Tucker Carlson was insulting, demanding and rude
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So the DNC pointed out vulnerability before the election. And, what. Trump waited to lose before expressing concern?Sledog said:Actually dems focused on it and complained about it quite a bit. Elizabeth Warren was one of them. PBS, NYT and several others did articles on vulnerabilities, cheating possibilities.
In person unless disabled with ID on paper ballots. That's what we need.
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How could he change it? The left didn't think they needed to go this far in '16. They pulled out all the stops this year. Odd every swing state quite counting once Trump was out to a large unexpected lead? All had observer issues, one a fake pipe break, one said counting was over for the night sent observers home but they all kept counting. And during this time is when massive numbers of Biden only votes showed up. Over 100k all for Biden on a few instances. Sound normal? Not to me.creepycoug said:
So the DNC pointed out vulnerability before the election. And, what. Trump waited to lose before expressing concern?Sledog said:Actually dems focused on it and complained about it quite a bit. Elizabeth Warren was one of them. PBS, NYT and several others did articles on vulnerabilities, cheating possibilities.
In person unless disabled with ID on paper ballots. That's what we need.
Would it have been an issue if the outcome were different? -
I’m not jumping into all that. We have different standards for what each of us counts as something he thinks he knows as a fact. I have absolutely no idea about any of that. If it’s there, I assume Trump’s team of lawyers will be able to make something of it in court.Sledog said:
How could he change it? The left didn't think they needed to go this far in '16. They pulled out all the stops this year. Odd every swing state quite counting once Trump was out to a large unexpected lead? All had observer issues, one a fake pipe break, one said counting was over for the night sent observers home but they all kept counting. And during this time is when massive numbers of Biden only votes showed up. Over 100k all for Biden on a few instances. Sound normal? Not to me.creepycoug said:
So the DNC pointed out vulnerability before the election. And, what. Trump waited to lose before expressing concern?Sledog said:Actually dems focused on it and complained about it quite a bit. Elizabeth Warren was one of them. PBS, NYT and several others did articles on vulnerabilities, cheating possibilities.
In person unless disabled with ID on paper ballots. That's what we need.
Would it have been an issue if the outcome were different?
I’m talking about why electronic voting is an issue now. If it is, wasn’t it an issue in 2016? B4? Or are the democrats the only guys who know how to and willing to fuck around with the machines? No dirty Rs out there? Seems implausible. -
He didn't 180 at all, he just wanted Powell not to run and hide.
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Well, we've had many things in our history that didn't work correctly and took time to improve, if not perfect.creepycoug said:
Didn’t listen all the way through for no good reason.doogie said:Tucker does a 180* turn tonight. I wonder what he has seen, do You?
https://youtu.be/-I-fqDf62tI
Honest question. Assuming this isn’t the first time we’ve used electronic voting, why do we now care so much about its vulnerabilities?
I remember hanging chads. I don’t remember this being a big area of focus before.
Kids used to go through windows of cars all the time. We improved the cars and added seatbelts. Then airbags. Then carseats.
You know, to improve known hazards and risks.
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Agree but there has been any evidence dug up in the voting data like there is this time. But we don't know if anyone really examined it. Needs looking into as more than half the country says they don't trust it.creepycoug said:
I’m not jumping into all that. We have different standards for what each of us counts as something he thinks he knows as a fact. I have absolutely no idea about any of that. If it’s there, I assume Trump’s team of lawyers will be able to make something of it in court.Sledog said:
How could he change it? The left didn't think they needed to go this far in '16. They pulled out all the stops this year. Odd every swing state quite counting once Trump was out to a large unexpected lead? All had observer issues, one a fake pipe break, one said counting was over for the night sent observers home but they all kept counting. And during this time is when massive numbers of Biden only votes showed up. Over 100k all for Biden on a few instances. Sound normal? Not to me.creepycoug said:
So the DNC pointed out vulnerability before the election. And, what. Trump waited to lose before expressing concern?Sledog said:Actually dems focused on it and complained about it quite a bit. Elizabeth Warren was one of them. PBS, NYT and several others did articles on vulnerabilities, cheating possibilities.
In person unless disabled with ID on paper ballots. That's what we need.
Would it have been an issue if the outcome were different?
I’m talking about why electronic voting is an issue now. If it is, wasn’t it an issue in 2016? B4? Or are the democrats the only guys who know how to and willing to fuck around with the machines? No dirty Rs out there? Seems implausible. -
Trump tried to bring it up about six months ago. Bannon went public saying the Issue is a guaranteed loser for Trump and that he should stick with his main messages. Trump dropped it like a hot potato and here we are!creepycoug said:
So the DNC pointed out vulnerability before the election. And, what. Trump waited to lose before expressing concern?Sledog said:Actually dems focused on it and complained about it quite a bit. Elizabeth Warren was one of them. PBS, NYT and several others did articles on vulnerabilities, cheating possibilities.
In person unless disabled with ID on paper ballots. That's what we need.
Would it have been an issue if the outcome were different? -
Sure. We're just at a natural "improve society for all of us" inflexion point on electronic voter machines.PurpleThrobber said:
Well, we've had many things in our history that didn't work correctly and took time to improve, if not perfect.creepycoug said:
Didn’t listen all the way through for no good reason.doogie said:Tucker does a 180* turn tonight. I wonder what he has seen, do You?
https://youtu.be/-I-fqDf62tI
Honest question. Assuming this isn’t the first time we’ve used electronic voting, why do we now care so much about its vulnerabilities?
I remember hanging chads. I don’t remember this being a big area of focus before.
Kids used to go through windows of cars all the time. We improved the cars and added seatbelts. Then airbags. Then carseats.
You know, to improve known hazards and risks.
Like I said, I have no idea what went on here or there and to what degree and who it helped. None. I also doubt anyone here does either. Like I said, pay someone well to audit the thing. Absent that, if there was massive voter fraud this time, then I'm going to assume it wasn't the first time, and it wasn't just for this one candidate. -
Yeah, six months ago.doogie said:
Trump tried to bring it up about six months ago. Bannon went public saying the Issue is a guaranteed loser for Trump and that he should stick with his main messages. Trump dropped it like a hot potato and here we are!creepycoug said:
So the DNC pointed out vulnerability before the election. And, what. Trump waited to lose before expressing concern?Sledog said:Actually dems focused on it and complained about it quite a bit. Elizabeth Warren was one of them. PBS, NYT and several others did articles on vulnerabilities, cheating possibilities.
In person unless disabled with ID on paper ballots. That's what we need.
Would it have been an issue if the outcome were different?
Like I said, if we do, in fact, have this issue in our country, then I'll assume until it's established otherwise that it happens in every election and that the cheating goes back and forth. Either that, or the entire political and judicial machinery is just against Trump, which I don't believe. I certainly know people who do. Lots and lots of them. -
Agree with looking into it. Disagree with "this time." Trump has done a lot of good things. But he comes across to me pretty clearly as a guy who will do what he has to do to get from point A to B, regardless of what it is.Sledog said:
Agree but there has been any evidence dug up in the voting data like there is this time. But we don't know if anyone really examined it. Needs looking into as more than half the country says they don't trust it.creepycoug said:
I’m not jumping into all that. We have different standards for what each of us counts as something he thinks he knows as a fact. I have absolutely no idea about any of that. If it’s there, I assume Trump’s team of lawyers will be able to make something of it in court.Sledog said:
How could he change it? The left didn't think they needed to go this far in '16. They pulled out all the stops this year. Odd every swing state quite counting once Trump was out to a large unexpected lead? All had observer issues, one a fake pipe break, one said counting was over for the night sent observers home but they all kept counting. And during this time is when massive numbers of Biden only votes showed up. Over 100k all for Biden on a few instances. Sound normal? Not to me.creepycoug said:
So the DNC pointed out vulnerability before the election. And, what. Trump waited to lose before expressing concern?Sledog said:Actually dems focused on it and complained about it quite a bit. Elizabeth Warren was one of them. PBS, NYT and several others did articles on vulnerabilities, cheating possibilities.
In person unless disabled with ID on paper ballots. That's what we need.
Would it have been an issue if the outcome were different?
I’m talking about why electronic voting is an issue now. If it is, wasn’t it an issue in 2016? B4? Or are the democrats the only guys who know how to and willing to fuck around with the machines? No dirty Rs out there? Seems implausible.
