Manchin says no on $2000 direct aid; joins GOP in vote. Possible party switch?

NorthwestFresh

Really trying to figure why there can’t be a stand-alone bill but that simply doesn’t seem possible at this point.

Wonder if Manchin is going to pull a Jim Jeffords and switch parties. Could that be why the GOP seemed to intentionally lose the GA races to a 33 year-old do-nothing trust fund white kid and a racist and violent “Reverend?” That would be fitting for him to caucus with the GOP.

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1347627681723068416?s=21

RaceBannon

Because the government shut the thing down and because we? are still sending billions of dollars over seas, and because PPP was looted by donors, a stand alone check is the only answer that makes sense

By the time they do anything anyone in trouble is fucked anyway

Postponing the rent is like getting a loan from a shark. Those past months will still be due

Bob_C

Don’t worry, Mitt’s gonna offset him.

NorthwestFresh

Bob_C said:

Don’t worry, Mitt’s gonna offset him.

I don’t think Mitt wants another pork-laden “Covid” bill. If he does, then he can fuck right off and be a Democrat.

RaceBannon

http://twitter.com/DavidRutz/status/1347637315888443394?s=19

NorthwestFresh

RaceBannon said:

http://twitter.com/DavidRutz/status/1347637315888443394?s=19

Is he talking about the Mormon guy that was a governor when Obama and Biden ran against him in 2012?

TheKobeStopper

If he switches parties he’s just another Republican. As it stands, he’s one of the most powerful democrats.

And he walked it back, he just wants something.

GreenRiverGatorz

It's still awfully warm for Manchin's next reelection in 2024, but he's someone who must feel awfully uneasy with where everything has gone. The blue dogs are damn near extinct, and the GOP hasn't made itself appealing at all for anyone with a moderate bent.

Frankly Congress could use a few more Joe Manchins.

Bob_C

TheKobeStopper said:

If he switches parties he’s just another Republican. As it stands, he’s one of the most powerful democrats.

And he walked it back, he just wants something.

Has he walked this back? Honest question.

https://www.rollcall.com/2020/11/09/joe-manchin-kills-dreams-of-expanding-supreme-court-eliminating-the-filibuster/

TheKobeStopper

https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1347619095877971976

TheKobeStopper

GreenRiverGatorz said:

It's still awfully warm for Manchin's next reelection in 2024, but he's someone who must feel awfully uneasy with where everything has gone. The blue dogs are damn near extinct, and the GOP hasn't made itself appealing at all for anyone with a moderate bent.

Frankly Congress could use a few more Joe Manchins.

Yeah he’s done great work for the poorest state in the country.

NorthwestFresh

TheKobeStopper said:

https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1347619095877971976

Yes, like I said, he’d support a stand-alone bill. That’s not going to pass Pelosi’s House. Their priority seems to be impeaching Drumpf anyhow.

Bob_C

TheKobeStopper said:

https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1347619095877971976

I’d rather up the amount to those actually affected and take off government workers as the offset that had no actual loss in pay from the list.

SFGbob

GreenRiverGatorz said:

It's still awfully warm for Manchin's next reelection in 2024, but he's someone who must feel awfully uneasy with where everything has gone. The blue dogs are damn near extinct, and the GOP hasn't made itself appealing at all for anyone with a moderate bent.

Frankly Congress could use a few more Joe Manchins.

Plenty of Moderates in the GOP. Mittens, the broads from AK and Maine, Sasse, Cornyn, guy from PA name the moderate Rat Senators?

SFGbob

NorthwestFresh said:

TheKobeStopper said:

https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1347619095877971976

Yes, like I said, he’d support a stand-alone bill. That’s not going to pass Pelosi’s House. Their priority seems to be impeaching Drumpf anyhow.

You know why they don't want a stand alone bill. No money for your donor class, and all your other pet projects in a stand alone bill.

RaceBannon

TheKobeStopper said:

If he switches parties he’s just another Republican. As it stands, he’s one of the most powerful democrats.

And he walked it back, he just wants something.

Well he is on team sellout

GreenRiverGatorz

TheKobeStopper said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

It's still awfully warm for Manchin's next reelection in 2024, but he's someone who must feel awfully uneasy with where everything has gone. The blue dogs are damn near extinct, and the GOP hasn't made itself appealing at all for anyone with a moderate bent.

Frankly Congress could use a few more Joe Manchins.

Yeah he’s done great work for the poorest state in the country.

Bad take. Representing a poor state doesn't make one responsible for that plight.

You're also ironically touching on one of the reasons we need more legislators like Manchin. Congress at its "best" operated as a series of compromises and plurality-building, often through concessions to specific states that each Congressman traded on. That kind of regionalized process resulted in a legislative branch that actually legislated.

Contrast that with legislating done based on national party and ideology as the motivating factor, and the resulting mess it's given us.

RaceBannon

Wasn't the Klan Senator from West Virginia?

HoustonHusky

Manchin is like every other WV Senator...he'll vote for whatever as soon as they back the truck up with pork projects. WV is going to get a TON of money the next 2 years.

GreenRiverGatorz

Bob_C said:

TheKobeStopper said:

https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1347619095877971976

I’d rather up the amount to those actually affected and take off government workers as the offset that had no actual loss in pay from the list.

That should definitely be a start. 95% of the country doesn't need a stimulus. But the ones who are hurting are hurting bad. Neither party seems interested in injecting a little precision into this stimulus and actually targeting those who need it. It's fucking baffling.

Sledog

RaceBannon said:

Because the government shut the thing down and because we? are still sending billions of dollars over seas, and because PPP was looted by donors, a stand alone check is the only answer that makes sense

By the time they do anything anyone in trouble is fucked anyway

Postponing the rent is like getting a loan from a shark. Those past months will still be due

If the dems send money to Americans they don't get millions in kick backs. They love the tax money sent back as payment for sending the money in the first place. That's how this all works. All of it. Ask the Clintons or Obungholes.