Are Leftists ACTUALLY Interested in Unifying With Conservatives?
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I really don’t even understand what you think your point is here. It was obvious your question was a gotcha but I don’t get it.Bob_C said:I guess it appears then. Or is it taken?
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Trying to understand the mechanics of whatever it is you are proposing.TheKobeStopper said:
I really don’t even understand what you think your point is here. It was obvious your question was a gotcha but I don’t get it.Bob_C said:I guess it appears then. Or is it taken?
Workers own businesses or at least a much higher percentage than they do now, does this include current existing businesses or just new ones? If it’s a new one, who and what form supplies the capital to manufacture inventory, hire new workers, etc ahead of actual earnings?
If it’s an existing one, are we transferring equity from current shareholders to the workers or recapitalizing the business in some fashion as to not dilute/steal from the existing shareholders? Where does that money come from?
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Yes, yes everyone knows that you, the guy who supports higher taxes, nationalized healthcare and who voted for Obama, Hillary and now Biden, swallowed hook line and sinker the Russian collusion and impeachment fraud is the real Conservative.HHusky said:You populist, anti-government reactionaries aren’t conservatives. You’re flattering yourselves.
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Yeah because you're barely literate moron you have the perspective. You've already embarrassed yourself enough the last time you attempted to discuss Capitalism.TheKobeStopper said:From my perspective capitalism is the system where people lust after others hard work.
Anyone else notice how the Dazzler, rock solid conservative that he is, unlike any Trump supporter, never has anything negative to say about Kobe's views on Capitalism. -
You mean the rally that was organized by a Occupy Wall Street supporter who endorsed Biden this last election cycle?Rubberfist said:Bendintheriver said:
Another lie. My in-laws were door knocked by the Sons and Daughters of the Confederacy. They were campaigning for Jon Ossoff. The klan has been and continues to be a dem vote.TheKobeStopper said:
It’s not the democrats still flying the confederate flag.Sledog said:
Keep it up the compromise will be where we leave the lefties when we take the country back. Remember the not so civil war the last time the parties had it out. Stock up on soy you'll need it.TheKobeStopper said:Unity and compromise are not the same thing.
You use compromise as a bludgeon to stop progress. You think climate change is a Chinese hoax and now you want to compromise on it? No, you want to suck moderates in to thinking things like universal healthcare and climate change are “extreme” so you can kneecap them with compromise.
Four years ago, on this board, I said even though I didn’t agree with Trump on basically everything I would give him a shot. That’s what unity looks like and look how you guys are acting now. Miss me with this victim complex bullshit.
Sure.gifBendintheriver said:
Another lie. My in-laws were door knocked by the Sons and Daughters of the Confederacy. They were campaigning for Jon Ossoff. The klan has been and continues to be a dem vote.TheKobeStopper said:
It’s not the democrats still flying the confederate flag.Sledog said:
Keep it up the compromise will be where we leave the lefties when we take the country back. Remember the not so civil war the last time the parties had it out. Stock up on soy you'll need it.TheKobeStopper said:Unity and compromise are not the same thing.
You use compromise as a bludgeon to stop progress. You think climate change is a Chinese hoax and now you want to compromise on it? No, you want to suck moderates in to thinking things like universal healthcare and climate change are “extreme” so you can kneecap them with compromise.
Four years ago, on this board, I said even though I didn’t agree with Trump on basically everything I would give him a shot. That’s what unity looks like and look how you guys are acting now. Miss me with this victim complex bullshit.
Explain Unite the Right. -
Exposing your ignorance and stupidity appears to be his point.TheKobeStopper said:
I really don’t even understand what you think your point is here. It was obvious your question was a gotcha but I don’t get it.Bob_C said:I guess it appears then. Or is it taken?
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I will take things that never happened for $1000 pleaseBendintheriver said:
Another lie. My in-laws were door knocked by the Sons and Daughters of the Confederacy. They were campaigning for Jon Ossoff. The klan has been and continues to be a dem vote.TheKobeStopper said:
It’s not the democrats still flying the confederate flag.Sledog said:
Keep it up the compromise will be where we leave the lefties when we take the country back. Remember the not so civil war the last time the parties had it out. Stock up on soy you'll need it.TheKobeStopper said:Unity and compromise are not the same thing.
You use compromise as a bludgeon to stop progress. You think climate change is a Chinese hoax and now you want to compromise on it? No, you want to suck moderates in to thinking things like universal healthcare and climate change are “extreme” so you can kneecap them with compromise.
Four years ago, on this board, I said even though I didn’t agree with Trump on basically everything I would give him a shot. That’s what unity looks like and look how you guys are acting now. Miss me with this victim complex bullshit. -
The Left’s version of unifying...
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Ok, I see. So if you’re talking about compensating regular people that used money they earned to become shareholders, I’d be open to some kind of compensation. If you’re talking about giving Bezos 200 billion to compensate him for value he stole from labor, then no.Bob_C said:
Trying to understand the mechanics of whatever it is you are proposing.TheKobeStopper said:
I really don’t even understand what you think your point is here. It was obvious your question was a gotcha but I don’t get it.Bob_C said:I guess it appears then. Or is it taken?
Workers own businesses or at least a much higher percentage than they do now, does this include current existing businesses or just new ones? If it’s a new one, who and what form supplies the capital to manufacture inventory, hire new workers, etc ahead of actual earnings?
If it’s an existing one, are we transferring equity from current shareholders to the workers or recapitalizing the business in some fashion as to not dilute/steal from the existing shareholders? Where does that money come from?
Currently co ops use member investment as capital. They also have a hard time working with banks, despite co ops being a model that’s proven to work, because they are not capitalist in a capitalist system. So in a future theoretical version, if everyone was a co op then that would obviously change. -
Basically you are advocating for ending private investment in business. The threat of quasi-nationalizing of business investments will dry that market up very quickly. Banks will help fill the gap a bit through debt, but your anger will just get transferred to them.TheKobeStopper said:
Ok, I see. So if you’re talking about compensating regular people that used money they earned to become shareholders, I’d be open to some kind of compensation. If you’re talking about giving Bezos 200 billion to compensate him for value he stole from labor, then no.Bob_C said:
Trying to understand the mechanics of whatever it is you are proposing.TheKobeStopper said:
I really don’t even understand what you think your point is here. It was obvious your question was a gotcha but I don’t get it.Bob_C said:I guess it appears then. Or is it taken?
Workers own businesses or at least a much higher percentage than they do now, does this include current existing businesses or just new ones? If it’s a new one, who and what form supplies the capital to manufacture inventory, hire new workers, etc ahead of actual earnings?
If it’s an existing one, are we transferring equity from current shareholders to the workers or recapitalizing the business in some fashion as to not dilute/steal from the existing shareholders? Where does that money come from?
Currently co ops use member investment as capital. They also have a hard time working with banks, despite co ops being a model that’s proven to work, because they are not capitalist in a capitalist system. So in a future theoretical version, if everyone was a co op then that would obviously change.
Your co op may be able to function as you describe, but it will come at the expense of general output. You need capital to build large scale anything to maintain and grow output. Less capital equals less upside on output.
I’ve done audits on a few ESOPs (essentially coops), they are all under capitalized, and the ones that have enough cash have huge bank loans. Every time an employee leaves for a new job or retires, the existing members have to buy back that employees equity shares themselves or get bank loans to buy them back. Wages can grow as giving a small raise is seen as better than losing employees and having to buy them out. But it all gets done through debt as there is never enough free capital to invest in growth. Death spiral.
