my head mind you, it’s going like weeds everywhere else. Fuck...

Mine has been so weird. I had a full head of hair for the most part at 40. Slight widows peaks but it was all still there. Pumpy's flowing locks and shit. By 45 slight recessions but still good to go. The last couple years it just all fell out all at once. Shower looks like the floor of a barber shop after I get out the last 6 months. Nothing gradual about it. I had hair, and then I didn't. WTF. I'm Injun/Scot/Welsh. I got all the worst characteristics of all three.

Shitty easily burned skin. Thanks Scotland, you fucks.
Going bald. Thanks Wales, you fucks.
Hate everyone except trees. Thanks 1st Nation, you fucks.
Raging drug addict and alcoholic. Thanks all of you, you fucks.

I told you your being scottish sucked.

doogie

Swaye said:

dflea said:

Swaye said:

Doog_de_Jour said:

I like Delta and Alaska. Other US airlines can fuck off.

Yeah, I think there is a huge pent up demand for travel, so the airlines and hospitality industries will bounce back.

I’m not as convinced that business travel will ever return to pre-COVID levels though, but I’m by no means an expert.

Agree. Here at Orkin we are exploring greatly reduced air travel even in a post Covid world. For North American clients we have T&E built on top, but for the rest of the globe that came right out of hide in the contract. Someone in finance realized what our new margins are without travel, and the fact that new clients still pay the same whether we are going anywhere or not. Yeah, business travel will NEVER return to pre-Covid levels. Ever.

This is what all the corporate folks are saying. It will last until your competition meets customers face-to-face and steals them, and then everyone will be back in the air again.

I'm not giving my business to someone who won't meet with me in person, and I think a lot of people are like that. Fuck Zoom meetings. Air travel isn't something a company wants to spend money on but they're going to find out you have to if you want to be a winner.

I went to Shelton High School and have a lowly bachelor's degree in Econ from lowly UW, though. so you may hear differently from the MBA holders about this.

Counterpoint! I do agree some travel will come back, but not all. Let me give an example. Say I had a client on a 3 week job. Before Covid I would fly out and do a few days onsite with them, go home, fly back 2 weeks later to deliver some executive outbrief for two hours. In the future, the executive outbrief will be done remotely. Sure, fly out once to meet them and kiss babies, but much of the world will now see the uselessness of spending 1500 bucks going back for a two hour brief. I absolutely know business travel will be impacted by this calculus. Covid got everyone used to stupid Zoom calls. It's going to make a difference, at least for me. No more platinum 1K, probably ever. Thank Christ.

Hiding the names of course, can you share with us a sample of what an executive outbrief on let’s say... Carpenter Ants looks like? and why you need to fly in to give it?

creepycoug

Pitchfork51 said:

Swaye said:

USMChawk said:

Swaye said:

creepycoug said:

RaceBannon said:

I am down 35 pounds, off of one of two BP medicines that were inflicted on me and use the other one about three times a week. Like Gordon Gekko I have a BP monitor at my desk. Red wine helps too

And exercise. Mostly walking now

I've moved up to a run/walk combo. Running everyday on asphalt ... the body doesn't allow that any more. I still need to check my diet ... I've got around 10 or 15 I need to lose.

Fat fuck creep.

It's funny everyone else I know got fat on Covid, but like Race I shed 30 pounds of marriage/Daddy/no more cocaine weight and am back down to a fit and trim buck 70 at 5' 10". Of coruse all my hair has started falling out rapidly, so I've got that going for me. Goddamnit.

Male pattern baldness runs in my family but it missed me. But, I’m now old enough that it’s just starting to thin out from age. Just on my head mind you, it’s going like weeds everywhere else. Fuck...

Mine has been so weird. I had a full head of hair for the most part at 40. Slight widows peaks but it was all still there. Pumpy's flowing locks and shit. By 45 slight recessions but still good to go. The last couple years it just all fell out all at once. Shower looks like the floor of a barber shop after I get out the last 6 months. Nothing gradual about it. I had hair, and then I didn't. WTF. I'm Injun/Scot/Welsh. I got all the worst characteristics of all three.

Shitty easily burned skin. Thanks Scotland, you fucks.
Going bald. Thanks Wales, you fucks.
Hate everyone except trees. Thanks 1st Nation, you fucks.
Raging drug addict and alcoholic. Thanks all of you, you fucks.

I told you your being scottish sucked.

Oh brother, I'm sorry. And what's a particular bitch for you is that, as you likely well know, injuns never lose their hair. It's not a thing in that gene pool. At all. Fuck.

My 97 year old grandather had Rick Ricardo hair (of course). Full fucking head of waivy hair he just combed straight back. Never lost a millimeter of it. Which is amazing because almost all men thin eventually when they get old enough. He never did. He was the 1/2 of 1% who had as much hair at 97 as did at 17. That sucked for me and my old man to live with.

Swaye

creepycoug said:

Pitchfork51 said:

Swaye said:

USMChawk said:

Swaye said:

creepycoug said:

RaceBannon said:

I am down 35 pounds, off of one of two BP medicines that were inflicted on me and use the other one about three times a week. Like Gordon Gekko I have a BP monitor at my desk. Red wine helps too

And exercise. Mostly walking now

I've moved up to a run/walk combo. Running everyday on asphalt ... the body doesn't allow that any more. I still need to check my diet ... I've got around 10 or 15 I need to lose.

Fat fuck creep.

It's funny everyone else I know got fat on Covid, but like Race I shed 30 pounds of marriage/Daddy/no more cocaine weight and am back down to a fit and trim buck 70 at 5' 10". Of coruse all my hair has started falling out rapidly, so I've got that going for me. Goddamnit.

Male pattern baldness runs in my family but it missed me. But, I’m now old enough that it’s just starting to thin out from age. Just on my head mind you, it’s going like weeds everywhere else. Fuck...

Mine has been so weird. I had a full head of hair for the most part at 40. Slight widows peaks but it was all still there. Pumpy's flowing locks and shit. By 45 slight recessions but still good to go. The last couple years it just all fell out all at once. Shower looks like the floor of a barber shop after I get out the last 6 months. Nothing gradual about it. I had hair, and then I didn't. WTF. I'm Injun/Scot/Welsh. I got all the worst characteristics of all three.

Shitty easily burned skin. Thanks Scotland, you fucks.
Going bald. Thanks Wales, you fucks.
Hate everyone except trees. Thanks 1st Nation, you fucks.
Raging drug addict and alcoholic. Thanks all of you, you fucks.

I told you your being scottish sucked.

Oh brother, I'm sorry. And what's a particular bitch for you is that, as you likely well know, injuns never lose their hair. It's not a thing in that gene pool. At all. Fuck.

My 97 year old grandather had Rick Ricardo hair (of course). Full fucking head of waivy hair he just combed straight back. Never lost a millimeter of it. Which is amazing because almost all men thin eventually when they get old enough. He never did. He was the 1/2 of 1% who had as much hair at 97 as did at 17. That sucked for me and my old man to live with.

Yeah my point exactly. I missed all the good traits of each of my lineal dna strains, and got the shit ones. I could have had dark skin and kept all my hair. But I can't have nice things.

1to392831weretaken

PurpleThrobber said:

doogie said:

Fuck yes cash in your 401-k have you been reading the headlines???

Funny - Saturday afternoon, Mrs. Throbber v2.0 and I were out for a drive and saw a billboard with the jackpot amount. "Hey, we should drop $10...we're gonna be rich!"

Got to the store and the line was out the door.

"Fuck it - don't want to wait. Not worth it".

There's a strangely 21st century American ethos tale in there somewhere.....

My wife's grandparents gave me a card with a hundred dollar bill in it for Christmas. Like being a little kid again. I wasn't expecting it and therefore felt like blowing it, so I used $20 of it to pay back my son for something I owed him for and dropped the other $80 on Powerball tickets. I was all excited until my investment netted me--no shit--negative $80.

Worth it.

1to392831weretaken

RoadDawg55 said:

I’m not anti vax seatbelts myself but the blind faith in seatbelts and airbags and science message is propaganda. People have had seriously adverse and sometimes long term effects from vaccines been killed by seatbelts and airbags.

My anti-vaxxing coworker explained why he never wears a seatbelt using the above argument. At least he's consistent in his dipshittery. It reminds me of the argument against self-driving vehicles: "But they'll crash!" Yeah, they'll crash. That's not important. What's important is that they crash at a lower rate than humans, and this is already the case.

The question with the vaccine is does it harm/kill people at a greater rate and severity than the virus itself. I don't see how it could have passed clinical trials if it did. If it passed in spite of "acceptable losses," then the obvious strategy would be to give the vaccine to elderly and high-risk population and let the young and fit have a COVID party until natural immunities are built up.

Which is pretty much what's happening anyway, hence the "bad reactions" numbers being scary. At this point, the vast majority of vaccines worldwide have been administered to elderly and at-risk. The same people who have much, much higher death rates from the virus as well. I'm betting that the people who attribute the death of a 90 year old woman to the vaccine she took a week earlier are the same people who were shitting on the COVID death numbers because actual cause of death was pneumonia or old age or heart attack, etc. It's the same thing.

Liberal rag Bloomberg sums it up pretty well here. Sounds like the same kind of reactions very few people have to just about any vaccine, and all of these new vaccines passed the same clinical trials process that any other vaccine we give our kids did, they were just put through those paces on an accelerated timeline, with less hemming and hawing between trials.

dnc

1to392831weretaken said:

RoadDawg55 said:

I’m not anti vax seatbelts myself but the blind faith in seatbelts and airbags and science message is propaganda. People have had seriously adverse and sometimes long term effects from vaccines been killed by seatbelts and airbags.

My anti-vaxxing coworker explained why he never wears a seatbelt using the above argument. At least he's consistent in his dipshittery. It reminds me of the argument against self-driving vehicles: "But they'll crash!" Yeah, they'll crash. That's not important. What's important is that they crash at a lower rate than humans, and this is already the case.

The question with the vaccine is does it harm/kill people at a greater rate and severity than the virus itself. I don't see how it could have passed clinical trials if it did. If it passed in spite of "acceptable losses," then the obvious strategy would be to give the vaccine to elderly and high-risk population and let the young and fit have a COVID party until natural immunities are built up.

Which is pretty much what's happening anyway, hence the "bad reactions" numbers being scary. At this point, the vast majority of vaccines worldwide have been administered to elderly and at-risk. The same people who have much, much higher death rates from the virus as well. I'm betting that the people who attribute the death of a 90 year old woman to the vaccine she took a week earlier are the same people who were shitting on the COVID death numbers because actual cause of death was pneumonia or old age or heart attack, etc. It's the same thing.

Liberal rag Bloomberg sums it up pretty well here. Sounds like the same kind of reactions very few people have to just about any vaccine, and all of these new vaccines passed the same clinical trials process that any other vaccine we give our kids did, they were just put through those paces on an accelerated timeline, with less hemming and hawing between trials.

I agree with most everything you're saying here, and I'm very pro vax in general. I do think it makes sense to be a bit skeptical about this one since it is a. so new and b. was developed in a fairly short period of time.

I think it's probably going to be fine. I'm also very comfortable letting other people be the guinea pigs while I observe.