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Memo to those who want to change NCAA College Football - Go immediately to the nearest volcano
oregonblitzkrieg
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And hurl yourself into the steaming magma. Merely dying in a fucking fire is not enough. You need to go Pompeii on your own ass. If you can't get to the Hawaiian Islands or Vesuvius, Mt. St. Helens will have to do. Sit next to a vent hole and inhale volcanic fumes until you pass out and expire.
CFB is one of the greatest sports there is to enjoy. The thrill, the excitement, the passion of watching the team you love the most duke it out on the field with their rivals. The beer and the barbecues, the hard hits and the hot bitches. The current discussion afoot about paying players and/or starting alternative leagues to the NCAA Collegiate System opens up a can a worms that may change what CFB looks like in the future. To keep this poast from becoming TL;DR material, lets contain it to dealing with the idea of alternative leagues that pay their players.
Think about it carefully. Do you want college sports to be turned into a complete dreckfest with inferior athletes on your teams? Think college baseball here. Or imagine watching the Olympics without the NBA dream teams. Instead you're watching a bunch of no names with passable talent who you don't give a fuck about watching, playing against other teams you don't give a fuck about watching. This is what CFB will become if an alternative 'farm' league for the NFL takes root. The college football teams as we know them will cease to exist. They will become as lame and peopled with lackluster talent as the college baseball teams because the NFL farm league has siphoned off the bulk of the talent. Say you were born in raised in Washington and went to WSU. Are you really going to give a fuck about that football team in Spokane that's a farm team for the Carolina Panthers? Or would you rather have a decent coog team in nearby Pullman with some NFL talent to root for? Which program will you be more invested in as a fan? Which is more exciting?
The negatives are many. To summarize:
* CFB will become like college baseball. Boring, mediocre, not worth watching.
* The farm league will also be boring, mediocre and not worth watching. Instead of watching up and coming athletes, you'll be watching a mix of these along with NFL dreck that's been sent back down to the minor leagues to brush up their skills.
* No fanbase loyalty. You won't give a fuck about your hometown team because its just a farm team for some other pro program in another state.
* Colleges would stand to lose a ton money. Fans will lose interest in watching subpar football.
* Players may lose out on an education.
* Fans lose out the most. Say goodbye to great college football games. Say hello to shitty farm league games.
The current system may be imperfect but it works. Everyone wins. The colleges win because they make a massive amount of money from their football programs. The players win because many of them get a free education, free publicity for their talents, a degree of fame and a shot at entering the pros if they're good enough. Communities win because the fans and fans from other schools contribute to the local economy when they buy products. The fans win because they get great games.
Lets keep talking about paying the players until the NFL starts taking notice and creates a wonderful farm league program to satisfy you whiners that think this is a good idea.
CFB is one of the greatest sports there is to enjoy. The thrill, the excitement, the passion of watching the team you love the most duke it out on the field with their rivals. The beer and the barbecues, the hard hits and the hot bitches. The current discussion afoot about paying players and/or starting alternative leagues to the NCAA Collegiate System opens up a can a worms that may change what CFB looks like in the future. To keep this poast from becoming TL;DR material, lets contain it to dealing with the idea of alternative leagues that pay their players.
Think about it carefully. Do you want college sports to be turned into a complete dreckfest with inferior athletes on your teams? Think college baseball here. Or imagine watching the Olympics without the NBA dream teams. Instead you're watching a bunch of no names with passable talent who you don't give a fuck about watching, playing against other teams you don't give a fuck about watching. This is what CFB will become if an alternative 'farm' league for the NFL takes root. The college football teams as we know them will cease to exist. They will become as lame and peopled with lackluster talent as the college baseball teams because the NFL farm league has siphoned off the bulk of the talent. Say you were born in raised in Washington and went to WSU. Are you really going to give a fuck about that football team in Spokane that's a farm team for the Carolina Panthers? Or would you rather have a decent coog team in nearby Pullman with some NFL talent to root for? Which program will you be more invested in as a fan? Which is more exciting?
The negatives are many. To summarize:
* CFB will become like college baseball. Boring, mediocre, not worth watching.
* The farm league will also be boring, mediocre and not worth watching. Instead of watching up and coming athletes, you'll be watching a mix of these along with NFL dreck that's been sent back down to the minor leagues to brush up their skills.
* No fanbase loyalty. You won't give a fuck about your hometown team because its just a farm team for some other pro program in another state.
* Colleges would stand to lose a ton money. Fans will lose interest in watching subpar football.
* Players may lose out on an education.
* Fans lose out the most. Say goodbye to great college football games. Say hello to shitty farm league games.
The current system may be imperfect but it works. Everyone wins. The colleges win because they make a massive amount of money from their football programs. The players win because many of them get a free education, free publicity for their talents, a degree of fame and a shot at entering the pros if they're good enough. Communities win because the fans and fans from other schools contribute to the local economy when they buy products. The fans win because they get great games.
Lets keep talking about paying the players until the NFL starts taking notice and creates a wonderful farm league program to satisfy you whiners that think this is a good idea.
Comments
Paying the players won't change shit.
The olympics only became more popular after amateurism got the boot.
The only real effect would be coaches' pay declining along with facilities upgrades. And the second part is a maybe. Big fucking deal.
http://nbcsportsgrouppressbox.com/2012/08/14/ondon-olympics-on-nbc-is-most-watched-television-event-in-u-s-history/
when you says "everybody wins".... if everybody is the advertisers, the coaches, and the university. True, they all win. BUT THEY AREN'T PLAYING THE FUCKING GAME. I don't think putting players on salary is a good idea. Just give them a cut of the gate proceeds.
Disagree
El. Oh. El.
How the fuck do you get away with only paying those athletes that are participants in revenue sports? If that's not the line, do you pay everyone? I think you probably have to pay every D1 player/athlete for equality's sake (legally) and practically. I don't think it's possible to have one group of D1 student-athletes getting paid out there and a separate class based on what the people pay the most to see. What happens when there's a shift in popularity/success and all of a sudden you are one of the two volleyball programs in the country that bring in net income?
How the does every D1 school and/or program do this? All of these programs are setup as non-profits. Net income is reinvested. But, not that many programs have the net income to support paying their athletes. So, cuts have to be made to salary and other expenses and reinvestment/facilities upgrades. This is a "big fucking deal."
As for football, you don't think that every big time coach would flee for the NFL so they can continue making what they were making before? This is applicable across the board, but who is going to accept a pay cut if they can get more elsewhere? So, the coaching talent goes down, the facilities go to shit, and the talent level coming out of college goes to shit. As if the NFL couldn't get any more boring.
Lower salaries, less investment in the programs themselves. The rich will likely get richer, which I'm sure CollegeDoog loves, and the poor get poorer. Oh, your little school has a D1 hockey team? Not much longer. Same for that D1 baseball or D1 basketball team that was such an exciting status bump for your small town community. This is all while Uncle Phil continues to pump cash into Oregon and other similarly large programs are forced to rely even further on the donors and paying customers. Schools will likely be forced to try to sell tickets at even more ridiculous prices, but for a far shittier product.
I think we can all agree that former NCAA athletes should be compensated for the use of their likeness, etc. And, those are the players/athletes that are most likely to be from the revenue generating sports. I also think that some sort of health care fund is a great idea. But, that's the line. You pay only the big boys, or demand everyone be paid, and it all goes to shit.
TL;DR - If you think we should pay NCAA athletes, your critical thinking skills are inferior.
Your point on coaches leaving and fan interest is bad. Coaches salaries are already hugely inflated to due to TV revenue. Tosh fucking Lupoi made 500k last year. The incentive to climb the coaching ranks and make a six/seven figure salary will still be there and coaches are a uniquely skilled labor force. The proportional redistribution won't have a dramatic effect on coaching quality especially when the NFL, the only alternative, is fixed at 32 teams.
Players wouldn't get worse. They'd have even more incentive now to make money through endorsements and the like. Glad you support licensing. That support should be universal on this board because it's so simple and just. The only thing holding it back is the NCAA's greed.