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America is a Republic whose leaders are chosen in democratic elections. Those elections, in turn, must comply with the Constitution and with federal and state law.
"When the voters fairly decide an election, pursuant to the rule of law, the losing candidate should acknowledge and respect the legitimacy of that election. And, if the voters choose to elect a new office-holder, our Nation should have a peaceful transfer of power.
"The election of 2020, like the election of 2016, was hard fought and, in many swing states, narrowly decided. The 2020 election, however, featured unprecedented allegations of voter fraud, violations and lax enforcement of election law, and other voting irregularities.
"Voter fraud has posed a persistent challenge in our elections, although its breadth and scope are disputed. By any measure, the allegations of fraud and irregularities in the 2020 election exceed any in our lifetimes.
"And those allegations are not believed just by one individual candidate. Instead, they are widespread. Reuters/Ipsos polling, tragically, shows that 39% of Americans believe ‘the election was rigged.' That belief is held by Republicans (67%), Democrats (17%), and Independents (31%).
"Some Members of Congress disagree with that assessment, as do many members of the media.
"But, whether or not our elected officials or journalists believe it, that deep distrust of our democratic processes will not magically disappear. It should concern us all. And it poses an ongoing threat to the legitimacy of any subsequent administrations.
"Ideally, the courts would have heard evidence and resolved these claims of serious election fraud. Twice, the Supreme Court had the opportunity to do so; twice, the Court declined.
"On January 6, it is incumbent on Congress to vote on whether to certify the 2020 election results. That vote is the lone constitutional power remaining to consider and force resolution of the multiple allegations of serious voter fraud.
"At that quadrennial joint session, there is long precedent of Democratic Members of Congress raising objections to presidential election results, as they did in 1969, 2001, 2005, and 2017. And, in both 1969 and 2005, a Democratic Senator joined with a Democratic House Member in forcing votes in both houses on whether to accept the presidential electors being challenged.
"The most direct precedent on this question arose in 1877, following serious allegations of fraud and illegal conduct in the Hayes-Tilden presidential race. Specifically, the elections in three states-Florida, Louisiana, and South Carolina-were alleged to have been conducted illegally.
"In 1877, Congress did not ignore those allegations, nor did the media simply dismiss those raising them as radicals trying to undermine democracy. Instead, Congress appointed an Electoral Commission-consisting of five Senators, five House Members, and five Supreme Court Justices-to consider and resolve the disputed returns.
"We should follow that precedent. To wit, Congress should immediately appoint an Electoral Commission, with full investigatory and fact-finding authority, to conduct an emergency 10-day audit of the election returns in the disputed states. Once completed, individual states would evaluate the Commission's findings and could convene a special legislative session to certify a change in their vote, if needed.
"Accordingly, we intend to vote on January 6 to reject the electors from disputed states as not ‘regularly given' and ‘lawfully certified' (the statutory requisite), unless and until that emergency 10-day audit is completed.
"We are not naïve. We fully expect most if not all Democrats, and perhaps more than a few Republicans, to vote otherwise. But support of election integrity should not be a partisan issue. A fair and credible audit-conducted expeditiously and completed well before January 20-would dramatically improve Americans' faith in our electoral process and would significantly enhance the legitimacy of whoever becomes our next President. We owe that to the People.
"These are matters worthy of the Congress, and entrusted to us to defend. We do not take this action lightly. We are acting not to thwart the democratic process, but rather to protect it. And every one of us should act together to ensure that the election was lawfully conducted under the Constitution and to do everything we can to restore faith in our Democracy."
https://www.cruz.senate.gov/?p=press_release&id=5541
"When the voters fairly decide an election, pursuant to the rule of law, the losing candidate should acknowledge and respect the legitimacy of that election. And, if the voters choose to elect a new office-holder, our Nation should have a peaceful transfer of power.
"The election of 2020, like the election of 2016, was hard fought and, in many swing states, narrowly decided. The 2020 election, however, featured unprecedented allegations of voter fraud, violations and lax enforcement of election law, and other voting irregularities.
"Voter fraud has posed a persistent challenge in our elections, although its breadth and scope are disputed. By any measure, the allegations of fraud and irregularities in the 2020 election exceed any in our lifetimes.
"And those allegations are not believed just by one individual candidate. Instead, they are widespread. Reuters/Ipsos polling, tragically, shows that 39% of Americans believe ‘the election was rigged.' That belief is held by Republicans (67%), Democrats (17%), and Independents (31%).
"Some Members of Congress disagree with that assessment, as do many members of the media.
"But, whether or not our elected officials or journalists believe it, that deep distrust of our democratic processes will not magically disappear. It should concern us all. And it poses an ongoing threat to the legitimacy of any subsequent administrations.
"Ideally, the courts would have heard evidence and resolved these claims of serious election fraud. Twice, the Supreme Court had the opportunity to do so; twice, the Court declined.
"On January 6, it is incumbent on Congress to vote on whether to certify the 2020 election results. That vote is the lone constitutional power remaining to consider and force resolution of the multiple allegations of serious voter fraud.
"At that quadrennial joint session, there is long precedent of Democratic Members of Congress raising objections to presidential election results, as they did in 1969, 2001, 2005, and 2017. And, in both 1969 and 2005, a Democratic Senator joined with a Democratic House Member in forcing votes in both houses on whether to accept the presidential electors being challenged.
"The most direct precedent on this question arose in 1877, following serious allegations of fraud and illegal conduct in the Hayes-Tilden presidential race. Specifically, the elections in three states-Florida, Louisiana, and South Carolina-were alleged to have been conducted illegally.
"In 1877, Congress did not ignore those allegations, nor did the media simply dismiss those raising them as radicals trying to undermine democracy. Instead, Congress appointed an Electoral Commission-consisting of five Senators, five House Members, and five Supreme Court Justices-to consider and resolve the disputed returns.
"We should follow that precedent. To wit, Congress should immediately appoint an Electoral Commission, with full investigatory and fact-finding authority, to conduct an emergency 10-day audit of the election returns in the disputed states. Once completed, individual states would evaluate the Commission's findings and could convene a special legislative session to certify a change in their vote, if needed.
"Accordingly, we intend to vote on January 6 to reject the electors from disputed states as not ‘regularly given' and ‘lawfully certified' (the statutory requisite), unless and until that emergency 10-day audit is completed.
"We are not naïve. We fully expect most if not all Democrats, and perhaps more than a few Republicans, to vote otherwise. But support of election integrity should not be a partisan issue. A fair and credible audit-conducted expeditiously and completed well before January 20-would dramatically improve Americans' faith in our electoral process and would significantly enhance the legitimacy of whoever becomes our next President. We owe that to the People.
"These are matters worthy of the Congress, and entrusted to us to defend. We do not take this action lightly. We are acting not to thwart the democratic process, but rather to protect it. And every one of us should act together to ensure that the election was lawfully conducted under the Constitution and to do everything we can to restore faith in our Democracy."
https://www.cruz.senate.gov/?p=press_release&id=5541
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It is what it is for 2020
Transparency and addressing concerns of and potential sources of fraud need to be addressed in the 2022 and 2024 elections -
it is what it is?
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THIS HAS LEGS!
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Well, if Meathead says so.doogie said: -
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Itiz whatitiz
https://youtu.be/IKiyAy9vjrk
What we have here is we actually have fraud that we can prove in this election, there was fraud in Georgia’s election, we can prove it with data,” Mealey, who served as a Navy electronic warfare technician for nearly a decade as well as a data analyst and programmer for the CIA and National Counterterrorism Center, told the panel.
“The voting will of the people of Georgia is not reflected in what was certified by the secretary of state,” Mealey, who currently works for one of the “Big Four” accounting firms as a programmer, added.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/01/ignored-media-data-scientists-testify-17650-votes-switched-trump-biden-georgia-amazing-video/
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What did leftists actually win? I don't understand. They arent getting anything.
I guess if you really hate trump to that extent then it's a small victory to get him out. But he never affected your daily life so not really. -
My life wasn't largely affected by having Trump in office and it won't be greatly affected by having Biden in office. Contrary to the wailings of the pussy hatters 4 years ago, and all you fellas today.Pitchfork51 said:What did leftists actually win? I don't understand. They arent getting anything.
I guess if you really hate trump to that extent then it's a small victory to get him out. But he never affected your daily life so not really.
That's the beauty of being a middle class white man.
The first worthless politician that legalizes weed on a federal level will get me to vote for his or her party for the duration. That would be change that affects me. -
The only thing that changes when weed is legal on the fed level will be the addition of the New fed tax
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Wrong. And right.doogie said:The only thing that changes when weed is legal on the fed level will be the addition of the New fed tax
Of course the feds will tax it - what other incentive is there for them to decriminalize or legalize it? That's the incentive for everyone to legalize it - it's a cash cow.
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Sounds like we should bonedflea said:
My life wasn't largely affected by having Trump in office and it won't be greatly affected by having Biden in office. Contrary to the wailings of the pussy hatters 4 years ago, and all you fellas today.Pitchfork51 said:What did leftists actually win? I don't understand. They arent getting anything.
I guess if you really hate trump to that extent then it's a small victory to get him out. But he never affected your daily life so not really.
That's the beauty of being a middle class white man.
The first worthless politician that legalizes weed on a federal level will get me to vote for his or her party for the duration. That would be change that affects me. -
"The first worthless politician that legalizes weed on a federal level will get me to vote for his or her party for the duration. That would be change that affects me." Flea can't find weed in the US because of Trump. Says he can go find an elk and kill it, but finding some weed is like playing 4D chess, apparently.
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I’m skeptical that anything material will come out in the next 2 weeks to change the current directiondoogie said:it is what it is?
LIPO
The risk/reward of using political capital always needs to be evaluated ...
I don’t have the right answer right now and have full confidence that Biden’s not even a mediocre option as President, but Trump’s full on damaged goods at this point.
It’s time to repurpose energy into finishing off the Georgia races, 2022, and 2024.
And honestly, not sure how Trump plays in either right now but it’s probably in his best interest to not come off looking like the Democrats want him to look. -
Well @dflea seems to have an active cocksucking imagination so I’m sure he’s game.Pitchfork51 said:
Sounds like we should bonedflea said:
My life wasn't largely affected by having Trump in office and it won't be greatly affected by having Biden in office. Contrary to the wailings of the pussy hatters 4 years ago, and all you fellas today.Pitchfork51 said:What did leftists actually win? I don't understand. They arent getting anything.
I guess if you really hate trump to that extent then it's a small victory to get him out. But he never affected your daily life so not really.
That's the beauty of being a middle class white man.
The first worthless politician that legalizes weed on a federal level will get me to vote for his or her party for the duration. That would be change that affects me. -
Not sure what "repurpose energy" means. If we have blue cities feeling that they got away with the big cheat in 2020, what is to stop them from just upping the ante? If Romney feels safe and entitled to blame Trump for being a bad sport but remaining silent about the blatant fraud in Fulton Co. and the in the bag so called Georgia Republican SOS and Georgia AG then what? We have about 70 percent trying to row the boat on our side and 30 percent thinking that being honest and calling out lies and fraud is "bad form".Tequilla said:
I’m skeptical that anything material will come out in the next 2 weeks to change the current directiondoogie said:it is what it is?
LIPO
The risk/reward of using political capital always needs to be evaluated ...
I don’t have the right answer right now and have full confidence that Biden’s not even a mediocre option as President, but Trump’s full on damaged goods at this point.
It’s time to repurpose energy into finishing off the Georgia races, 2022, and 2024.
And honestly, not sure how Trump plays in either right now but it’s probably in his best interest to not come off looking like the Democrats want him to look. -
Yeah, that's what I said.WestlinnDuck said:"The first worthless politician that legalizes weed on a federal level will get me to vote for his or her party for the duration. That would be change that affects me." Flea can't find weed in the US because of Trump. Says he can go find an elk and kill it, but finding some weed is like playing 4D chess, apparently.
You sure are a cunt. -
How's your kid? Still depressed his dad is a uselsss cocksucker and can't teach him how to be a man?NorthwestFresh said:
Well @dflea seems to have an active cocksucking imagination so I’m sure he’s game.Pitchfork51 said:
Sounds like we should bonedflea said:
My life wasn't largely affected by having Trump in office and it won't be greatly affected by having Biden in office. Contrary to the wailings of the pussy hatters 4 years ago, and all you fellas today.Pitchfork51 said:What did leftists actually win? I don't understand. They arent getting anything.
I guess if you really hate trump to that extent then it's a small victory to get him out. But he never affected your daily life so not really.
That's the beauty of being a middle class white man.
The first worthless politician that legalizes weed on a federal level will get me to vote for his or her party for the duration. That would be change that affects me. -
I have daughters and what is it with you Freaks mentioning my kids today. First @insinceredawg has a mole station fantasy involving Trump, and now your dumbshit self is talking abut a son I don’t have.dflea said:
How's your kid? Still depressed his dad is a uselsss cocksucker and can't teach him how to be a man?NorthwestFresh said:
Well @dflea seems to have an active cocksucking imagination so I’m sure he’s game.Pitchfork51 said:
Sounds like we should bonedflea said:
My life wasn't largely affected by having Trump in office and it won't be greatly affected by having Biden in office. Contrary to the wailings of the pussy hatters 4 years ago, and all you fellas today.Pitchfork51 said:What did leftists actually win? I don't understand. They arent getting anything.
I guess if you really hate trump to that extent then it's a small victory to get him out. But he never affected your daily life so not really.
That's the beauty of being a middle class white man.
The first worthless politician that legalizes weed on a federal level will get me to vote for his or her party for the duration. That would be change that affects me.
How is it being childless and lonely? Must not be going well considering the fatties and tweekers who live in the south sound you have to date. -
Too late for that. He was complaining after the 2016 election and he won that one.Tequilla said:
I’m skeptical that anything material will come out in the next 2 weeks to change the current directiondoogie said:it is what it is?
LIPO
The risk/reward of using political capital always needs to be evaluated ...
I don’t have the right answer right now and have full confidence that Biden’s not even a mediocre option as President, but Trump’s full on damaged goods at this point.
It’s time to repurpose energy into finishing off the Georgia races, 2022, and 2024.
And honestly, not sure how Trump plays in either right now but it’s probably in his best interest to not come off looking like the Democrats want him to look.
The current GOP has plenty to work with if they can hang on to the Senate (if they don’t, they are likely properly fucked). They cleaned up at the congressional and state level for representation. History also doesn’t favor the party of any president in midterm elections.
Biden will go to town with EOs and memos, but that’s about it.
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It’s the fucking Tug.
Shoulda rolled with the “son” you don’t have -
The depressed kid is a daughter? Hmmm. Have you been stealing her boyfriends or something?NorthwestFresh said:
I have daughters and what is it with you Freaks mentioning my kids today. First @insinceredawg has a mole station fantasy involving Trump, and now your dumbshit self is talking abut a son I don’t have.dflea said:
How's your kid? Still depressed his dad is a uselsss cocksucker and can't teach him how to be a man?NorthwestFresh said:
Well @dflea seems to have an active cocksucking imagination so I’m sure he’s game.Pitchfork51 said:
Sounds like we should bonedflea said:
My life wasn't largely affected by having Trump in office and it won't be greatly affected by having Biden in office. Contrary to the wailings of the pussy hatters 4 years ago, and all you fellas today.Pitchfork51 said:What did leftists actually win? I don't understand. They arent getting anything.
I guess if you really hate trump to that extent then it's a small victory to get him out. But he never affected your daily life so not really.
That's the beauty of being a middle class white man.
The first worthless politician that legalizes weed on a federal level will get me to vote for his or her party for the duration. That would be change that affects me.
How is it being childless and lonely? Must not be going well considering the fatties and tweekers who live in the south sound you have to date.
I'm not childless. Childish, sure. -
Ummm. What will be different in addressing potential fraud in those future elections? Nothing. The media will stifle anyone that brings it up, as well will the Courts.Tequilla said:It is what it is for 2020
Transparency and addressing concerns of and potential sources of fraud need to be addressed in the 2022 and 2024 elections
If you believe that there was fraud of any kind in a Presidential election, it should be addressed pronto. For if not, why would you waste your time voting anymore? -
I said you were too stupid and lazy to find weed. Glad you think it should be delivered to your door by $15 an hour government workers with full benefits and pensions. I'm an honest libertarian conservative and thought it should have been legalized a long time ago. But it is not my number one voting issue. You need help.dflea said:
Yeah, that's what I said.WestlinnDuck said:"The first worthless politician that legalizes weed on a federal level will get me to vote for his or her party for the duration. That would be change that affects me." Flea can't find weed in the US because of Trump. Says he can go find an elk and kill it, but finding some weed is like playing 4D chess, apparently.
You sure are a cunt. -
Yeah, that's what I said.WestlinnDuck said:
I said you were too stupid and lazy to find weed. Glad you think it should be delivered to your door by $15 an hour government workers with full benefits and pensions. I'm an honest libertarian conservative and thought it should have been legalized a long time ago. But it is not my number one voting issue. You need help.dflea said:
Yeah, that's what I said.WestlinnDuck said:"The first worthless politician that legalizes weed on a federal level will get me to vote for his or her party for the duration. That would be change that affects me." Flea can't find weed in the US because of Trump. Says he can go find an elk and kill it, but finding some weed is like playing 4D chess, apparently.
You sure are a cunt.
Cunt. -
Agree, I'm a disagreeable and honest cunt and you are phucking lazy, dishonorable, stoned and stupid.
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Move energy towards making reforms to increase speed, transparency, and accuracy of voting process ... eliminate areas/opportunities for fraudWestlinnDuck said:
Not sure what "repurpose energy" means. If we have blue cities feeling that they got away with the big cheat in 2020, what is to stop them from just upping the ante? If Romney feels safe and entitled to blame Trump for being a bad sport but remaining silent about the blatant fraud in Fulton Co. and the in the bag so called Georgia Republican SOS and Georgia AG then what? We have about 70 percent trying to row the boat on our side and 30 percent thinking that being honest and calling out lies and fraud is "bad form".Tequilla said:
I’m skeptical that anything material will come out in the next 2 weeks to change the current directiondoogie said:it is what it is?
LIPO
The risk/reward of using political capital always needs to be evaluated ...
I don’t have the right answer right now and have full confidence that Biden’s not even a mediocre option as President, but Trump’s full on damaged goods at this point.
It’s time to repurpose energy into finishing off the Georgia races, 2022, and 2024.
And honestly, not sure how Trump plays in either right now but it’s probably in his best interest to not come off looking like the Democrats want him to look.
Even if everything being claimed is true, Dems then check mated GOP in 2020 ... tip the cap and get back to work on winning the next game -
Exactly ... everything should be about maintaining the Senate until 2022 and making a great case in the midterm elections ... then take that momentum into 2024 where Biden/Harris are going to give you tons of gifts in the next 4 years to use against themMelloDawg said:
Too late for that. He was complaining after the 2016 election and he won that one.Tequilla said:
I’m skeptical that anything material will come out in the next 2 weeks to change the current directiondoogie said:it is what it is?
LIPO
The risk/reward of using political capital always needs to be evaluated ...
I don’t have the right answer right now and have full confidence that Biden’s not even a mediocre option as President, but Trump’s full on damaged goods at this point.
It’s time to repurpose energy into finishing off the Georgia races, 2022, and 2024.
And honestly, not sure how Trump plays in either right now but it’s probably in his best interest to not come off looking like the Democrats want him to look.
The current GOP has plenty to work with if they can hang on to the Senate (if they don’t, they are likely properly fucked). They cleaned up at the congressional and state level for representation. History also doesn’t favor the party of any president in midterm elections.
Biden will go to town with EOs and memos, but that’s about it.
At some point stop paying attention to Trump ... take from him the positives and upgrade vs his negatives -
I agree but moving energy seems to be violence towards leftards. I don't want that, but still what is plan A? Leftard violence had paralyzed or been encouraged by blue state politicians and met with passivity by most republican politicians. I would prefer that Romney was backing the President, but he isn't. What energy his he moving.Tequilla said:
Move energy towards making reforms to increase speed, transparency, and accuracy of voting process ... eliminate areas/opportunities for fraudWestlinnDuck said:
Not sure what "repurpose energy" means. If we have blue cities feeling that they got away with the big cheat in 2020, what is to stop them from just upping the ante? If Romney feels safe and entitled to blame Trump for being a bad sport but remaining silent about the blatant fraud in Fulton Co. and the in the bag so called Georgia Republican SOS and Georgia AG then what? We have about 70 percent trying to row the boat on our side and 30 percent thinking that being honest and calling out lies and fraud is "bad form".Tequilla said:
I’m skeptical that anything material will come out in the next 2 weeks to change the current directiondoogie said:it is what it is?
LIPO
The risk/reward of using political capital always needs to be evaluated ...
I don’t have the right answer right now and have full confidence that Biden’s not even a mediocre option as President, but Trump’s full on damaged goods at this point.
It’s time to repurpose energy into finishing off the Georgia races, 2022, and 2024.
And honestly, not sure how Trump plays in either right now but it’s probably in his best interest to not come off looking like the Democrats want him to look.
Even if everything being claimed is true, Dems then check mated GOP in 2020 ... tip the cap and get back to work on winning the next game -
People pay attention to Romney?WestlinnDuck said:
I agree but moving energy seems to be violence towards leftards. I don't want that, but still what is plan A? Leftard violence had paralyzed or been encouraged by blue state politicians and met with passivity by most republican politicians. I would prefer that Romney was backing the President, but he isn't. What energy his he moving.Tequilla said:
Move energy towards making reforms to increase speed, transparency, and accuracy of voting process ... eliminate areas/opportunities for fraudWestlinnDuck said:
Not sure what "repurpose energy" means. If we have blue cities feeling that they got away with the big cheat in 2020, what is to stop them from just upping the ante? If Romney feels safe and entitled to blame Trump for being a bad sport but remaining silent about the blatant fraud in Fulton Co. and the in the bag so called Georgia Republican SOS and Georgia AG then what? We have about 70 percent trying to row the boat on our side and 30 percent thinking that being honest and calling out lies and fraud is "bad form".Tequilla said:
I’m skeptical that anything material will come out in the next 2 weeks to change the current directiondoogie said:it is what it is?
LIPO
The risk/reward of using political capital always needs to be evaluated ...
I don’t have the right answer right now and have full confidence that Biden’s not even a mediocre option as President, but Trump’s full on damaged goods at this point.
It’s time to repurpose energy into finishing off the Georgia races, 2022, and 2024.
And honestly, not sure how Trump plays in either right now but it’s probably in his best interest to not come off looking like the Democrats want him to look.
Even if everything being claimed is true, Dems then check mated GOP in 2020 ... tip the cap and get back to work on winning the next game
